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Red Cows
03-25-2011, 10:45 PM
The post I just made in the West Regionals thread:

Just saw interviews (paraphrased) with the participants on local Omaha news.

UNO goalie John Faulkner: "I honestly do not know if the puck went in the net or not."

Coach Blais: "I can't comment on that.They ruled it a goal and we aren't going to argue with the call."

Alex Hudson, the player who cleared the puck: "The puck did not cross the goal line and I was in perfect position to see whether it did or not."

gordwiser
03-25-2011, 10:46 PM
The espn3 website has the replay of the entire game still available. After watching the view from down the ice it looks in to me. Suck it up guys. Great season. This was one of the better games we ever played against Michigan. If Matt Ambroz wouldn't have pulled that act of absolute stupidity we would have won it.

You're saying an angled view from 200 feet away showed conclusively the puck all the way over the line... that's ridiculous. Even the spot shadow on a HD close-up of the puck didn't show it completely over the line.

The puck was "probably" over the line isn't the standard. It was called a no goal on the ice, it should have stayed a no goal.

LSSULaker889294
03-25-2011, 10:47 PM
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Red Cows
03-25-2011, 10:51 PM
The espn3 website has the replay of the entire game still available. After watching the view from down the ice it looks in to me. Suck it up guys. Great season. This was one of the better games we ever played against Michigan. If Matt Ambroz wouldn't have pulled that act of absolute stupidity we would have won it.

Jeff, the Ambroz penalty is being overlooked and you are absolutely right.

Besides our complete futility on the power play since the first of the year, and, outside of the ridiculous call to end the game tonight, that is one of the game's other stories.

Maybe the stupidest penalty of the season. BY ONE OF THE CAPTAINS!

Sheesh.

leswp1
03-25-2011, 10:55 PM
You're saying an angled view from 200 feet away showed conclusively the puck all the way over the line... that's ridiculous. Even the spot shadow on a HD close-up of the puck didn't show it completely over the line.

The puck was "probably" over the line isn't the standard. It was called a no goal on the ice, it should have stayed a no goal.Well, now I don't have to type. Even with zoom that angle isn't good enough.

MAVFANJEFF
03-25-2011, 10:59 PM
You're saying an angled view from 200 feet away showed conclusively the puck all the way over the line... that's ridiculous. Even the spot shadow on a HD close-up of the puck didn't show it completely over the line.

The puck was "probably" over the line isn't the standard. It was called a no goal on the ice, it should have stayed a no goal.
I said "it looked in to me". Take a deep breath. I said it LOOKED in. I don't have access to the ''spot shadow" you are talking about so I don't even know what angle it was from.

Red Cows
03-25-2011, 11:21 PM
As pained as I am, this will probably benefit us in the long run. Plus, we have a monster reruiting class coming in. Better days are ahead. If you're one of our recruits, are you chomping at the bit? At minimum, we are going to be really good for the next few years. Matt White is the next the Scott Parse. On a LOT better team.

UMICH
03-26-2011, 02:36 AM
You're saying an angled view from 200 feet away showed conclusively the puck all the way over the line... that's ridiculous. Even the spot shadow on a HD close-up of the puck didn't show it completely over the line.

The puck was "probably" over the line isn't the standard. It was called a no goal on the ice, it should have stayed a no goal.

After a lengthy review it was declared a goal. Game over, end of story. All of the crying in the world will not change the final score.

You can see "white" in between the puck and the blue crease, yes the puck was in. Sucks that it took so long to review but they got it right (isn't that what counts?).

UMICH
03-26-2011, 02:37 AM
The post I just made in the West Regionals thread:

Just saw interviews (paraphrased) with the participants on local Omaha news.

UNO goalie John Faulkner: "I honestly do not know if the puck went in the net or not."

Coach Blais: "I can't comment on that.They ruled it a goal and we aren't going to argue with the call."

Alex Hudson, the player who cleared the puck: "The puck did not cross the goal line and I was in perfect position to see whether it did or not."

What do you expect Hudson to say?

wolverine318
03-26-2011, 08:35 AM
http://img199.imageshack.us/i/goalo.jpg/

There, the puck was in the net. All the way passed the red line.

Good game guys. Blais has your program on the right direction and you will be making noise in the WCHA as long he is in Omaha. I used to hate your program before Blais was hired. I like the hockey UNO plays.

We know how you feel after we got screwed on a replay in Ft. Wayne. If anything this will spur the NCAA to take action to increase the number of camera angles allowed for reviews to insure all evidence of a goal is definitive.

gomavs#1
03-26-2011, 09:54 AM
Two things about the "goal":
1) If it takes 10 minutes to review, aren't we trying to find a way to CALL it a goal, instead of confirming the call on the ice?
2) If it takes four people to look at the replay to determine it was a goal, isn't that the very definition of INCONCLUSIVE?

If this is a regular season non-conference game at Yost and this happens, whatevs. I have no problem. But to take 10 minutes, thereby confirming that there is nothing conclusive about it, and ending an NCAA tournament game on that presumption, that's where I shake my head.

Either way, third place in the WCHA, toughest conference in the country, in our first year, we'll take it.

tj.hendricks
03-26-2011, 04:24 PM
While I do "think" it was a goal. I don't see how you can overrule that call. If the call on the ice was a goal, then I don't see how you could overturn it to say it wasn't. The call on the ice should stand in that situation.

I can't wait for the next season to start. Assuming none of the underclassmen go pro we are returning alot of players and have a good group coming in.

We will have Faulkner returning in the net. I don't know enough aobut Bergman and Taffe to comment on them but I could see incoming freshman Ryan Massa being the primary backup. It's safe to say I like our goalie situation next season.

On defense we should have Young, Aneloski, Sustr, Turgeon, and Ensign back and I believe Brian O'Rourke will be a freshman. I like our DMan that are returning but am a little worried with depth should one of them get injured.

On offense I feel we will be loaded. Losing our top three scorers would usually hurt but I feel we have the talent to step in and replace them. Hudson, Broadhurst, White, Montpetit, Walters, Raubenheimer, and Searfoss should ease the loss of our top three scorers. Simonson, Willert, and Gwidt are also returning. Our incoming class includes Josh Archibald who was a finalist for Minnesota Mr. Hockey, Andrew Schmit, Jayson Megna. I believe Dominic Zombo is also coming.

The future is bright for UNO. While I was depressed at how the season ended, I can't wait for the next one to start.

MAVFANJEFF
03-26-2011, 04:34 PM
CAN WE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STOP WHINING ABOUT THIS CALL??? It's going to be a long embarrasing summer if the crying continues. Ambroz blew the game with his cross check.

LincolnMav
03-27-2011, 12:11 PM
Ugh ok, ive finally moved on. Nice to see support from around the country. Next season cant get here soon enough. GO MAVS!

gomavs#1
03-27-2011, 12:13 PM
MavfanJeff -
Love that we can blame the entire game (nevermind the fact that we were up 2-0) on one guy's mistake. Nevermind the fact that we were 0-7 on the Powerplay. Nice. Good analysis.

Red Cows
03-27-2011, 11:43 PM
What do you expect Hudson to say?

I saw him in an interview tonight and he said, from his perspective, he did not ever see the puck go across the line. He was pretty measured and not real emotional about this in the interview. Stoic, even.

Let me ask you this. What would he have to benefit from by being dishonest about this? I mean, why would he B.S about this? To what purpose?

I will say this much more about it and then let the sleeping dog lie since the call isn't going to change and it's now a part of Mav and UM lore, and, if they win the title (God forbid), even more so in their case.

If the call had been a goal on the ice and they used the same video to say that it was still a goal, then I would not have had a problem with that. Just as there is no way the video definitively shows that it was a goal, neither did it show that it was not. The call on the ice is the total key here. Odd how the only people that think this is absolutely a goal are Michigan fans.

It's worth noting that:

1. The referee never signaled goal (although he was in a bad spot to see it one way, or, the other).

2. The goal judge never ruled goal and turned on the light.

3. Not one thing about Alex Husdon's reaction on the ice would lead you to believe that he thought anything other than what he said. What he did was clear the puck, which is what you or I would have done as well, standing there in the goal crease. If it would have been in, I don't think he would have done any such thing. Note that he never said it didn't go in, either, he just said that he never saw it across the line. I have not heard one UNO player or coach publicly say that is was NOT a goal. I don't think they know, just like anybody else. Hell, Faulkner even said he didn't know!

MAVFANJEFF is partially right. Ambroz bonehead play started the turn of the tide. Stupid, stupid, stupid. What on Earth was he thinking? However, our ineptitude on the power play, and not just in this game but, really, since about the first of the year, is a big part of this as is putting it into cruise control against a good team when you have them down two goals and on their heels. When you have your foot firmly planted on your opponents throat, you don't let up to reset it.

Hopefully, this one burns enough that they don't even allow themselves to get into a situation again where you lose on a fluky play, or get jobbed, or however else you'd like to look at it.

It was a great season, the best in all the years I've been attending UNO hockey games. By far. The future is bright.

UMICH
03-28-2011, 02:51 AM
Just as there is no way the video definitively shows that it was a goal, neither did it show that it was not.


Ahhhh but it was shown young Husker-reject. Open your eyes...:cool:

UMICH
03-28-2011, 02:58 AM
Let's put this to bed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRQLZ29WEVU&feature=player_embedded

You can't argue now. It was IN the net.

*Credit to slurpees for posting this link.

MavRick
03-28-2011, 06:59 AM
I agree with these sentiments:

Michigan was declared the winner of the game. Further discussion is futile.

While the Ambroz penalty was ill-advised, you can't donut the power-play, fail to hit an empty net in overtime, and win a lot of NCAA tournament games. While it may have been a game changer, the championship team the Mavericks are learning to become is capable of changing games back.

I also sense from the OWH that UNO knows it belongs, and the ending of the game left an impression on the underclassmen that will motivate them this summer. Certainly after watching the ND/UNH borefest last night, I have no doubt that UNO is no more than a bounce or two away from the FF. But those bounces require some input from the Mavs: winning the little ones, consistent goaltending and occasionally scoring on the PP.

It was a great season. I enjoy this league a great deal.

bigmrg74
03-28-2011, 11:26 AM
I agree with these sentiments:

Michigan was declared the winner of the game. Further discussion is futile.

While the Ambroz penalty was ill-advised, you can't donut the power-play, fail to hit an empty net in overtime, and win a lot of NCAA tournament games. While it may have been a game changer, the championship team the Mavericks are learning to become is capable of changing games back.

I also sense from the OWH that UNO knows it belongs, and the ending of the game left an impression on the underclassmen that will motivate them this summer. Certainly after watching the ND/UNH borefest last night, I have no doubt that UNO is no more than a bounce or two away from the FF. But those bounces require some input from the Mavs: winning the little ones, consistent goaltending and occasionally scoring on the PP.

It was a great season. I enjoy this league a great deal.The WCHA yes, The Summit, eh, not so much.