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Red Cloud
01-27-2011, 05:40 PM
Steeerike two!

Really? In what sense are Michigan and Michigan Tech in different states?

01-27-2011, 06:13 PM
PWR is Western Biased? :confused:

I can field this one. PWR favors good teams. Western teams are good. So the PWR is therefore Western Biased.

Really? In what sense are Michigan and Michigan Tech in different states?

Yeah... Michigan is in Michigan. Michigan Tech is in a state known as the Yoop.

01-27-2011, 06:29 PM
Really? In what sense are Michigan and Michigan Tech in different states?

Michigan Tech? I thought we were talking about UW-Houghton. :confused:

01-27-2011, 06:57 PM
Really? In what sense are Michigan and Michigan Tech in different states?

They are not even in the same country!

01-27-2011, 07:37 PM
I can field this one. PWR favors good teams. Western teams are good. So the PWR is therefore Western Biased.

Shocker to me. Whenever I hear complaints about the PWR on here, half the time Eastern Bias is claimed, followed by an obligatory sentence about KRACH.

01-27-2011, 07:55 PM
You'll have to excuse "Goon." She is just ******ed off that Yale and other East Coast teams get to watch good hockey teams with out having to live in the ***** crack of the United States.
You need to brush up on your geography...since the ECAC is in fact located out east and NoDak is not...:)

01-28-2011, 08:57 AM
So let's "fix" the PWR so teams who we feel can win in March are in? Heck right now I'd be all for it, as MN would be in the title game every year! Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

I agree with this. Michigan Tech would also be a shoe in for the field. We have barely used any of our alloted wins for this season as we are saving them for March and April. Minn and MTU in the championship? Has happened several times before but I would take it again so we can even our record.

Ryan J

03-26-2011, 09:55 PM
Can I get 10 more neg reps for this??

I was waaaay off. The ECAC provided enhanced
competition. 1-3 with the one win being the top overall seed barely beating Atlantics autobid.

The tournament wouldn't have been more
relevant and competitive with Minnesota, Wisconsin, Boston U and even choking Maine.

Looking forward to the technicalities of the pairwise continuing to include 3, 4, or if we're lucky, 7 ECAC teams...
Slam Dunk!

Get ready to blast me if you want to, ECAC’ers, but rather than take bitter offense, just give me your thoughts:

I have to piggy back what Jim Connelly wrote on the Hockey East blog this week.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m very happy to see Yale’s success and I’m in no way implying that they can’t skate with the other leagues. I’m also glad to see the competition and bar-raising going on in the conference as a whole.

But at this point, if the season ended tomorrow, having 4 ECAC teams in the 16 would be detrimental to the level of competition our sport aspires for. Sure, HEA, WCHA and CCHA seem to take turns putting 4, 5, even as many as 6 teams in the tourney – but if your conference gets ‘more than their share’ of bids, they better, as a whole, put out a level of play backing that up. Those 3 conferences, by and large, do.

By every Frozen Four of recent memory, it’s been easy to forget the ECAC was even involved with their lackluster offerings of competition despite what those participants looked like in the regular season. This year has been a better regular season for the conference as a whole, but I’d like to rest assured that they are actually contributing to the best field of competition we could hope for.

Since expanding the field to 16 teams in 2003, this league has hardly been competitive.
Receiving 16 bids during those 8 years, they have combined for a whopping 6 wins. 4 of those 6 were by Cornell.

That stat means the ECAC has averaged 0.38 wins for every bid they’ve received in the tournament since 2003. Here’s the rest of the leagues for comparison

Hockey East: 1.38 wins per bid
WCHA: 1.20 wins per bid
CCHA: 0.92 wins per bid
ECAC: 0.38 wins per bid

In other words, for every 20 bids Hockey East is getting, they're winning over 27 games, while ECAC teams are winning 7 or 8 given the same 20 bids.

The league has offered dismal post-season competition, and at this point, would make up ¼ of the field. This, while teams like Miami, Boston University and Maine aren’t even given a shot to compete.

Yale’s a shoo-in for me – but, honestly, if you had any combo of the following matchups:

RPI, Union and Dartmouth vs. Miami, Boston University and Maine

I’m not sure you can convince me the ECAC wins 2 out of those 3 games.

03-26-2011, 10:07 PM
I diet of pure cupcakes doesn't really toughen a team up for a game against the WCHA, does it?

03-26-2011, 10:31 PM
They are not even in the same country!

Hey the WHOLE UP is often left off a map, take a look.


04-02-2011, 05:48 PM
The data on the ECAC's NCAA record is interesting and telling. No one in the ECAC would argue that they are equal to the other 3 conferences. That said, we feel we had a good year and are positioned to be more relevant as a group going forward given the depth, and what should be upside at historically good programs like Clksn and SLU. With RPI unfortunately getting blasted, it doesn't help our case. RPI seemed to be a unique situation this year with a team that was quite good 1H and almost abysmal in 2H. Moreover, the ECAC is OFTEN, 2011 excepted, entering teams that are ranked 10-16. They go in as underdogs, head west to play higher seeds and lose (see RPI). In terms of your data of 0.38 wins per bid, I wonder what the wins per bid are for teams that enter as 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, or 16 seeds ? Get that data and compare it to the ECAC on a seed equivalent basis. As for storied programs like MN, BC, ME, there's no doubt it's fun to see them play . . but that also sets up a BCS like debate. And I think others have aptly pointed out ME's dumb losses this year. On RPI, Dartmouth and Union vs Miami, BU and Maine, this year I might bet on 2 wins for the ECAC, granting you Miami over RPI. As for Union and Yale, those teams were perhaps over-ranked, esp Yale, but not by more than 3-4 slots in my view. I watched all the Bridgeport games, and Yale and Union were better than UMD at the start of both games. I have talked to a zillion former college hockey players who were at those games; none are Yale or Union fans, and they all agree with that assessment. And before Western guys jump on me, please note that I have been effusive in praise of UMD, from coaching to execution, to role palyers, to the top line, to goaltending. I doubt it happens, but if UMD takes down ND, perhaps Bridgeport's ECAC disaster will be viewed differently. Without analyzing all the facts and issues in those games, and without taking any credit away from UMD, let's focus on 2 indisputable facts: (1) the MOP was UMDs goalie, (2) UMD scored 5 PP goals in 2 games. Hot goalie + Hot PP = Winner of 2 Day Tourney almost every time at any level. Hats off to UMD and shouldn't be a big blemish for ECAC.