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JCrawford
02-12-2011, 05:47 PM
On another note, cnor pointed out to me last night that the individual team banners were also taken down earlier this season and have not been put up again.

They took the team banners down over the summer before they re-painted the ceiling. My best guess is that they're working on redesigning those, as well, before re-hanging them.

AspyDad
02-12-2011, 05:49 PM
tb, that didn't take long. I knew Hockey East would figure in ur thoughts. Concur.

burgie12
02-12-2011, 07:49 PM
One word ... Feola. Looking forward to the thoughts of tb on the "officiating" today. Last week I speculated about the anti-Appert sentiment that permeates the league office and the individuals they pass off as officials, I offer you today's game as exhibit A. Our great coach and the young men he leads do not deserve this second rate treatment.
I was as upset with the officials as anyone else in the stands after the game. I thought we got screwed on both the Bailen interference call when Merriam was run into and the call against Brutlag. I called "Bull$H!+" at the time of the calls, I booed the refs as they left the ice surface.

But, watching the DVR of overtime and listening to Tim Heiman and Kevin Broad, I am a little more understanding. Bailen did clearly shove the Cornell forward who did not have the puck, which is why he bowled into Merriam. I still don't agree with the call against Brutlag, but there are others who see it differently than I.

To be clear, the refs are not the reason that we took 0 points this weekend. Until this team plays a full 60 minutes, there are going to be let-downs, missed opportunities, and (occasionally) 0-point weekends.

This team is very much still in the hunt for the bye and a spot in the NCAAs. It's just a matter of consistency.

And, I know that this is thinking way too far ahead, but I disagree with you that the loss of Polacek this off-season will be devastating. I am more concerned about the loss of York in two years. But, as I said, that is thinking way too far ahead.

FlagDUDE08
02-12-2011, 07:57 PM
If anyone was wondering, yes, there were towels thrown at the refs. No, mine was not.

After Merriam got run and we got a penalty for it, I hereby recant any nice feelings I once had toward that abomination of a school to the south (and slightly west) of me.

AspyDad
02-12-2011, 08:35 PM
And, I know that this is thinking way too far ahead, but I disagree with you that the loss of Polacek this off-season will be devastating. I am more concerned about the loss of York in two years. But, as I said, that is thinking way too far ahead.

Actually, that was the post of my dear brother troyboy. However, I do agree with him. I would rather not play w/out Allen but Bryce has been more than good in his absence. Chase will be a severe loss just look at the # of GWG this year. His leadership, etc. is huge to this team. Earlier in the year SA talked about how Chase made JDA look so good last year (paraphrase). Well, in light of the developments with JDA this week I think this is true. This team has been resilient and will rebound from this weekend.

AspyDad
02-12-2011, 08:38 PM
If anyone was wondering, yes, there were towels thrown at the refs. No, mine was not.



I would think nothing less of you. While the inadequency of the ECAC officiating should be brought to light, behavior such as throwing towels is uncalled for.

AspyDad
02-12-2011, 08:41 PM
I hereby recant any nice feelings I once had toward that abomination of a school to the south (and slightly west) of me.

Finally ... Thank you.

TimV
02-12-2011, 09:24 PM
After Merriam got run and we got a penalty for it...

Read burgie12's post just before yours. He's right.

olmerd
02-12-2011, 09:25 PM
One word ... Feola. Looking forward to the thoughts of tb on the "officiating" today. Last week I speculated about the anti-Appert sentiment that permeates the league office and the individuals they pass off as officials, I offer you today's game as exhibit A. Our great coach and the young men he leads do not deserve this second rate treatment.

I may be mistaken, but I think Kotyra was the one who made the Brutlag abomination from center ice.

Schafer's school of flopping prevails again. I need to see a replay, since I am obviously a biased person, but the way the player fell, it was an OBVIOUS flop. These guys are six-foot nothing and can take and dish out big hits ...but a little bump at the blue line and its like he was punched in the face (legs go out and arms flail up, etc).

The only reason a bump like that could "affect the play and result in a legitimate scoring chance" is because Schafer teaches his guys to dive and they take the risk of removing themselves from the play when flopping. Iles tried it midway / late through the third, didn't get the call, and it almost bit him. But when it matters most, you can count in Schafer's influence on the referees (reputation-based) to come through in the critical moments of the game. I recall a playoff series two years ago where RPI wins a close game, Schafer complains about the refs, and the amount of penalties on the subsequent night was staggering. When you build your team for the power play, I guess that's what you have to do.

olmerd
02-12-2011, 09:41 PM
And riddle me this Batman, if two teams play a hockey game, and each side has 12 infractions, what is expected ratio of power plays? If you said 2-to-1, you'd be right! Why are there always these "equalizing penalties"? How does one interfere with the goaltender if pushed? Sounds like it should have been a penalty to RPI only. I don't get these guys.

One more point of frustration...can't we get any sort of "homer bias" in our own building? I've jokingly complained about goal judges not lighting the light for RPI or lighting it for the other team in our building. Well tonight, the third period ends. The countdown for overtime starts, ALONG with the Cornell penalty time. People notice it, but only put SOME of the time back on the clock. If twenty seconds of the countdown to overtime have expired, how do you only put 7 seconds (I forget the exact numbers) back on the clock? The refs can't even use common sense with a clock, let along make consistent calls. Did that have any effect on the outcome? Absolutely not.

TimV
02-12-2011, 09:42 PM
Aspydad and olmerd- If you check the ECAC site at http://www.ecachockey.com/men/2010-11/teams?sort=pim&r=1 you will see Cornell at #1 in League PIM with 374 (likely before this weekend's games) and RPI at #4 with 245. How does this square with your feelings about anti-Appert sentiment and Schaefer's supposed influence over the officials?

GRussinko
02-12-2011, 09:50 PM
Aspydad and olmerd- If you check the ECAC site at http://www.ecachockey.com/men/2010-11/teams?sort=pim&r=1 you will see Cornell at #1 in League PIM with 374 (likely before this weekend's games) and RPI at #4 with 245. How does this square with your feelings about anti-Appert sentiment and Schaefer's supposed influence over the officials?

Cornell has had major(s) and/or misconduct(s) in their last 7 games straight. The officials can only let so much slide when guys are taking runs at people and gooning it up every game they play. The 5's and 10's tend to skew the numbers up pretty quick. For example, Cornell's 52 minutes of penalties last night at Union owing to 2 majors, a misconduct, a game misconduct, and a game DQ. I'd be interested to see how the numbers shake out if you took out the majors and misconducts, but don't have the energy to crunch the numbers myself.

AspyDad
02-12-2011, 09:53 PM
Aspydad and olmerd- If you check the ECAC site at http://www.ecachockey.com/men/2010-11/teams?sort=pim&r=1 you will see Cornell at #1 in League PIM with 374 (likely before this weekend's games) and RPI at #4 with 245. How does this square with your feelings about anti-Appert sentiment and Schaefer's supposed influence over the officials?

Hey stat man, go to our game against Harvard at home. I believe there were 12 penalties in that game, 10 on RPI and 2 on Harvard and the 2 on Harvard were a matching penalty and the other was for too many men on the ice (Bryan Hicks BTW). You want to talk about disallowed goals. Listen, you know Mike instructs his guys to dive, you know it and I know it. Olmerd is spot on.

AspyDad
02-12-2011, 09:55 PM
Cornell has had major(s) and/or misconduct(s) in their last 7 games straight. The officials can only let so much slide when guys are taking runs at people and gooning it up every game they play. The 5's and 10's tend to skew the numbers up pretty quick. For example, Cornell's 52 minutes of penalties last night at Union owing to 2 majors, a misconduct, a game misconduct, and a game DQ. I'd be interested to see how the numbers shake out if you took out the majors and misconducts, but don't have the energy to crunch the numbers myself.

Yea... what he he said.

TimV
02-12-2011, 10:04 PM
Ok - so if Cornell leads in PIM it's from Majors and fights, and if they don't, it's because the officials are influenced to call in their favor. Got it. ;)

GRussinko
02-12-2011, 10:16 PM
On a nicer topic - USCHO's "Hobey Watch" has some commentary on Polacek: http://www.uscho.com/hobeywatch/2011/02/12/hobey-top-10-wont-dump-chase/

hawthr
02-12-2011, 10:50 PM
Jason Klump of College Hockey News had the 'audacity' to question Mr.Paul Stewart about the quality of refereeing at the RPI game tonight when he spotted him at the Union game. According to Klump's twitter (@Jason_Klump), Stewart called the game's officiating "excellent," and accused him of "being like Appert" for "using the refs as a crutch." He also reportedly started a one-sided shouting match about it.

Ladies and gentlemen, the head of the ECAC refereeing. What a quality, stand up man. And you wonder why we get hosed on calls.

sk8tronthepond
02-12-2011, 10:57 PM
While the inadequency of the ECAC officiating should be brought to light, behavior such as throwing towels is uncalled for.

I really didn't think the officials did a terrible job this afternoon.......I thought they were consistent with their calls. As far as throwing towels.....better than throwing something substantial.

sk8tronthepond
02-12-2011, 11:00 PM
Jason Klump of College Hockey News had the 'audacity' to question Mr.Paul Stewart about the quality of refereeing at the RPI game tonight when he spotted him at the Union game. According to Klump's twitter (@Jason_Klump), Stewart called the game's officiating "excellent," and accused him of "being like Appert" for "using the refs as a crutch." He also reportedly started a one-sided shouting match about it.

Ladies and gentlemen, the head of the ECAC refereeing. What a quality, stand up man. And you wonder why we get hosed on calls.

Klump is injecting his opinion into this and I can tell you that Stewart never "accused" Klump of being like Appert. Think about it. Your opinion you are entitled to, however, do not spin the facts.

Dutchfan
02-12-2011, 11:52 PM
More about the Stewart/Klump incident: https://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/schott/2011/feb/12/union-colgate-postgame-report-with-video/