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HoosierBBall_GopherHockey
01-25-2011, 05:27 PM
Geezus I have been to Nashville multiple times, I hate country music, and I have no problem enjoying the city. Really, lots of the bars there play lots of great stuff other than country music. The bars (restaurants too) are within a 30 second walk of the arena, the women here are not bad at all (I happen to find southern accents **** as well), and the weather here will be in the 60s-70s by the time late March-early April rolls around. If you are a history buff, you have loads of Civil War battlefields nearby, not to mention the Hermitage (Andrew Jackson's home). The Nashville Zoo is decent, and who knows, the Nashville Sounds (AAA baseball team, Brewers affiliate) may be playing their beginning games of the season. Certainly not as cool as catching a Cardinals game in St. louis, but not bad. Don't forget the Opryland megamall/hotel, and the Ryman Auditorium might be putting on a show during that time. All in all, Nashville certainly provides enough entertainment for a week vacation or less.

Onion Man, I hope Brown makes the Frozen Four in 2015 if Nashville hosts so that you stay home.

Slasher7
01-26-2011, 08:04 AM
Isn't there a better place than Nashville? Nothing against the city, I've been there and it's a blah type of city. There are bars, etc, but there are bars in Allston/Brighton, too. If they want to put it in a southern-type locale, they should look at Dallas before they look at Nashville. Of course I'd love it if they considered San Jose, too. I just think they can do much better than Nashville.

Personally, I like working a baseball game into the FF trip. Went to Cubs opening day (and Brewers game) in 06, Cards in 07, Rockies in 08, Orioles in 09 and Tigers in 10.

kdilks
01-26-2011, 10:16 AM
Isn't there a better place than Nashville? Nothing against the city, I've been there and it's a blah type of city. There are bars, etc, but there are bars in Allston/Brighton, too. If they want to put it in a southern-type locale, they should look at Dallas before they look at Nashville. Of course I'd love it if they considered San Jose, too. I just think they can do much better than Nashville.

Personally, I like working a baseball game into the FF trip. Went to Cubs opening day (and Brewers game) in 06, Cards in 07, Rockies in 08, Orioles in 09 and Tigers in 10.

This isn't the NCAA trying to force a Southern location. This is Nashville actively soliciting a bid.

davyd83
01-26-2011, 10:25 AM
The bottom line is, it doesn't matter where you put it, some groups will find some reason to complain about it.

jen
01-26-2011, 02:00 PM
Nashville's scale is perfect for a FF. There is a multitude of establishments for whatever "ales" you within a three minute walk of the arena. There are sufficient hotels. There are activities for an off day. There is nightlife. It would be a big deal in the city. Kind of on the scale of an Albany, Providence and the tournaments so many said they enjoyed in the past.

I would rather go to Nashville than some of the places it has been held at recently.

I completely agree. If the city is too big, the tournament is overshadowed - I prefer it in smaller cities. I think Nashville would be great. Never been there.

Russell Jaslow
01-26-2011, 02:31 PM
The Frozen Four is now a contractual sellout (16,000+) no matter where you host it - it doesn't matter if the locals come out or not since most tickets are pre-sold to die hard travelling fans from around the country.

Well, in that case, let's bring it back to Cincinnati... :eek:

{ducks}

Russell Jaslow
01-26-2011, 02:40 PM
And in addition to the factors that pgb mentioned, of course thereís the factor of which teams are playing, which is the wild card that prevents a laboratory-type experiment that truly tests the effect of the location. The worst atmosphere of the FFís that Iíve attended was Columbus, which is a college hockey town, and the poor attendance had little to do with the quality of Columbus as a FF host and a lot to do with the teams that were there.

That's because it was a WCHA Do-Over Tournament. :mad:

Seriously, though, I tried to sell my ticket, something I never would have done prior or since, to get out of going for those reasons (I did once bail when it was in Boston because I had a last minute opportunity to go to Paris dirt cheap). I had no enthusiasm whatsoever to watch a WCHA Do-Over Tournament masquerading as the national championship. Couldn't sell it, so I ended up going. Our group did eat a lot of other tickets that year.


Some people mention New York, but I canít see MSG putting together a bid,

I thought MSG did put in a bid once? Or did they decide not to at the last minute? I know they talked about it a lot.


Boston seems incapable of putting together a credible bid.

That's because the NCAA is still p*ss*d off at Boston because of what happened the last time they hosted.

One of my favorite cities, and others have mentioned this, was Providence. Had a ton of fun, fantastic atmosphere in the rink, and the town really embraced us and the event. But alas, the arena is now too small.

Puck Swami
01-26-2011, 03:29 PM
Seriously, though, I tried to sell my ticket, something I never would have done prior or since, to get out of going for those reasons (I did once bail when it was in Boston because I had a last minute opportunity to go to Paris dirt cheap). I had no enthusiasm whatsoever to watch a WCHA Do-Over Tournament masquerading as the national championship.

So you are saying that the only Frozen Fours worth watching are those with Eastern teams in it? As a fan of the winning team that year, I saw no masqerade, and every Denver player will tell you that that National Championship probably meant a little bit more to them becuase they had to beat their two top rivals in the Frozen Four in order to win the big trophy. DU played CC 6 times that year, and North Dakota four times, so they both knew us pretty well. Every fan is entitled to their opinion, but it would be great for the sport if people could put aside regional biases and go on to cheer on the teams that do make it to the Frozen Four, even when they aren't your favorites...

In short, the four teams that do make it had to beat some good teams to get there, and it certainly doesn't cheapen the tournament, or make it into a masquerade. Those teams deserve your support, not your derision.

state of hockey
01-26-2011, 03:40 PM
In short, the four teams that do make it had to beat some good teams to get there, and it certainly doesn't cheapen the tournament, or make it into a masquerade. Those teams deserve your support, not your derision.

No kidding. Never realized that the teams that made it didn't have to beat teams from other regions to get there. It was still the national tournament. What a weak argument.

Russell Jaslow
01-26-2011, 04:09 PM
So you are saying that the only Frozen Fours worth watching are those with Eastern teams in it? As a fan of the winning team that year, I saw no masqerade, and every Denver player will tell you that that National Championship probably meant a little bit more to them becuase they had to beat their two top rivals in the Frozen Four in order to win the big trophy. DU played CC 6 times that year, and North Dakota four times, so they both knew us pretty well. Every fan is entitled to their opinion, but it would be great for the sport if people could put aside regional biases and go on to cheer on the teams that do make it to the Frozen Four, even when they aren't your favorites...

In short, the four teams that do make it had to beat some good teams to get there, and it certainly doesn't cheapen the tournament, or make it into a masquerade. Those teams deserve your support, not your derision.

Not at all. If they were all ECAC teams or all Hockey East teams, I would have felt the same way. I have little desire to see a conference do-over tournament.

Yes, the fact that they are the four best teams (as proven by the playoff results) cannot be argued. But I would argue I don't always look for that in a national tournament. The two best teams don't always make the Super Bowl because they may be in the same conference. And that doesn't bother me a bit. I want a NATIONAL tournament. Not a conference do-over tournament.

(BTW, the first Frozen Four I went to was the first one in Albany with all Western teams. Had no problem with it. Great tournament. Happened to be rooting for LSSU as it turned out. It has nothing to do with regional bias. I can even put up with the finals consisting of the same conference. Happens a lot, and does tend to produce amazing games because of the rivalries. It has to do with watching a conference do-over tournament.)

(BTW2, this has NOTHING to do with how the players feel. They are going to feel great winning the title no matter who they play. As well they should. This has to do with how I feel since I am the one buying the ticket.)

Puck Swami
01-26-2011, 04:21 PM
Not at all. If they were all ECAC teams or all Hockey East teams, I would have felt the same way. I have little desire to see a conference do-over tournament.

Yes, the fact that they are the four best teams (as proven by the playoff results) cannot be argued. But I would argue I don't always look for that in a national tournament. The two best teams don't always make the Super Bowl because they may be in the same conference. And that doesn't bother me a bit. I want a NATIONAL tournament. Not a conference do-over tournament.

(BTW, the first Frozen Four I went to was the first one in Albany with all Western teams. Had no problem with it. Great tournament. Happened to be rooting for LSSU as it turned out. It has nothing to do with regional bias. I can even put up with the finals consisting of the same conference. Happens a lot, and does tend to produce amazing games because of the rivalries. It has to do with watching a conference do-over tournament.)

(BTW2, this has NOTHING to do with how the players feel. They are going to feel great winning the title no matter who they play. As well they should. This has to do with how I feel since I am the one buying the ticket.)


Okay, now I get your point of view and glad to hear its not a regional bias, but a reaction against repeat conference tourney matchups. I see your point, but I differ a little bit in thinking that it's not really a do-over, but an emergence of the most deserving teams on the biggest stage. I also love seeing my team play teams that they don't normally play, and I also want a national tounrnament with bracket integrity. I hated the 2001-2002 post-9/11 'regionalization' mandate where eastern teams stayed east and western teams stayed west in the regionals.

Onion Man
01-26-2011, 07:06 PM
This sport should embrace the areas of the country that embrace it for the Frozen Four. Putting it in yahoo-towns like Nashville is pointless. Boston, Denver, St. Paul, Detroit, and Milwaukee should be the only towns that host this event. The southern rednecks can have NASCAR, we can have college hockey. Let's just keep it that way.

state of hockey
01-26-2011, 07:21 PM
I'd much rather go to Nashville than Detroit.

I'll be honest though, I mostly want this to happen to witness your hissy when it does.

bigmrg74
01-26-2011, 07:26 PM
This sport should embrace the areas of the country that embrace it for the Frozen Four. Putting it in yahoo-towns like Nashville is pointless. Boston, Denver, St. Paul, Detroit, and Milwaukee should be the only towns that host this event. The southern rednecks can have NASCAR, we can have college hockey. Let's just keep it that way.You're a real bastion of open-mindedness ain't you??

bigblue_dl
01-26-2011, 07:45 PM
I like going to different and interesting places for the frozen 4, it would get boring if it rotated between the same 5 cities all the time. Give me 5 regulars with new places mixed in every other year.

darker98
01-26-2011, 08:01 PM
Why does it matter? If Nashville put in a bid and if they win they took the chance. If it sucks there then they won't do it again. As long as the game is being played is all that matters to me.

gfmorris
01-27-2011, 12:08 AM
This sport should embrace the areas of the country that embrace it for the Frozen Four. Putting it in yahoo-towns like Nashville is pointless. Boston, Denver, St. Paul, Detroit, and Milwaukee should be the only towns that host this event. The southern rednecks can have NASCAR, we can have college hockey. Let's just keep it that way.

Hm. Two NASCAR Sprint Cup Races take place in SE Michigan every year. NASCAR happens yearly at lower levels in Milwaukee. There's regularly races at lower levels throughout the Midwest. NASCAR goes to the following locations once a year: the Poconos in Pennsylvania, Dover in Delaware, Watkins Glen in upstate NY, and, oh, New Hampshire. Meanwhile, there are as many races in Phoenix, AZ as there are in Talladega, AL.

I know, never let facts get in the way of a good rant. For the record, I had to look this up on Wikipedia, because while I've lived in Mississippi and then Alabama since 1991, I really don't give a **** about NASCAR.

GFM

gfmorris
01-27-2011, 12:09 AM
Why does it matter? If Nashville put in a bid and if they win they took the chance. If it sucks there then they won't do it again. As long as the game is being played is all that matters to me.

It could be worse. You could have two teams from a defunct-at-the-end-of-the-year conference make the postseason.

GFM

darker98
01-27-2011, 12:41 AM
It could be worse. You could have two teams from a defunct-at-the-end-of-the-year conference make the postseason.

GFM

That would never happen. :D

Puck Swami
01-27-2011, 12:46 AM
This sport should embrace the areas of the country that embrace it for the Frozen Four. Putting it in yahoo-towns like Nashville is pointless. Boston, Denver, St. Paul, Detroit, and Milwaukee should be the only towns that host this event. The southern rednecks can have NASCAR, we can have college hockey. Let's just keep it that way.

Provincialism has always hurt our sport. I like traditional places too, but I believe that occasionally hosting it in new places creates exposure for our game and brings new fun for our travelling fanbases.