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Onion Man
01-25-2011, 06:41 AM
It was also a conference tournament rehash. The WCHA fans were justly proud of their league's accomplishments that year. But the 2005 tournament lacked the East/West match-ups that many FF regulars prefer.

The venue?:confused: The Downtown DC arena was just fine, but I don't remember the facility as being especially noteworthy. In a comparison with the Schottenstein Center, I'd say you'd have a wash. Both could be described as NHL quality rinks, both probably in the middle of the pack.

Contrary to your dopey dismissal of the underdogs, their very presence enhanced the tournament's atmosphere. Fans love David vs. Goliath match-ups. And powerhouses or not, the programs you're putting down each traveled well. No one fanbase took over the arena. So it was a truly neutral site, with all parties well represented -- a major part of DC's success. Coupled with the strong turnout of neutral fans, DC was indeed one of the better Frozen Fours.

Despite the gratuitous hostility this post, there is an intelligent thought worth rescuing here. It's clear that the turnout rate among Frozen Four regulars varies considerably, depending on the perceived tourist value of the host city. For better or worse, the NCAA should take this factor into account when selecting sites.

I'll admit to being a little bit baffled by this. I've never had a bad time at a Frozen Four, not even in Providence.:p As far as I'm concerned, there was a good four day weekend to be had at any of the sites. If you're combining the FF with a longer vacation, sure -- there are definite advantages to sites like DC & Denver. Personally, my FF trip is usually limited to Wednesday evening through Sunday morning, so the tourist factor isn't all that important to me. But for the larger group, it does matter.

How does all of this apply to Nashville? I'm keeping an open mind. In comparison to the other sunbelt sites, it's closer to college hockey's home base than either Anaheim or Tampa. That's a plus. Many CCHA fans would be able to drive and would likely be interested in the option. But the tourist value to FF regulars is lower than either Anaheim or Tampa, and that must also be part of the calculus.

As I've previously posted, the tie-breaker in all of this is the willingness of the local community to support the event. For a negative example, consider Cincy in 1996. There was virtually no local support, and hence many sections of empty seats. Nashville in 2015, as an NHL city with a nice rink, might be a different story. But it's not a lock.

Sorry, having the FF in Oohi was terrible. Haviing it on a college campus was a good idea, I guess, but the event sucked. Compared to all the others, the Oohi FF was the absolute bottom as far as it being enjoyable. The only saving part of it for me was the actual games. Providence was great. If you didn't have fun at the 2000 FF, you weren't trying. I hope they don't go to Nashville.

UML
01-25-2011, 08:21 AM
Nashville would suck. This might sound stoopid but why don't we have the Frozen Four in a city where people actually like hockey?

pirate
01-25-2011, 09:20 AM
They said that about having it out in los Angeles years ago and there are several kids playing D1 from California now...direct cause and effect, maybe not but if you are trying to promote the sport, go to a place where your hardcore people will go anyway, and try to generate some incremental awareness and support.

They have had a youth hockey league in Nashville since 1965 and if I read it correctly, one of the recent co-captains at Wisconsin, and a Hobey Baker nominee, Blake Geoffrion, played 10 years of youth hockey in Nashville. Granted, it was in his blood, but there must be something going on down there...as I mentioned, we happened to be there the night of a Nashville game and it sure looked like there were plenty of hockey fans...maybe the unique situation would actually get more locals to the game vs in a hockey saturated location.

Slasher7
01-25-2011, 09:22 AM
They said that about having it out in los Angeles years ago and there are several kids playing D1 from California now...direct cause and effect, maybe not but if you are trying to promote the sport, go to a place where your hardcore people will go anyway, and try to generate some incremental awareness and support.

They have had a youth hockey league in Nashville since 1965 and if I read it correctly, one of the recent co-captains at Wisconsin, and a Hobey Baker nominee, Blake Geoffrion, played 10 years of youth hockey in Nashville. Granted, it was in his blood, but there must be something going on down there...as I mentioned, we happened to be there the night of a Nashville game and it sure looked like there were plenty of hockey fans...maybe the unique situation would actually get more locals to the game vs in a hockey saturated location.

I hardly think the genesis of today's California D-1 prospects is directly linked to Anaheim 1999. I think its more due to the fact that San Jose, Anaheim, and Los Angeles have had some success in the NHL, but anything helps I guess.

pirate
01-25-2011, 09:42 AM
I hardly think the genesis of today's California D-1 prospects is directly linked to Anaheim 1999. I think its more due to the fact that San Jose, Anaheim, and Los Angeles have had some success in the NHL, but anything helps I guess.


Perhaps I should have noted in my post that there likely isn't a direct cause and effect.

bigmrg74
01-25-2011, 11:42 AM
Sorry, having the FF in Oohi was terrible. Haviing it on a college campus was a good idea, I guess, but the event sucked. Compared to all the others, the Oohi FF was the absolute bottom as far as it being enjoyable. The only saving part of it for me was the actual games. Providence was great. If you didn't have fun at the 2000 FF, you weren't trying. I hope they don't go to Nashville.
So you're already deciding that you wouldn't have fun at a frozen four in Nashville? That's a great attitude to have. :rolleyes:

bigmrg74
01-25-2011, 11:48 AM
Nashville would suck. This might sound stoopid but why don't we have the Frozen Four in a city where people actually like hockey?

You guys make it out to be like Qatar there. There's plenty of stuff to do in Nashville, there's plenty of bars there, and other assorted activities to do to keep one entertained when there's no hockey. If you can't have fun at any frozen four, then you're not trying.

gfmorris
01-25-2011, 11:49 AM
They have had a youth hockey league in Nashville since 1965 and if I read it correctly, one of the recent co-captains at Wisconsin, and a Hobey Baker nominee, Blake Geoffrion, played 10 years of youth hockey in Nashville. Granted, it was in his blood, but there must be something going on down there...as I mentioned, we happened to be there the night of a Nashville game and it sure looked like there were plenty of hockey fans...maybe the unique situation would actually get more locals to the game vs in a hockey saturated location.

Two of Blake's younger brothers are now at UAH. There's decent youth stuff in the mid-South [Nashville, Huntsville, Knoxville, Atlanta], and kids from around here are getting chances to play in the USHL and NAHL. Sebastian Geoffrion played in the USHL for Indiana, and Brice was on the Motor City team in the NAHL.

"To the game and getting out of this hick town! Thank God there is a sport for middle-sized white boys."

GFM

pgb-ohio
01-25-2011, 12:10 PM
Sorry, having the FF in Oohi was terrible. Haviing it on a college campus was a good idea, I guess, but the event sucked. Compared to all the others, the Oohi FF was the absolute bottom as far as it being enjoyable. The only saving part of it for me was the actual games. Providence was great. If you didn't have fun at the 2000 FF, you weren't trying.Sigh. You might try reading the thread. Just a few posts ago I acknowledged that Providence FFs are a good time.

The main problem in Providence, of course, is the venue. It's no longer up to FF standards. If the arena is ever upgraded or replaced, I'd be fine with going back.

I will say that Providence itself isn't that much of tourist center. On the off days, we used it a launching pad to do things in other parts of New England. For someone from Providence to take a "holier than thou" stance on the tourist issue is actually kind of funny. But again, for hosting hockey tournaments and postgame celebrations, Providence is just fine.

As for Columbus, right back at you: If you didn't fun at the 2005 FF, you weren't trying. Prior to the tournament, Brewmaster organized a Visitors Guide on USCHO. Included were restaurants and other options in every price range. That wasn't the only place to get such information, but Brewmaster made it awfully easy. Also, if you play hockey -- at all -- you would have found that the Posters' Game was a very good time.

Instead, it's obvious you came to town with a bias and a chip on your shoulder. When someone is that determined to have a lousy time, of course they will succeed.


I hope they don't go to Nashville.You've made that rather clear.:D But if the NCAA goes ahead and chooses Nashville, please stay home and save your money. There's no sense spending even a penny when you've pre-determined that you'll have a bad time.

pirate
01-25-2011, 12:20 PM
So you're already deciding that you wouldn't have fun at a frozen four in Nashville? That's a great attitude to have. :rolleyes:

Beer, music (all kinds), friendly people, decent weather, a fairly new arena, good food, seems safe, Smoky Mountains, pretty girls and affordable hotels. Plus, a good multi-level laser tag place down town...who doesn't like laser tag?

edit: and the Predators get between 14-16k per game...not the Flyers but pretty decent for a non-hockey town.

I'm not on the chamber of commerce, we went there for a different national sporting event and had low expectations, turned out to be far better than expected...I haven't heard anyone say they have been to Nashville and still think it would be a bad idea to have the frozen 4 there

Puck Swami
01-25-2011, 01:20 PM
I hardly think the genesis of today's California D-1 prospects is directly linked to Anaheim 1999. I think its more due to the fact that San Jose, Anaheim, and Los Angeles have had some success in the NHL, but anything helps I guess.

Wayne Gretzky trade in 1988 opened up California to mass hockey appeal.

bigblue_dl
01-25-2011, 02:15 PM
Where is Oohi? Is that Hawaii? because I'm completely fine with a Hawaii Frozen 4. Lets put up some bleachers and move some portable ice to a black sand beach.

pgb-ohio
01-25-2011, 03:11 PM
Where is Oohi? Is that Hawaii? because I'm completely fine with a Hawaii Frozen 4. Lets put up some bleachers and move some portable ice to a black sand beach.:D Love it. Bring it on!

The Freds
01-25-2011, 03:18 PM
Nashville's scale is perfect for a FF. There is a multitude of establishments for whatever "ales" you within a three minute walk of the arena. There are sufficient hotels. There are activities for an off day. There is nightlife. It would be a big deal in the city. Kind of on the scale of an Albany, Providence and the tournaments so many said they enjoyed in the past.

I would rather go to Nashville than some of the places it has been held at recently.

davyd83
01-25-2011, 03:25 PM
Folks always seem to want a venue where there are lots of hotels and dining and partying opportunities. Thrown in a nice arena, decent weather and a very walkable town. There's even an NHL team there and flights and transportation are not a big issue. Just what is there in Nashville to complain about?

bigblue_dl
01-25-2011, 03:38 PM
Folks always seem to want a venue where there are lots of hotels and dining and partying opportunities. Thrown in a nice arena, decent weather and a very walkable town. There's even an NHL team there and flights and transportation are not a big issue. Just what is there in Nashville to complain about?
People are afraid that they will be stuck in a deluge of country music. They think that they will come home with snuff spit on their hockey jerseys and cow **** on their shoes. They're worried that the locals will go deliverance on the obvious tourists walking around in hockey jerseys.

In other words, its all nonsensical BS.

goldy_331
01-25-2011, 04:00 PM
People are afraid that they will be stuck in a deluge of country music. They think that they will come home with snuff spit on their hockey jerseys and cow **** on their shoes. They're worried that the locals will go deliverance on the obvious tourists walking around in hockey jerseys.

Well shoot, I guess they'll avoid Grand Forks then too.

bigblue_dl
01-25-2011, 04:02 PM
Well shoot, I guess they'll avoid Grand Forks then too.
and Omaha

Dirty Bottles
01-25-2011, 04:03 PM
I would love it if Nashville hosted the frozen 4. I've been to Nashville twice, once with some buddies to take in a Titans game and the second time with the wife. I had a great time both times. If my wife, who HATES (and I mean hates) all things country music can have a good time in Nashville, anyone can.

I think their downtown area would be ideal - lots of bars, restaurants and shops. Throw in some college hockey...life would be good.

UML
01-25-2011, 05:24 PM
If Nashville has good pubs and restaurants then I'll be able to have a good time.