Yale: Cheating their way to #1?

[ADK11]

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Let me see if I understand your position. A player flunks out of school, but has the right to come back at a later point. He goes to the coach and says: "I've messed up, but I'd really like to come back to the team when I get my act together and return to school. Plus, I'd like to play hockey while I'm out but I want to make sure I don't mess up my eligibility." So your position is that the coach should say "I can't talk to you. Get out of my office."

I get your point and maybe it's a lot more innocent than I'm speculating. But it still just seems like a slippery slope where Yale is guiding a player NOT in school or on the team to play for an outside team where he might get better and help Yale down the road. Who's to say you couldn't do this with a player who is not having academic problems and stockpile a good player, or improve a marginal one, for a future season?

I'm probably getting too paranoid (maybe I'll get a job with the NCAA ). Bottom line is it looks like Yale & Allain did not break any rules (assuming there were no pros in the league), and it would be a shame if all of Yale's players were penalized for a screw-up by one.

[LTsatch]

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From New Haven Register Reporter Chip Malafronte on his blog

Yale's statement
Short and to the point...here's the statement from Yale regarding Chris Cahill.

"Yale University Athletics Director Tom Beckett confirms that every standard pertaining to the collegiate eligibility of Chris Cahill has been met to the satisfaction of the Yale and Ivy League compliance staffs. Chris Cahill remains eligible to compete in all Yale hockey games."

I'm working on a story now, and will post some more information soon.

[Runninwiththedogs]

Re: Yale: Cheating their way to #1?

From New Haven Register Reporter Chip Malafronte on his blog

Yale's statement
Short and to the point...here's the statement from Yale regarding Chris Cahill.

"Yale University Athletics Director Tom Beckett confirms that every standard pertaining to the collegiate eligibility of Chris Cahill has been met to the satisfaction of the Yale and Ivy League compliance staffs. Chris Cahill remains eligible to compete in all Yale hockey games."

I'm working on a story now, and will post some more information soon.

No mention of NCAA compliance.

[goblue78]

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..But it still just seems like a slippery slope where Yale is guiding a player NOT in school or on the team to play for an outside team where he might get better and help Yale down the road. Who's to say you couldn't do this with a player who is not having academic problems and stockpile a good player, or improve a marginal one, for a future season?

OK, I see your point as well. But there are certainly plenty of cases like this... but in unambiguously nonprofessional situations. Yale often sends players to prep school years to get their grades up so that they can get past admissions. It happens more in football than hockey, to the best of my knowledge (though with Yale's success, it may happen a lot more in hockey in the future.) As an example, the Portal 13 Blog on Yale football notes in listing the new football recruits for next year: "Another new name is Choate running back Kahlil Keys although I am not sure 'new' is the proper word since Keys was recruited by Yale last year and encouraged to spend a season at Choate." Now of course the player who takes a prep school year doesn't HAVE to go to Yale when he finishes that year, but it surely doesn't mean that the Yale coaching staff can't, or shouldn't, give advice. Similarly, Cahill was certainly under no obligation to come back to Yale.

[Puck Swami]

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Many college programs "park" players in junior hockey for additional season (s) when development isn't happening fast enough to make the varsity, or the college team has a glut of players in particular roles or position. Sending the kid to Europe is no different. IMHO.

[The Exiled One]

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St. Cloud had a recruit (Luca Сunti) who was deemed ineligible after playing 18 games (unpaid) in the Swiss B league. I'm not sure how similar the French and Swiss B leagues are in the NCAA's view.

[mookie1995]

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St. Cloud had a recruit (Luca Сunti) who was deemed ineligible after playing 18 games (unpaid) in the Swiss B league. I'm not sure how similar the French and Swiss B leagues are in the NCAA's view.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/league...hp?leagueid=27

this 2 league in france doesn't have a link here... seems almost every professional league has a link here.

[ADK11]

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Many college programs "park" players in junior hockey for additional season (s) when development isn't happening fast enough to make the varsity, or the college team has a glut of players in particular roles or position. Sending the kid to Europe is no different. IMHO.

I understand that practically every D-1 school does this with recruits (Union is certainly no exception), but does it really happen much after a player matriculates? I haven't seen it much in the ECAC, though maybe I just wasn't paying enough attention.

[LTsatch]

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From the New haven Register website, I hope this puts this thing to bed.

YALE HOCKEY: School refutes eligibility questions about Cahill

Published: Monday, January 10, 2011


By Chip Malafronte, Register Staff
cmalafronte@nhregister.com

An Internet report questioning the eligibility of a senior forward on the Yale men’s hockey team raised concerns about whether the top-ranked Bulldogs might be in hot water with the NCAA.

The website “Hockeybuzz.com” alleged Chris Cahill played on a team with professionals last winter in France, which would make him ineligible for NCAA competition and result in Yale possibly forfeiting all games in which he participated. Cahill, currently the team’s fifth-leading scorer with nine goals and nine assists, was not enrolled at Yale last year.

Yale issued a statement on Monday refuting the report.

“Yale University Athletics Director Tom Beckett confirms that every standard pertaining to the collegiate eligibility of Chris Cahill has been met to the satisfaction of the Yale and Ivy League compliance staffs. Chris Cahill remains eligible to compete in all Yale hockey games.”

Academic issues forced Cahill to take a year off from Yale following his junior season in 2008-09. Intending to return this year and play hockey for the Bulldogs, he played in 18 games for Reims, a club team in the French Hockey Federation.

Beckett told the Register that Yale coach Keith Allain worked with the Ivy League and Yale’s NCAA compliance officers to ensure Cahill would retain his college eligibility.

Some players received living expenses necessary for participation on the team, which is permitted in NCAA bylaws. But Yale has written verification from team officials that no players drew a salary.

“It was approved prior to Chris being involved with the team. It wasn’t after the fact,” Beckett said. “Chris’s family was very concerned about doing what was right. This is a process that took months.”

Beckett said he has no concerns that the NCAA will launch an investigation.

“The burden of proof, every standard, all of those issues have been met; the Ivy office signed off on it at the very beginning,” Beckett said. Continued...


Concerns over Cahill’s eligibility began as an anonymous letter, which was recently issued to coaches and athletic directors around the ECAC Hockey league urging those administrators to look into the Cahill matter. According to sources, one school made a formal inquiry Friday. Yale held Cahill out of the lineup for its game at Dartmouth to allow the matter to be resolved.

The situation was cleared Saturday, and Cahill was back in the lineup that night at Harvard. He scored a goal in the Bulldogs’ victory.

STILL NO. 1

Yale remained No. 1 in both national polls released Monday, extending its stay at the top to six straight weeks. Its nine-game win streak is the longest in the country, though North Dakota is unbeaten over its last nine games (8-0-1).

[Runninwiththedogs]

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They have NEVER said they met NCAA requirements. Only Yale and Ivy League requirements.

[Dirty]

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And silly reporting, UND is undefeated over their last 10 games.

[licwinko]

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They have NEVER said they met NCAA requirements. Only Yale and Ivy League requirements.

Did you get to school on a short bus?

[Runninwiththedogs]

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Did you get to school on a short bus?

1,000 monkeys typing on 1,000 typewriters, and this is what they come up with?

[Dirty]

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1,000 monkeys typing on 1,000 typewriters, and this is what they come up with?

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[licwinko]

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1,000 monkeys typing on 1,000 typewriters, and this is what they come up with?

That may actually explain the anonymous letter all the ECAC coaches received.