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PrezdeJohnson09
01-02-2011, 11:23 PM
I'm 99.8 percent sure there are no ballots this week...
But...

Just for fun...this is what I came up with.

1.St. Norbert
2.Williams
3.Oswego
4.Bowdoin
5.Manhattanville
6.Gustavus Adolphus
7.Norwich
8.Geneseo
9.Hamline
10.Adrian
11.MSOE
12.Castleton
13.Utica
14.St. Thomas
15.Plattsburgh

Manhattanville is in fifth place in the ECAC West and should be around 5th in the country....

Russell Jaslow
01-03-2011, 11:56 AM
I'm 99.8 percent sure there are no ballots this week...

In which case you would be 99.8% incorrect.

PrezdeJohnson09
01-03-2011, 12:31 PM
In which case you would be 99.8% incorrect.

Thanks Russell :)

Birdwatcher
01-03-2011, 02:35 PM
The D1 poll is up now. I would expect the D3 poll should be following shortly.

PrezdeJohnson09
01-03-2011, 02:41 PM
The D1 poll is up now. I would expect the D3 poll should be following shortly.

Yup. The deadline was 2 p.m. I'd expect to see something within the next 30 minutes.

PrezdeJohnson09
01-03-2011, 02:53 PM
12 minutes later...here we are:



USCHO.com Division III Men's Poll
Minneapolis, Minn./January 3, 2011

Team (First Place) Record Pts Last Week
1 St. Norbert (12) 11-2-0 291 2
2 Oswego ( 5) 13-2-0 272 1
3 Williams ( 3) 7-0-1 271 3
4 Bowdoin 6-1-0 224 5
5 Gustavus Adolphus 9-3-1 189 6
6 Manhattanville 10-3-1 183 10
7 Norwich 6-3-1 175 4
8 Geneseo 8-3-2 149 8
9 Adrian 9-3-0 118 7
10 Hamline 7-3-1 101 12
11 Milwaukee School of Engineering 9-2-0 95 9
12 Castleton 8-2-0 72 14
13 Utica 9-4-0 70 12
14 Neumann 7-4-2 50 11
15 Hobart 7-3-1 36 NR

Others Receiving Votes: Plattsburgh 32, St. Thomas 23,
Wisconsin-Superior 15, Wisconsin-Stout 12,
Wisconsin-Eau Claire 10, Plymouth State 4, Amherst 3,
Curry 2, Massachusetts-Dartmouth 2, Hamilton 1

The USCHO.com Poll is compiled weekly and consists of 20 voters, including 18 coaches of Division III programs and two men's hockey writers. USCHO.com provides in-depth coverage of college hockey.

CardsFan91
01-03-2011, 03:00 PM
PLATTY DOESN'T CRACK THE TOP 15 AGAIN?! Gesh.

Birdwatcher
01-03-2011, 03:09 PM
12 minutes later...here we are:



USCHO.com Division III Men's Poll
Minneapolis, Minn./January 3, 2011

Team (First Place) Record Pts Last Week
1 St. Norbert (12) 11-2-0 291 2
2 Oswego ( 5) 13-2-0 272 1
3 Williams ( 3) 7-0-1 271 3
4 Bowdoin 6-1-0 224 5
5 Gustavus Adolphus 9-3-1 189 6
6 Manhattanville 10-3-1 183 10
7 Norwich 6-3-1 175 4
8 Geneseo 8-3-2 149 8
9 Adrian 9-3-0 118 7
10 Hamline 7-3-1 101 12
11 Milwaukee School of Engineering 9-2-0 95 9
12 Castleton 8-2-0 72 14
13 Utica 9-4-0 70 12
14 Neumann 7-4-2 50 11
15 Hobart 7-3-1 36 NR

Others Receiving Votes: Plattsburgh 32, St. Thomas 23,
Wisconsin-Superior 15, Wisconsin-Stout 12,
Wisconsin-Eau Claire 10, Plymouth State 4, Amherst 3,
Curry 2, Massachusetts-Dartmouth 2, Hamilton 1

The USCHO.com Poll is compiled weekly and consists of 20 voters, including 18 coaches of Division III programs and two men's hockey writers. USCHO.com provides in-depth coverage of college hockey.


I really am confused now. Plattsburgh has won six in a row and just beat Neuman (ranked #11 at the time). They also beat Norwich (ranked #1 at the time). Of their 4 losses, 1 is to #2 Oswego in a close game and to #8 Genesseo (1st game of the reg season). This leaves the other two losses to unranked Buff State and Morrisville, both conference opponents who are notorious for pulling out wins when it is not expected. If anyone can explain this, please do.

PrezdeJohnson09
01-03-2011, 03:24 PM
I really am confused now. Plattsburgh has won six in a row and just beat Neuman (ranked #11 at the time). They also beat Norwich (ranked #1 at the time). Of their 4 losses, 1 is to #2 Oswego in a close game and to #8 Genesseo (1st game of the reg season). This leaves the other two losses to unranked Buff State and Morrisville, both conference opponents who are notorious for pulling out wins when it is not expected. If anyone can explain this, please do.


PLATTY DOESN'T CRACK THE TOP 15 AGAIN?! Gesh.

I'm as perplexed as you guys are. Apparently the pollsters just haven't forgiven Platty's poor start for whatever reason. It's quite shocking honestly because when you have a name like Plattsburgh, Middlebury, Norwich, St. Norbert you often are given a lot of leeway one way or the other in polls like this, Hence how Middlebury was still receiving votes at 2-4.

norm1909
01-03-2011, 03:40 PM
I'm as perplexed as you guys are. Apparently the pollsters just haven't forgiven Platty's poor start for whatever reason. It's quite shocking honestly because when you have a name like Plattsburgh, Middlebury, Norwich, St. Norbert you often are given a lot of leeway one way or the other in polls like this, Hence how Middlebury was still receiving votes at 2-4.

Agreed, but it does go against the norm for this poll (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxBxq4VNoIk&feature=related).

hockeyjunkie10
01-03-2011, 03:58 PM
At the end of the day the polls are fun for us to debate and see where our team is at but they are relatively meaningless. Plattsburgh may still be out of the poll but nobody wants to face them in the playoffs, just like nobody wants to face a Hobart team at #15 or Utica at #13.

There are a lot of very good teams (nobody has emerged as truly great just yet, IMHO) and the relative parity makes for an exciting next couple months of DIII hockey.

Happy New Year, Boys!

PrezdeJohnson09
01-03-2011, 04:01 PM
At the end of the day the polls are fun for us to debate and see where our team is at but they are relatively meaningless. Plattsburgh may still be out of the poll but nobody wants to face them in the playoffs, just like nobody wants to face a Hobart team at #15 or Utica at #13.

There are a lot of very good teams (nobody has emerged as truly great just yet, IMHO) and the relative parity makes for an exciting next couple months of DIII hockey.

Happy New Year, Boys!

Agreed. I can't remember a year where we have had so many teams pick up losses so quickly and now start to stockpile them.

The #1 team in the nation has two losses and almost every other ranked team has around 2-4. That's incredible.

CardsFan91
01-03-2011, 04:14 PM
IF (and that's a big IF) Plattsburgh defeats Norwich tomorrow night for the second time and handles Elmira Saturday...you would think they could crack the top 15.

P.S- I think Plattsburgh's winning streak is at seven, not six.

CardsFan91
01-03-2011, 04:20 PM
Jaslow, did you have Plattsburgh in the top 15? If not, what is your reasoning?

hockeyjunkie10
01-03-2011, 04:25 PM
Jaslow, did you have Plattsburgh in the top 15? If not, what is your reasoning?

hahaha you can't put him on the spot like that!

PrezdeJohnson09
01-03-2011, 04:38 PM
I really am confused now. Plattsburgh has won six in a row and just beat Neuman (ranked #11 at the time). They also beat Norwich (ranked #1 at the time). Of their 4 losses, 1 is to #2 Oswego in a close game and to #8 Genesseo (1st game of the reg season). This leaves the other two losses to unranked Buff State and Morrisville, both conference opponents who are notorious for pulling out wins when it is not expected. If anyone can explain this, please do.


IF (and that's a big IF) Plattsburgh defeats Norwich tomorrow night for the second time and handles Elmira Saturday...you would think they could crack the top 15.

P.S- I think Plattsburgh's winning streak is at seven, not six.

That's an awfully tough sweep, but at least both games are at home.

I'd put Plattsburgh in the top 10 if they swept the next two games.

Birdwatcher
01-03-2011, 04:40 PM
IF (and that's a big IF) Plattsburgh defeats Norwich tomorrow night for the second time and handles Elmira Saturday...you would think they could crack the top 15.

P.S- I think Plattsburgh's winning streak is at seven, not six.

You are correct, it started with St Johns in the Prime Link!

NUProf
01-03-2011, 04:48 PM
Agreed. I can't remember a year where we have had so many teams pick up losses so quickly and now start to stockpile them.

The #1 team in the nation has two losses and almost every other ranked team has around 2-4. That's incredible.

If you look at my computer rankings (shameless plug) you can see that the top teams are very close together, while the teams on the bottom are pretty stretched in the negative direction. It's the classical negative skew. 68 ratings points separate positions 1 and 10, while 131 points separate positions 68 and 77. Lots of good teams, but none are great. There are also a few truly awful teams.

puckrfactor
01-03-2011, 04:52 PM
Can someone please tell me why all the love for Gustavus? What have they done to deserve a #6 ranking?

PrezdeJohnson09
01-03-2011, 04:58 PM
Can someone please tell me why all the love for Gustavus? What have they done to deserve a #6 ranking?

Because they were in the finals two years ago and had another darn good season last year. They started out ranked pretty high despite losing Lopes and Martinson, which I didn't understand and they have been fortunate that when they have lost, the teams around them have also lost so they have stayed right about where they started the year.

It's just the way the polls work. You reap the benefits from what you did last year until you grossly prove otherwise. Look at what Norwich has done so far this year. Who have they beat? No one and they have lost to every good team they have played. If they didn't win the national championship last year, they'd be a borderline top 15 team right now.