View Full Version : New Poll Predictions for 12/13

PrezdeJohnson09

12-12-2010, 11:02 AM

I know Williams is set to play today but I'm assuming a win for the Ephs.

So here goes with assuming a win by Williams today.

1.Oswego

2.St. Norbert

3.Williams

4.Bowdoin

5.Norwich

6.Gustavus Adolphus

7.Adrian

8.Geneseo

9.Manhattanville

10.Neumann

11.MSOE

12.Hamline

13.Utica

14.Amherst

15.Castleton

norm1909

12-12-2010, 11:15 AM

Given Morrisville's (5-2-1 SUNYAC, 5-3-1 overall) win over Geneseo (5-2-1 SUNYAC, 8-3-2 overall), IMO, they deserve more respect than they are likely to receive.

sshablak

12-12-2010, 11:26 AM

Utica deserves better than #13 "By Far" Losing to the #1 team Oswego 2-1(hitting the pipe on a breakaway in the third too) and 3-1 earlier this year. Of their four losses two to Oswego...one to Neumann and one to Elmira...all ranked teams. I think 10 or better would be appropriate.

norm1909

12-12-2010, 11:30 AM

Utica deserves better than #13 "By Far" Losing to the #1 team Oswego 2-1(hitting the pipe on a breakaway in the third too) and 3-1 earlier this year. Of their four losses two to Oswego...one to Neumann and one to Elmira...all ranked teams. I think 10 or better would be appropriate.

I do like Utica, and I am impressed with their SOS, unfortunately, that is also their down fall, they played well, but alas, not well enough when facing the teams that could get them into the top ten :(

PrezdeJohnson09

12-12-2010, 11:46 AM

Utica deserves better than #13 "By Far" Losing to the #1 team Oswego 2-1(hitting the pipe on a breakaway in the third too) and 3-1 earlier this year. Of their four losses two to Oswego...one to Neumann and one to Elmira...all ranked teams. I think 10 or better would be appropriate.

Elmira is not ranked. Unfortunately what we all "think" and what the pollsters actually come out with doesn't oftentimes line up. Just the way it is. Remember, this is a poll prediction of how it shakes out and not how I would rank the teams.

PSUChamps2001

12-12-2010, 12:04 PM

<table>

<tr><td> Overall </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> ____ </td><td> This </td><td> Week </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> Results </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> Team </td><td> W </td><td> L </td><td> T </td><td> </td><td> W </td><td> L </td><td> T </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> Oswego </td><td> 12 </td><td> 1 </td><td> 0 </td><td> </td><td> 1 </td><td> 1 </td><td> 0 </td><td> W 2-1 VS # 14 UTICA </td><td> L 2-5 @ HOBART </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> St. Norbert </td><td> 11 </td><td> 2 </td><td> 0 </td><td> </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> IDLE </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> Norwich </td><td> 5 </td><td> 2 </td><td> 1 </td><td> </td><td> 1 </td><td> 1 </td><td> 0 </td><td> W 8-1 @ ST.MIKES </td><td> L 3-4 VS CASTLETON </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> Williams </td><td> 6 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 1 </td><td> </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> NICOLS </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> Bowdoin </td><td> 6 </td><td> 1 </td><td> 0 </td><td> </td><td> 2 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> W 3-2 VS COLBY </td><td> W 6-5 @ COLBY </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> Gustavus Adolphus </td><td> 9 </td><td> 3 </td><td> 1 </td><td> </td><td> 2 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> W 3-2 @ FINLANDIA </td><td> W 4-1 @ FINLANDIA </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> Adrian </td><td> 8 </td><td> 2 </td><td> 0 </td><td> </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> IDLE </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> Milwaukee School of </td><td> 9 </td><td> 1 </td><td> 0 </td><td> </td><td> 1 </td><td> 1 </td><td> 0 </td><td> L @ ST THOMAS </td><td> W @ ST THOMAS </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> Geneseo </td><td> 8 </td><td> 3 </td><td> 2 </td><td> </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> IDLE </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> Manhattanville </td><td> 7 </td><td> 3 </td><td> 2 </td><td> </td><td> 2 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> W 5-3 @ POTSDAM </td><td> W 8-0 @ POTSDAM </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> Neumann </td><td> 7 </td><td> 3 </td><td> 1 </td><td> </td><td> 1 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> W 5-3 VS BROCKPORT </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> Hamline </td><td> 6 </td><td> 3 </td><td> 1 </td><td> </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> IDLE </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> Utica </td><td> 9 </td><td> 4 </td><td> 0 </td><td> </td><td> 1 </td><td> 1 </td><td> 0 </td><td> L 1-2 @ #1 OSWEGO </td><td> W 3-2 VS BUFF STATE </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> Wisconsin-Eau Claire </td><td> 8 </td><td> 5 </td><td> 0 </td><td> </td><td> 1 </td><td> 1 </td><td> 0 </td><td> W 4-2 VS UWSP </td><td> L 2-3 VS UWSP </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> Wisconsin-Superior </td><td> 8 </td><td> 4 </td><td> 1 </td><td> </td><td> 1 </td><td> 1 </td><td> 1 </td><td> T 1-1 VS LAWRENCE </td><td> L 1-3 VS CSS </td><td> W 7-3 VS CSS </td></tr>

<tr><td> Amherst </td><td> 4 </td><td> 2 </td><td> 1 </td><td> </td><td> 1 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> W 8-0 SALVE REGINA </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> Plattsburgh </td><td> 7 </td><td> 4 </td><td> 0 </td><td> </td><td> 1 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> W 4-1 @ SKIDMORE </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> UW-Stout </td><td> 8 </td><td> 5 </td><td> 0 </td><td> </td><td> 1 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> W 4-3 VS UWRF </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> St. Thomas </td><td> 8 </td><td> 5 </td><td> 0 </td><td> </td><td> 1 </td><td> 1 </td><td> 0 </td><td> W 2-1 @ #8 MSOE </td><td> L 4-5 @ #8 MSOE </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> Elmira </td><td> 7 </td><td> 5 </td><td> 2 </td><td> </td><td> 1 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> W 5-1 @ CORTLAND </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> Salem state </td><td> 6 </td><td> 3 </td><td> 0 </td><td> </td><td> 0 </td><td> 2 </td><td> 0 </td><td> L 4-5 VS S.MAINE </td><td> L 4-5 @ WORCHESTER </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> Buffalo State </td><td> 6 </td><td> 5 </td><td> 2 </td><td> </td><td> 0 </td><td> 2 </td><td> 0 </td><td> L 0-6 @ HOBART </td><td> L 2-3 @ #14 UTICA </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> Castleton </td><td> 6 </td><td> 2 </td><td> 0 </td><td> </td><td> 2 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> W 5-4 VS SKIDMORE </td><td> W 4-3 @ #3 NORWICH </td><td> </td></tr> </table>

PSUChamps2001

12-12-2010, 12:41 PM

<table>

<tr><td> 1 </td><td> Oswego </td><td> 11-1-0 </td><td> 1-1-0 </td><td> Beat Utica with backup Jones, Loss to Hobart 2-5 in the Cooler </td></tr>

<tr><td> 2 </td><td> Williams </td><td> 6-0-1 </td><td> ? </td><td> Awaiting…. </td></tr>

<tr><td> 3 </td><td> SNC </td><td> 11-2-0 </td><td> IDLE </td><td> Idle </td></tr>

<tr><td> 4 </td><td> Bowdoin </td><td> 6-1-0 </td><td> 2-0-0 </td><td> Beat Colby twice, 1 home 1 away </td></tr>

<tr><td> 5 </td><td> Norwich </td><td> 5-2-1 </td><td> 1-1-0 </td><td> Beat up on St.Mikes 8-1, then loss to Castleton </td></tr>

<tr><td> 6 </td><td> Gustavus </td><td> 9-3-1 </td><td> 2-0-0 </td><td> Got two wins over 1 win Finlandia </td></tr>

<tr><td> 7 </td><td> Adrian </td><td> 8-2-0 </td><td> IDLE </td><td> Idle </td></tr>

<tr><td> 8 </td><td> Manhatanville </td><td> 7-3-2 </td><td> 2-0-0 </td><td> Gave the Bears hope Friday night, then buried them Saturday 8-0 </td></tr>

<tr><td> 9 </td><td> Geneseo </td><td> 8-3-2 </td><td> IDLE </td><td> Idle </td></tr>

<tr><td> 10 </td><td> Neumann </td><td> 7-3-1 </td><td> 1-0-0 </td><td> Barely got by 1 win Brockport 5-3 </td></tr>

<tr><td> 11 </td><td> Hamline </td><td> 6-3-1 </td><td> IDLE </td><td> Idle </td></tr>

<tr><td> 12 </td><td> MSOE </td><td> 9-1-0 </td><td> 1-1-0 </td><td> Split with St.Thomas </td></tr>

<tr><td> 13 </td><td> Utica </td><td> 9-4-0 </td><td> 1-1-0 </td><td> Loss at #1 Oswego, Beat Buff State 3-2 </td></tr>

<tr><td> 14 </td><td> Amherst </td><td> 4-2-1 </td><td> 1-0-0 </td><td> 8-0 win over Salve Regina High School </td></tr>

<tr><td> 15 </td><td> Plattsburgh </td><td> 7-4-0 </td><td> 1-0-0 </td><td> 4-1 win over Skidmore, 2nd longest win streak in DIII behind only Williams and Plymouth State </td></tr>

<tr><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr>

<tr><td> 16 </td><td> Castleton </td><td> 6-2-0 </td><td> 2-0 </td><td> Barely got by Skidmore, beat Norwich..their other 4 wins…Saint As, Becker, NEC, and Brockport </td></tr>

<tr><td> 17 </td><td> Elmira </td><td> 7-5-2 </td><td> 1-0 </td><td> Win over Cortland, getting better </td></tr>

<tr><td> 18 </td><td> St.Thomas </td><td> 8-5-0 </td><td> 1-1 </td><td> Split with #12 MSOE </td></tr>

<tr><td> 19 </td><td> UWEC </td><td> 8-5-0 </td><td> 1-1 </td><td> Split with UWSP </td></tr>

<tr><td> 20 </td><td> UWS </td><td> 8-4-1 </td><td> 1-1-1 </td><td> Win over CSS, Loss to CSS, Tie with Lawrence </td></tr> </table>

UCBadger

12-12-2010, 06:02 PM

Elmira is not ranked. Unfortunately what we all "think" and what the pollsters actually come out with doesn't oftentimes line up. Just the way it is. Remember, this is a poll prediction of how it shakes out and not how I would rank the teams.

They were when (http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-iii-mens-poll/2010-2011/poll,1025/october-25,-2010/) we played them. The following week (http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-iii-mens-poll/2010-2011/poll,1108/november-8,-2010/) they were #6.

jconnor

12-13-2010, 09:26 AM

They were when (http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-iii-mens-poll/2010-2011/poll,1025/october-25,-2010/) we played them. The following week (http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-iii-mens-poll/2010-2011/poll,1108/november-8,-2010/) they were #6.

But you lost, 6-0, so you weren't even close in that game. Yes, Utica has improved making this year even tougher in the ECAC-W

sshablak

12-13-2010, 09:38 AM

Utica is a dam good team...ask Oswego !!!

NorthernLite

12-13-2010, 09:53 AM

Remember, this is a poll prediction of how it shakes out and not how I would rank the teams.

If that's the case, I doubt Amherst's win over Salve Regina would displace both Wis-EauClaire & Wis-Superior.

PrezdeJohnson09

12-13-2010, 10:16 AM

If that's the case, I doubt Amherst's win over Salve Regina would displace both Wis-EauClaire & Wis-Superior.

Didn't both of those teams lose games?

Amherst was just barely out of the poll last week and they won. The two teams in front of them lost. Castleton gets in and I think Amherst slides in to. Amherst might actually be #15 and Castleton #14.

PrezdeJohnson09

12-13-2010, 10:16 AM

Utica is a dam good team...ask Oswego !!!

Must mean un-ranked Elmira is a great team since they spanked Utica 6-0 ;)

CARDS_rule_the_Burgh

12-13-2010, 10:50 AM

Didn't both of those teams lose games?

Amherst was just barely out of the poll last week and they won. The two teams in front of them lost. Castleton gets in and I think Amherst slides in to. Amherst might actually be #15 and Castleton #14.

Call it a homer opinion, but...

Castleton beat the #3 team in the nation in OT, and beat an unranked opponent in OT.

In the same week, Plattsburgh beat that same unranked opponent 4-1, along with another 4-1 W. Plattsburgh has also beaten that same ranked opponent by 1 goal.

Plattsburgh is currently riding the second-longest unbeaten streak in DIII, behind 7-0-1 Williams

Last week, Plattsburgh received 22 votes and was second out of the poll

Last week, Castleton received 5 votes and was well out of the top 15.

According to the DIII KRACH page (http://www.uscho.com/rankings/krach/d-iii-men/), Plattsburgh has the slightly stronger SOS (the PWC page (http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pwc/d-iii-men/) shows Plattsburgh leading in both OWP and OOP categories). Castleton does lead in Win% and Win Ratio, partly due to 3 fewer games (after excluding the 1 DII opponent).

Also, neither team has beaten a ranked opponent whose name wasn't Norwich.

So, if EITHER of them is going to slip into the top 15, would you mind telling me how Castleton so drastically leapfrogs Plattsburgh to take that spot?

NorthernLite

12-13-2010, 10:53 AM

Didn't both of those teams lose games?

Amherst was just barely out of the poll last week and they won. The two teams in front of them lost. Castleton gets in and I think Amherst slides in to. Amherst might actually be #15 and Castleton #14.

With their weekend split, Eau Claire now have 6 victories over teams that are(*6,7,& 9) or were ranked in the USCHO Poll.

I doubt that there's another team that can make this claim and I'd be surprised if they dropped out of this week's Ranking.

elbojpb

12-13-2010, 11:08 AM

Utica has improved making this year even tougher in the ECAC-WI'm beginning to think that it's more a function of the other four EW teams regressing to Utica's level of play. Other than Oswego, I've not witnessed any really good teams this season. (And no, Hobart beating OSU doesn't qualify since they had Friday night off while the Lakers were going toe-to-toe with Utica)

PrezdeJohnson09

12-13-2010, 11:22 AM

Call it a homer opinion, but...

Castleton beat the #3 team in the nation in OT, and beat an unranked opponent in OT.

In the same week, Plattsburgh beat that same unranked opponent 4-1, along with another 4-1 W. Plattsburgh has also beaten that same ranked opponent by 1 goal.

Plattsburgh is currently riding the second-longest unbeaten streak in DIII, behind 7-0-1 Williams

Last week, Plattsburgh received 22 votes and was second out of the poll

Last week, Castleton received 5 votes and was well out of the top 15.

According to the DIII KRACH page (http://www.uscho.com/rankings/krach/d-iii-men/), Plattsburgh has the slightly stronger SOS (the PWC page (http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pwc/d-iii-men/) shows Plattsburgh leading in both OWP and OOP categories). Castleton does lead in Win% and Win Ratio, partly due to 3 fewer games (after excluding the 1 DII opponent).

Also, neither team has beaten a ranked opponent whose name wasn't Norwich.

So, if EITHER of them is going to slip into the top 15, would you mind telling me how Castleton so drastically leapfrogs Plattsburgh to take that spot?

There isn't much other than Castleton has a better record and the Spartans win came Saturday as opposed to two weeks ago. :)

PrezdeJohnson09

12-13-2010, 11:23 AM

With their weekend split, Eau Claire now have 6 victories over teams that are(*6,7,& 9) or were ranked in the USCHO Poll.

I doubt that there's another team that can make this claim and I'd be surprised if they dropped out of this week's Ranking.

They are in the west, which means they automatically suck remember ;)

UCBadger

12-13-2010, 11:36 AM

Must mean un-ranked Elmira was a great team since they spanked Utica 6-0 ;)Fixed your post. :p

CARDS_rule_the_Burgh

12-13-2010, 11:36 AM

There isn't much other than Castleton has a better record and the Spartans win came Saturday as opposed to two weeks ago. :)

Not enough in my book. :P

It's a push, at best.

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