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  • Re: The WJC Thread. USA! USA! USA!

    Originally posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
    I don't know I thought it was more than that. Maybe not. Is there a official attendance number...?


    Official attendance was 14093*. Official attendance at most Florida Marlins games is around 12,000, which is about 7,000 more than are ever usually there, so take an "official" headcount with about a few million grains of salt. I got a kick out of the way Gary Thorne referred to the Canadians rooting for the Fins on the NHL Network broadcast, as if it was a Canadian here and a Canadian there possibly pulling for Finland, as if they were simply lining up behind a woefully unprepared underdog against a much stronger and favored team. This is hardly a new phenomena for the Canadians, and it sounded to me like the Canadians were ALL rooting for Finland. Most of the people in HSBC appeared to be wearing Canada sweaters, and the crowd appeared to stand as one both times Finland scored, and competed well with the fog horn, while the horn was clearly louder than the crowd when the USA scored. The audience will be decidely in favor of the opponent for each of the USA games, if last night was any indication. Oh well, it isn't like the IIHF is going to hold this thing in Nashville any time soon. We won in a frightfully hostile arena last year. We can certainly do it again on our side of the border this time around.

    *and not that anyone needs to believe my estimate, but counting crowds is a hobby and from the looks of the place, my guess was 9000 in the house for this game*
    Last edited by WeAreNDHockey; 12-27-2010, 06:40 PM.

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    • Re: The WJC Thread. USA! USA! USA!

      Originally posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
      Yes, but I never believe attendance figures at events like this. The Frozen Four is a prime example of totally wrong figures.

      They usually count tickets sold, and not butts in the seats. I don't know the breakdown, but they say the first day attendance for all four games (including the measly ~1,800 at Dwyer) at just above 47,000. (I think they said 47,300-something.)

      Well, if all four games were sold out, that would mean they had 55,800 fans show up. Take away 1,800 from Dwyer, and that leaves 54,000 for HSBC for three games. So, only 6,700 empty seats (using the 47,300 number) existed for BOTH the German-Switzerland and USA-Finland games (I'm giving them the Canada-Russia sellout, even though there were some empty seats)? No way were there nearly 14,650 fans for both of those games. No way.

      I've seen Frozen Four semifinal games with half the arena empty, and they proudly proclaim a sellout with the attendance numbers because the tickets were actually sold.

      Sure, from their perspective, they got the money (except for the concession sales). Good for them. But, it is not a way to convey how many people were there and the type of atmosphere which was created.

      From high above in the press box, it was very easy to see the multitudes of empty seats in that last game. Good crowd, but it was dwarfed by the Canada game, and was never near the number they claim. I still maintain 1/3 full ... at best.

      I did not see you during the kiss cam, which I actually saw (most of anyway) during the USA game.
      You obviously had a better view than I did but I definitely thought it was at least half full. I don't have any way I could prove that but you're right there were a lot of empty seats. I was a little surprised because I figured this tournament would have caught more attention from a hockey-crazed city like Buffalo is right now.

      It probably didn't help it was the day after christmas and the Bills were playing.

      We'll see what the rest of the US games are like attendance wise. It was disappointing that the Canadian fans outnumbered the U.S. fans. However, most weren't hostile. I think a lot were cheering for Finland but there were definitely some that wanted to see the US win. I think many Canada fans want another crack at us and beat us fair and square on our home ice just to really stick it to us.

      I wish I could go to more games. Unfortunately though I'm headed back to Vermont for work when Norwich hosts their annual holiday tournament. I'll be forced to head to a bar or friend's house for NHL network so I can watch the games.
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      • Re: The WJC Thread. USA! USA! USA!

        Originally posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
        You obviously had a better view than I did but I definitely thought it was at least half full. I don't have any way I could prove that but you're right there were a lot of empty seats. I was a little surprised because I figured this tournament would have caught more attention from a hockey-crazed city like Buffalo is right now.
        The tickets were extremely expensive. And Buffalo is still hurting pretty bad from this recession.

        It probably didn't help it was the day after christmas and the Bills were playing.
        I'm sure that had a lot to do with it. I expect attendance to pick up for the USA games, especially if they continue to do well.

        We'll see what the rest of the US games are like attendance wise. It was disappointing that the Canadian fans outnumbered the U.S. fans. However, most weren't hostile. I think a lot were cheering for Finland but there were definitely some that wanted to see the US win. I think many Canada fans want another crack at us and beat us fair and square on our home ice just to really stick it to us.
        That's what I would think. My attitude if I was speaking to a Canadian rooting for Finland, "What's the matter, you're afraid of us? Need someone else to do your work?"

        I was royally p*ss*d at the Canadians rooting for Finland. To me, it seemed like all, but I'm sure many wanted to the USA to win. But they were extremely loud and extremely boisterous every time Finland scored. And they did a very loud, "Caaaaaambeeeeeell" chant after a Finland goal. I always root for Canada after the USA, but now I'm starting to change my tune.

        But then again, this is a country that boos other nation's national anthems, something no country anywhere in the world has ever done at a sporting event.

        I wish I could go to more games. Unfortunately though I'm headed back to Vermont for work when Norwich hosts their annual holiday tournament. I'll be forced to head to a bar or friend's house for NHL network so I can watch the games.
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        • Re: The WJC Thread. USA! USA! USA!

          Originally posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
          The tickets were extremely expensive. And Buffalo is still hurting pretty bad from this recession.
          I was shocked at how expensive the tickets were. Since last year I have seen commercials on the NHL Network hyping this event, trying to sell it as affordable with "great seats starting at just $25 a game." Well that is a little misleading. Games at the secondary venue not featuring Canada or the USA, sure, those are "affordable." Lower bowl seats in round games featuring the two favorites for $100 or more? Medal round tickets for $140-250? Hardly affordable. Of course the Canadians will once again "prove" they are more devoted to the sport than fans of the USA, as if that makes them somehow better, or more well endowed or something, by filling the place for their games, and showing up in droves for ours to root against us. Sometimes I think they get more pleasure out of seeing the USA lose than they do their team winning.


          I was royally p*ss*d at the Canadians rooting for Finland. To me, it seemed like all, but I'm sure many wanted to the USA to win. But they were extremely loud and extremely boisterous every time Finland scored. And they did a very loud, "Caaaaaambeeeeeell" chant after a Finland goal. I always root for Canada after the USA, but now I'm starting to change my tune.

          But then again, this is a country that boos other nation's national anthems, something no country anywhere in the world has ever done at a sporting event.
          1996 and the USA winning changed their tune. Ever since then, I have yet to see an international hockey game with Canadian fans involved where they didn't root against the USA, no matter who we were playing. Makes me wish North Korea or Iran had an international team in some of these events. How foolish do they want to look?

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          • Re: The WJC Thread. USA! USA! USA!

            Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
            I was shocked at how expensive the tickets were. Since last year I have seen commercials on the NHL Network hyping this event, trying to sell it as affordable with "great seats starting at just $25 a game." Well that is a little misleading. Games at the secondary venue not featuring Canada or the USA, sure, those are "affordable." Lower bowl seats in round games featuring the two favorites for $100 or more? Medal round tickets for $140-250? Hardly affordable. Of course the Canadians will once again "prove" they are more devoted to the sport than fans of the USA, as if that makes them somehow better, or more well endowed or something, by filling the place for their games, and showing up in droves for ours to root against us. Sometimes I think they get more pleasure out of seeing the USA lose than they do their team winning.
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            • Re: The WJC Thread. USA! USA! USA!

              Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
              You're joking, right..?
              No, he's not. You should have seen the all package ticket. Granted, a great deal if you actually went to every single game.

              Even some Canadian friends of mine who are big hockey fans and well off are choking at those prices.

              Go to buffaloworldjuniors.com. There are still tickets available for most any day...
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              • Re: The WJC Thread. USA! USA! USA!

                Originally posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
                BTW, if anybody buys the official program at the rink, check out the ad on page 59 for Fallsview Casino. Wow, she's hot!

                Oh, maybe this belongs on one of those off topic threads...
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                • Re: The WJC Thread. USA! USA! USA!

                  Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
                  I was shocked at how expensive the tickets were. Since last year I have seen commercials on the NHL Network hyping this event, trying to sell it as affordable with "great seats starting at just $25 a game." Well that is a little misleading. Games at the secondary venue not featuring Canada or the USA, sure, those are "affordable." Lower bowl seats in round games featuring the two favorites for $100 or more? Medal round tickets for $140-250? Hardly affordable. Of course the Canadians will once again "prove" they are more devoted to the sport than fans of the USA, as if that makes them somehow better, or more well endowed or something, by filling the place for their games, and showing up in droves for ours to root against us.
                  During breaks in games, they are advertising next year's tournament to be held at Edmonton and Calgary. They are setting up priority seating lotteries because of the expected demand. So, yes, they can brag about how endowed they are...

                  1996 and the USA winning changed their tune. Ever since then, I have yet to see an international hockey game with Canadian fans involved where they didn't root against the USA, no matter who we were playing. Makes me wish North Korea or Iran had an international team in some of these events. How foolish do they want to look?
                  Oh, they would still root for North Korea.

                  Like I said, they are the only fans in the entire world who have ever (and done it more than once in different years) booed another country's national anthem at a sporting event (or perhaps anywhere).

                  They can't possibly look any more foolish!
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                  • Re: The WJC Thread. USA! USA! USA!

                    Originally posted by joecct View Post
                    How big are her pretzels?
                    Actually, not very big. But one heck of a trimmed stomach.

                    Now, before my wife looks over my shoulder, I better go to bed...
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                    • Re: The WJC Thread. USA! USA! USA!

                      If there were 14,000 tickets sold and 10,000-12,0000 in the house for USA Finland, I would imagine that 4-6,000 Canadians 'ate' their day pass or tourney passes and didn't show up for the USA Game, 5,000 Canadians stuck around for the USA game because their package included it, and about 5,000 true blue USA fans were in the house.

                      In other words, the USA could not make this tourney work financially without a large Canadian fanbase nearby.

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                      • Re: The WJC Thread. USA! USA! USA!

                        Originally posted by Puck Swami View Post
                        If there were 14,000 tickets sold and 10,000-12,0000 in the house for USA Finland, I would imagine that 4-6,000 Canadians 'ate' their day pass or tourney passes and didn't show up for the USA Game, 5,000 Canadians stuck around for the USA game because their package included it, and about 5,000 true blue USA fans were in the house.

                        In other words, the USA could not make this tourney work financially without a large Canadian fanbase nearby.
                        Unfortunately the tourney just doesn't have the draw or appeal yet outside of Canada, which is a **** shame.

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                        • Re: The WJC Thread. USA! USA! USA!

                          Originally posted by Puck Swami View Post
                          If there were 14,000 tickets sold and 10,000-12,0000 in the house for USA Finland, I would imagine that 4-6,000 Canadians 'ate' their day pass or tourney passes and didn't show up for the USA Game, 5,000 Canadians stuck around for the USA game because their package included it, and about 5,000 true blue USA fans were in the house.

                          In other words, the USA could not make this tourney work financially without a large Canadian fanbase nearby.
                          Which was a key factor why the tournament was given to Buffalo out of the three American sites that bid for it.

                          That, and the fact that Golisano and the Sabres guaranteed the WJC $4 million.
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                          • Re: The WJC Thread. USA! USA! USA!

                            Originally posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
                            During breaks in games, they are advertising next year's tournament to be held at Edmonton and Calgary. They are setting up priority seating lotteries because of the expected demand. So, yes, they can brag about how endowed they are...



                            Oh, they would still root for North Korea.

                            Like I said, they are the only fans in the entire world who have ever (and done it more than once in different years) booed another country's national anthem at a sporting event (or perhaps anywhere).

                            They can't possibly look any more foolish!
                            Look at this way.....the Canadians see the U.S. as a legit threat. This was not always the case but the 96 World Cup changed all that. Then the NTDP began to produce more and more elite level talent and the U.S. began to dominate international play at the U-18 level. So its no surprise that Canadians would be rooting for Finland against the defending Gold medal champions.

                            As for the booing of national anthems, its quite disrespectful but unfortunately more common than you think.......

                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlHNOq8k46A

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                              Originally posted by jnacc View Post
                              Look at this way.....the Canadians see the U.S. as a legit threat. This was not always the case but the 96 World Cup changed all that. Then the NTDP began to produce more and more elite level talent and the U.S. began to dominate international play at the U-18 level. So its no surprise that Canadians would be rooting for Finland against the defending Gold medal champions.

                              As for the booing of national anthems, its quite disrespectful but unfortunately more common than you think.......

                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlHNOq8k46A

                              http://forums.redflagdeals.com/archi.../t-290287.html
                              In defense of St. Louis for that first one (which I hate to do on principal), I think they were booing the singer, not the anthem. That was terrible!
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                              • Re: The WJC Thread. USA! USA! USA!

                                Originally posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
                                Which was a key factor why the tournament was given to Buffalo out of the three American sites that bid for it.

                                That, and the fact that Golisano and the Sabres guaranteed the WJC $4 million.
                                Its actually rather interesting the IIHF is taking the tournament back to Europe in 2013. Seems like they're throwing away a lot of money, but I assume there are some political factors involved.

                                Finland opened the round of games today by pasting Switzerland 4-0.

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