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Biddco
12-06-2010, 05:43 PM
According to this list by The Center for College Affordability and Productivity, seven out of the 25 schools on this list have college hockey teams:

Some of these teams in the upper Midwest are not surprising at all:

http://moneywatch.bnet.com/saving-money/blog/college-solution/25-colleges-with-the-worst-professors/3771/?tag=content%3Bcol1


1. U.S. Merchant Marine Academy NY
2. U.S. Coast Guard Academy, CT
3. Tuskegee University, AL
4. Michigan Technological University
5. New Jersey Institute of Technology
6. Milwaukee School of Engineering, WI
7. Bryant University, RI
8. Bentley University, MA
9. St. Cloud State University, MN
10. Rensselaer Polytechnic University, NY
11. Minnesota State University, Mankato
12. Western Michigan University
13. Widener University, PA
14. Worcester Polytechnic Institute MA
15. Central Michigan State
16. Seton Hall University, NJ
17. Pace University, NY
18. Iowa State University
19. Drexel University, PA
20. University of Toledo, OH
21. Howard University, Wash. DC
22. St. John Fisher College, NY
23. University of North Dakota
24. Truman State University, MO
25. Mount Union College, OH

FlagDUDE08
12-06-2010, 05:45 PM
That's cool, but where's RPU? I've never heard of it. :D

Biddco
12-06-2010, 05:47 PM
That's cool, but where's RPU? I've never heard of it. :D

In the basement of RPI. duh!

Dirty
12-06-2010, 05:48 PM
Once again Yale is overlooked. When will they get RESPECT!!!!!?

nmupiccdiva
12-06-2010, 05:57 PM
Central Michigan State? Well, I guess CMU (http://www.cmich.edu/x22.xml) can rest easy tonight knowing it's their apparently long lost evil twin that has the ****ty profs and not them.
And I guess it really is true that Michigan Tech can't have nice things. ;)

MaizeRage
12-06-2010, 05:57 PM
Saying this came from an "education think tank" is more than a little generous, considering the "data" they used. If they were trying to make a couple bucks with a hit generator, they should have gone full-out Bleacher Report and turned this into a 50-page slide show.

Stories
12-06-2010, 06:05 PM
This needs to be changed to read, "Worst Teaching Professors". There's a BIG difference between a poor teacher and a poor professor. Not all professors teach, particularly in the sciences, where so much of the learn happens outside the classroom.

When it comes to learning research methods in the laboratory, something that wouldn't be reflected in classes, I'll take someone who has published multiple times in Nature over someone who hasn't published work since his/her dissertation from grad school (no offense to teaching professors at liberal arts colleges who are good teachers).

Also, this is using RateMyProfessors.com? Geez....

Puck Swami
12-06-2010, 06:19 PM
I would imagine that the technical schools might rank poorly due to technical professors who don't speak English well...

buoldtimer
12-06-2010, 06:50 PM
According to this list by The Center for College Affordability and Productivity, seven out of the 25 schools on this list have college hockey teams:

Some of these teams in the upper Midwest are not surprising at all:

http://moneywatch.bnet.com/saving-money/blog/college-solution/25-colleges-with-the-worst-professors/3771/?tag=content%3Bcol1

Doesn't the Milwaukee School of Engineering have a hockey team? NAIA, or the like?

nmupiccdiva
12-06-2010, 06:52 PM
Doesn't the Milwaukee School of Engineering have a hockey team? NAIA, or the like?

They do, in DIII (http://www.uscho.com/team/milwaukee-school-of-engineering/mens-hockey/).

BigM3810
12-06-2010, 07:01 PM
I bet close to 100% of those schools have basketball teams :D

Patman
12-06-2010, 07:36 PM
I would imagine that the technical schools might rank poorly due to technical professors who don't speak English well...

which frankly, I don't care about because you need to be able to communicate. On the other hand, I've seen people be needlessly hard on foreign TAs who are english proficient... I'm sure profs get the same traetment in that regard. Nevertheless, if you are an undergrad, unless you are the rare type that does undergrad research, the fact that the prof is awesome in the lab is rather irrelevant to the education process for you... it might mean something to the school or the grad students, but its irrelevant when you're recieving instruction.

edit: interesting to see Bryant on there... as far as I know that's a school that cares more about your bank account than your academic abilities.

Runninwiththedogs
12-06-2010, 07:43 PM
I bet close to 100% of those schools have basketball teams :D

Aha, beat me to it.

I would have thought Osorojo would have started this thread. Then when he said "Has anyone ever done a study on whether college hockey students have good professors?" Biddy could have been all over it!

Dirty
12-06-2010, 07:47 PM
I made it my goal in life during college to disparage foreign TA's.

CHFAN222
12-06-2010, 09:40 PM
I'm calling BS on this list.

It seems biased against real majors aka science/engineering.

If it judges the liberal arts better than the real degrees no point in even looking at it.

FlagDUDE08
12-07-2010, 06:17 AM
This needs to be changed to read, "Worst Teaching Professors". There's a BIG difference between a poor teacher and a poor professor. Not all professors teach, particularly in the sciences, where so much of the learn happens outside the classroom.

When it comes to learning research methods in the laboratory, something that wouldn't be reflected in classes, I'll take someone who has published multiple times in Nature over someone who hasn't published work since his/her dissertation from grad school (no offense to teaching professors at liberal arts colleges who are good teachers).

Also, this is using RateMyProfessors.com? Geez....

You are absolutely correct about this, and this is especially true at RPI. Many professors are hired for the purposes of doing research which will bring money to the institute, and then they have to teach on the side, although most of their primary "teaching" will be doing research with a graduate student. At least for our school, a position was created called "Clinical Associate Professor", where the hiree only teaches.

Puck Swami is also right in that many classes are in Engrish [sic]. One of the groups on campus was actually pushing towards getting competent TA's who actually know the subject and having English language requirements for the TA's as well.

RateMyProfessor.com is actually pretty accurate if you were to balance out the usage of 1's and 5's. Many of us used it to determine when to take a class.

bigblue_dl
12-07-2010, 09:16 AM
It does seem to favor the Engineering/Science/Technical Universities. I would guess that is because by nature the type of person that teaches these fields isn't as skilled at doing actual teaching. While some professors in these fields definitely are gifted at this, they would be much tougher to find than in say, Liberal Arts. Also, when you're hiring a professor in these fields, you don't necessarily look for someone who is a great teacher, research is what drives these types of hires.

With this said, someone needs to email this article to Passerello at Tech, I'd love to see his reaction to it. (bonus points to anyone that knows what the hell I'm talking about)

Osorojo
12-07-2010, 12:31 PM
Aha, beat me to it.

I would have thought Osorojo would have started this thread. Then when he said "Has anyone ever done a study on whether college hockey students have good professors?" Biddy could have been all over it!

Thanks for the unsolicited plug! Any press is good press. Keep it up.
Avoid confusion. Stick to hockey and stay away from professors and scholarship.

PcFriars13
12-07-2010, 03:34 PM
http://www.princetonreview.com/schoollist.aspx?type=r&id=687
Schools with best libraries...oh look, Harvard, Princeton, Colgate, Cornell, West Point, Wesleyan, Bentley and Wisconsin all have hockey!
http://www.princetonreview.com/Schoollist.aspx?type=r&id=722
Schools with most hard liquor...only Providence College (way to go friartown, #1), Wisconsin, Trinity (CT) and Michigan State have hockey! (and almost Penn State)
http://www.princetonreview.com/Schoollist.aspx?type=r&id=752
Schools with most school spirit...oh look, Michigan, Notre Dame, BC and Wisconsin all have hockey!
http://www.princetonreview.com/Schoollist.aspx?type=r&id=685
Schools with best career services...Northeastern, Yale, Bentley, Middlebury, Cornell and Stonehill all have hockey!

...and you were saying?

Happy
12-07-2010, 03:46 PM
I made it my goal in life during college to disparage foreign TA's.

I just ignored them, and drank. didn't see any reason to spill any beer over them.