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Got 6, Want More
04-16-2011, 02:30 PM
Looks like SLU picked up another nice Granite State Recruit in Tommy Thompson. He has nice numbers for the Jr. Monarchs. I have seen the Jr. Monarchs play a few times and both of our recruits were solid contributors. Also, according to Dan Cass. the Saints are hoping to have two more in the hopper by weeks end. Personally, I am relieved by this because we need the depth.

In the bad news column, looks like Baker's injury is worse than thought and he may be out all 2011-2012. Thanks a log Zeigler you dirty *($&*. Still baffled how that was not a penalty. That should have been charging on Zeigler and instead they call O'Neill in the NCAA's.

Anyway...I think this is good news. We need some guys that can score and Thompson has good numbers.

Muskieman
04-16-2011, 04:05 PM
Looks like SLU picked up another nice Granite State Recruit in Tommy Thompson. He has nice numbers for the Jr. Monarchs. I have seen the Jr. Monarchs play a few times and both of our recruits were solid contributors. Also, according to Dan Cass. the Saints are hoping to have two more in the hopper by weeks end. Personally, I am relieved by this because we need the depth.

In the bad news column, looks like Baker's injury is worse than thought and he may be out all 2011-2012. Thanks a log Zeigler you dirty *($&*. Still baffled how that was not a penalty. That should have been charging on Zeigler and instead they call O'Neill in the NCAA's.

Anyway...I think this is good news. We need some guys that can score and Thompson has good numbers.

Talk of good news and bad news. As for the latter, a bunch of us had a bird's eye view of the cheap shot that hurt Baker. I just hope that Justin completely recovers and his knee becomes good as new.

BTW, I got all-but-fired on Monday of this week from from my part-time job as they cut my hours from 10 hours per WEEK to 8 hours per MONTH!!!!!!. Brought this on myself as I entrusted for some time a few people at work with some personal info. (e.g., camp sale) that should of "stayed at home." As Ralph used to say on the Honeymooners, "I GOT A BIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG MOUTH." LOL.

TimU
04-16-2011, 09:56 PM
I was just watching the Bruins pull their annual choke job, and there was a really cool Stanley Cup promo featuring Jamie Baker's big goal against the Red Wings back in 1994(?).

Muskieman
04-17-2011, 08:37 AM
I was just watching the Bruins pull their annual choke job, and there was a really cool Stanley Cup promo featuring Jamie Baker's big goal against the Red Wings back in 1994(?).

I remember that game. He shot it from just inside the left point.

As for the Bruins choking, just consider yourself lucky that you're not a Rangers' fan. One cup in 71 Years is not good.

Spaceman
04-17-2011, 10:00 AM
The Bruins streak is closing in on almost 40 years with zero cups. At least you have seen your boys win one in your lifetime. Bruins fans of my age group wonder if their really is a cup...

FlagDUDE08
04-17-2011, 10:07 AM
I remember that game. He shot it from just inside the left point.

As for the Bruins choking, just consider yourself lucky that you're not a Rangers' fan. One cup in 71 Years is not good.

Hey, some of us are still looking for our first one, so be happy you've been there. (Sabres fan here)

Saints#1
04-17-2011, 10:31 AM
Looks like SLU picked up another nice Granite State Recruit in Tommy Thompson. He has nice numbers for the Jr. Monarchs. I have seen the Jr. Monarchs play a few times and both of our recruits were solid contributors. Also, according to Dan Cass. the Saints are hoping to have two more in the hopper by weeks end. Personally, I am relieved by this because we need the depth.

In the bad news column, looks like Baker's injury is worse than thought and he may be out all 2011-2012. Thanks a log Zeigler you dirty *($&*. Still baffled how that was not a penalty. That should have been charging on Zeigler and instead they call O'Neill in the NCAA's.

Anyway...I think this is good news. We need some guys that can score and Thompson has good numbers.

Last I had heard Tommy was committed to Mercyhurst, so this must have been a steal on our case. This is good news as our freshman class for this coming year is shaping up to be pretty solid.

Harp 34
04-17-2011, 11:29 AM
Baker hit was cheap, sucks to hear that he may miss more time next season - on the other hand it sounds like some more good talent coming in. As a Wings fan I remember that Baker goal quite well. :mad:

Muskieman
04-19-2011, 08:02 AM
Well, a number of CCT fans got their wish now that Roll and Dreschel did not have their respective contracts renewed. I always thought that Roll did things right and had/have a lot of respect for him, but it would appear that his teams' W-L record of late did him in. Bottom line here in my view is that too many CCT alums. were unhappy with the results and something had to give.

On another note, Union's goalie Kinkaid has gone pro.........no surprise there.

joecct
04-19-2011, 10:27 AM
OK Saints fans....

Which assistant are you willing to give up so he can take the Clarkson HC job?

TimU
04-19-2011, 10:53 AM
OK Saints fans....

Which assistant are you willing to give up so he can take the Clarkson HC job?

Neither, although it certainly makes sense to assume either one of them would get a good look if he applied.

joecct
04-19-2011, 02:40 PM
Neither, although it certainly makes sense to assume either one of them would get a good look if he applied.It would be a hoot if Joe applied.

However, our last good coach was a former SLU assistant and a Massena native. Hmmmmm..... Wonder who fits THAT bill..... :D

TimU
04-19-2011, 03:32 PM
It would be a hoot if Joe applied.

However, our last good coach was a former SLU assistant and a Massena native. Hmmmmm..... Wonder who fits THAT bill..... :D

Former assistants? Can't think of any. ;)

Muskieman
04-19-2011, 04:01 PM
Former assistants? Can't think of any. ;)

Pierre McQuire?? :D

Got 6, Want More
04-19-2011, 06:08 PM
OK Saints fans....

Which assistant are you willing to give up so he can take the Clarkson HC job?

When I have asked this question I have gotten the "not interested, happy where I am comment."

I would think that Chris Wells maybe should apply but I would hate to lose him to the dark side.

Really, I think Clarkson should take a hard look at someone who already has an office in Cheel - Matt DesRosiers...or heaven forbid, Greg Carvel whose father went to Clarkson as I recall? I personally think it was a mistake to let Roll go. Roll's performance is more indicative of how much the competition for recruits for roll players has increased with the AHA stealing a lot of roll players and the decline of the ECAC in terms of high profile for the studs with pro aspirations. I for one am sorry to see Roll go as I think he represented Clarkson and the North Country well and was pretty classy.

vicb
04-19-2011, 07:45 PM
When I have asked this question I have gotten the "not interested, happy where I am comment."

I would think that Chris Wells maybe should apply but I would hate to lose him to the dark side.

Really, I think Clarkson should take a hard look at someone who already has an office in Cheel - Matt DesRosiers...or heaven forbid, Greg Carvel whose father went to Clarkson as I recall? I personally think it was a mistake to let Roll go. Roll's performance is more indicative of how much the competition for recruits for roll players has increased with the AHA stealing a lot of roll players and the decline of the ECAC in terms of high profile for the studs with pro aspirations. I for one am sorry to see Roll go as I think he represented Clarkson and the North Country well and was pretty classy.

Kids wanted to play for Roll because they trusted him and his graduation rate was 98%. My guess was there were too many empty seats disguised as fans over the last few years and with 3 losing seasons in a row and some very vocal alumni ****ing and moaning this did him in. I personally will miss George and I think agree that he represented Clarkson well. Time to move on and support the next coach, whoever that may be.

Spaceman
04-19-2011, 08:34 PM
Ok, let me say what others are hinting around, it would be tough to lose Mike Hurlbut to Clarkson. Mike is a class act and I'm sure could be a head coach at a number of Div I schools. His blood bleeds scarlet and brown, but hey I'm sure he would give the Clarkson job a thought. Why wouldn't someone give some thinking to a solid Div I school that is 30 min from his hometown?

Wiki on Mike Hurlbut: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Hurlbut

Saints17
04-19-2011, 10:23 PM
I mean absolutely no disrespect to Clarkson and their fans when I post this. I believe they have fallen into the "Notre Dame" college football syndrome. The "we were once a powerhouse" mentality. Notre Dame football and their fans truly believe they are a powerhouse as they were for so many years. Now, many Clarkson fans are buying into the thought of "how great they were".
Times have changed and the kids have changed. Too many other programs out there for kids today. Too man of their fans were believing the draft pick status of a player ensured a rise to national status again. The landscape of college athletics has changed forever.

joecct
04-19-2011, 10:33 PM
I mean absolutely no disrespect to Clarkson and their fans when I post this. I believe they have fallen into the "Notre Dame" college football syndrome. The "we were once a powerhouse" mentality. Notre Dame football and their fans truly believe they are a powerhouse as they were for so many years. Now, many Clarkson fans are buying into the thought of "how great they were".
Times have changed and the kids have changed. Too many other programs out there for kids today.Yep. You hit the nail square on the head. Just because we're Clarkson no longer makes recruits swoon with delight.

This is not the 90's anymore.

Muskieman
04-20-2011, 09:20 PM
The following was on College Hockey News, and I couldn't agree with it more:

April 20, 2011 E-MAIL PRINT Bookmark and Share
Commentary: A Dark Knight
Clarkson's Firing of Roll Misguided

by Adam Wodon/Managing Editor

"This offseason has been eventful already, and will only get crazier. There were, or are, six head coaching openings (it's rare to get more than two or three per season), and the Big Ten news has created an impending chain reaction of activity.

Of the coaches who were let go, you could safely call most, if not all of them, great guys, and even good coaches. But for the most part, the school's decisions were at least somewhat understandable. No one likes to see good people get fired, but sometimes, it really is time for a change.

For Clarkson, however, it's not one of those times.

Not only was the timing of Clarkson's announcement yesterday odd — coming more than six weeks after the team's season ended — but it was a pointless, misguided move. It was a move driven too much by a vocal minority of passionate yet misguided alumni and Internet blatherers — the kind that calls for the heads of people like Dick Umile, Don Lucia and Tim Whitehead on a regular basis.

Clarkson just got rid of a very good coach, and a great person, and has no reason to believe things will get better with a change. It also has plenty of reason to believe things would've gotten better by keeping Roll.

Clarkson athletic director Steve Yianoukos announced the move via a campus-wide e-mail at 7:30 p.m. on a Monday night. Since then, he has declined to comment. Trying to reach him Wednesday was fruitless.

More than likely, he will say that Roll's record wasn't good enough. And it's true that Clarkson is coming off the worst three-year stretch in the program's history. But this is not a good read of the situation.

When George Roll came back to Potsdam, he inherited a mess. Mark Morris had been fired six months earlier, after a lengthy and largely successful tenure. Fred Parker came in as an interim coach, and the program fell into disarray — the inmates were running the asylum.

Roll was a former assistant under Morris. He came back and cleaned things up, got the discipline back in order, weeded out bad apples. In that first year, Clarkson won a first-round playoff series, upset Cornell in the quarterfinals, and made the ECAC Championship game.

Recruiting was back on the upswing, and by 2007, Clarkson was highly-ranked nationally and made the NCAAs as a No. 1 seed. After losing to UMass in overtime that year, Clarkson came back the next season, won the ECAC Tournament and defeated St. Cloud State for its first NCAA win since 1996 before losing to Michigan in the Regional Final.

From there, the team took a step back. And prior to the 2009 season, two prime recruits were dismissed for an off-campus disciplinary issue. The 2009-10 season was riddled with injury, and Clarkson finished in last place. This year, the team started strong but faded out, still improved to seventh place despite losing two key players to injury down the stretch, and was clearly headed back on the right track.

Now, for people who became accustomed to Clarkson winning 25 games and making the NCAAs every year, then perhaps this wasn't good enough. But they, and Yianoukos, need to face reality: It's not the '90s anymore.

The landscape in college hockey, and the ECAC, is much different in 2011 than it was in 1995. Clarkson has to compete for recruits with teams it never had to compete against before — teams like Union, Princeton and Yale. The Ivy Leagues as a whole are doing a much better job competing for recruits than ever before. Financial aid packages, especially from the big three of Yale, Princeton and Harvard, allow them to give what amounts to essentially a full scholarship for student-athletes whose families are below a certain income level. All of the Ivy League schools have been much more aggressive in their financial aid packages.

Yet for all those too-long memories of the 1990s, Clarkson seems to have forgotten the 1970s. While the Knights were always pretty competitive, a young guy in his first head coaching job named Jerry York took Clarkson had zero NCAA appearances in seven years. He went on to become — shall we say — pretty good.

Meanwhile, the only ECAC teams to make as many NCAA Tournaments as Clarkson in the past eight years were Cornell, Harvard and Yale (note: three Ivy League teams). People look to St. Lawrence and Colgate as great programs, with well-respected coaches in Joe Marsh and Don Vaughan that have been there 26 and 19 years, respectively. And it's true — you won't find many better guys and coaches than those two. But both have been to just one NCAA Tournament in the past decade.

St. Lawrence routinely has peaks, followed by significant valleys. After going to the Frozen Four in 2000 and the NCAAs again in 2001, the Saints had back-to-back 11-win seasons, followed by a 14-win season. SLU won a whopping 9 games two years prior to that Frozen Four appearance. They made the NCAAs again in 2007, then had 13 wins the next year. This season was another bad one, until a late playoff run.

Colgate is very similar. It had an NCAA appearance in 2000, followed by seasons of 10, 13 and 17 wins. Three more strong seasons were then followed by another trough, and this year, the Raiders came in last place — albeit, also, with a late playoff run.

No one calls for the heads of either Marsh or Vaughan, ever. Rightfully so.

Clarkson was doing well this year until a stretch of five straight games against nationally-ranked teams, including two losses to eventual champs Minnesota-Duluth, losses to Union and Yale on the road, and an overtime win over RPI. From there, Clarkson went 4-10, losing a playoff series at home. That probably sealed Roll's fate in the eyes of the administration. But just as egregiously, Roll was made to wait six weeks before a decision was made. The parties seemingly had a deal in midseason, too, when the team was doing well. But the administration kept making Roll wait and wait, then pulled the plug. That is no way to be treated.

Roll is a victim of some bad timing, too. If his contract ran out next year, the school would've given him another season and all would probably have worked out. But Clarkson believed it had to make a decision now, and it made the wrong one.

Most of the time, college programs err on the side of caution with their coaches. It takes quite a lot for hockey coaches to get fired. Consequently, when that time comes, usually you feel the time is right for a change.

Not this time."