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vicb
11-21-2010, 08:42 AM
Clarkson's first goal was by Zarbo on a rebound off a shot from in close. Clarkson's second goal was a beautiful breakout pass from Boak deep in the defensive zone to Defazio in the neutral zone just before the SLU blue line. He skated it up the sideboards into the offensive zone against a SLU dman and noticed Freeman streaking up center ice with a step on a SLU player. From the edge of the faceoff circle, he centered a pass that Freeman tipped with his stick from may be 6 feet in front of the goal crease. Wenninger went down sprawled across the goal mouth and the puck went about 2 feet into the air over his body and into the net. The last goal was another beautiful pass play. McPherson won a battle in the corner, passed to Morley at the faceoff circle and he quickly set a pass to Zarbo who was left unprotected in the slot. Zarbo skated across the crease and waited for Wenninger to make his move (down) and he rifled a beautiful wrist shot into the top of the net. SLU's lone goal was on an awful play by Pokoluk. Had a chance to clear the zone up ice from one corner but for some reason decided it would be better to throw the puck behind the net and up the opposite side boards. Unfortunately Vangog was there and he did a great job of battling for the puck and sent a shot on net that Essery tipped in.

To me there were a number of reasons Clarkson won this edition of the North Country Battle
1) Karpowich was great in the nets and made 4 or 5 stellar saves
2) The Clarkson penalty kill was great. Keeping sticks down on the ice in the passing lanes to break up plays, blocking shots with the body, clearing the puck out of the zone and overall limiting SLU's chances.
3) The use of instant replay. This was the turning point of period 3 IMHO. With about 10 min to go SLU is on a 5 on 3 PP, is buzzing around the net and a shot is deflected up into the air probably 10 feet right above the crease. Sticks go into the air and the puck ends up in the net to make it 3-2. Clarkson protests that it went in on off a SLU high stick. The officials conference and decide to go the the replay booth. Replay say's it's no goal. Clarkson goes on to kill the 5 on 3. If that goal had counted who knows how the final minute of the 2nd penalty would have played out or the final 10 minutes of the game.

Got 6, Want More
11-21-2010, 09:00 AM
So I guess this is going to mean that the team revisits the starting goalie issue. What has happened with Robby Moss? I think I read on the old thread that there was a game he didn't dress for a week or two ago? And Grilk came in as the backup against Dartmouth and didn't fare that well. Weninger has now had two tough outings in a row, giving up 4 goals on just over 20 shots last weekend against Dartmouth before getting pulled, and now 3 goals on 18. That said I wasn't at either game, so not sure what the goals were like, just seems like there needs to be a little shake up. I don't want to put it all on the tenders, because the offense needs to start capitalizing on all of these shots as well.

Tough news for Sean, hopefully nothing to serious with him or Carey. Those could both be huge losses for us if they are out for any kind of time.

The problem is team defense, not goaltending. I have only seen one goal given up by Weninger that was on him which was against Harvard. The three goals last night....first one was a defensive lapse and the guy stuffed in from inside the crease, second one was essentially a long lead pass breakaway that Weninger dove to try and get but the Clarkson player got his stick on it and it went over Weninger into the net but was caused by SLU getting caught on a terrible change, and the third goal was a turnover in our zone which was essentially a 3-1 and a quick pass to the weak side for an open net....defense, change, defense. At the other end, Karpowich did steal one or two but we continue to be our own worse enemy offensively. There were several mishandled pucks at the point. Our PP is getting easier to defend because of over-reliance on point men and not enough cooking down low, missed nets, etc.

As for Moss, based on the first weekends games, Weninger was better. Moss was back in his net and gave up a couple of iffy goals. Weninger was solid. I am sure Moss can earn the spot back by busting his butt in practice and take it back, but, to be honest, the fact he did not dress that weekend which I noticed says there might be something going on there.

Mike, what happened at the end of the Harvard - Quin game? Zurevinski got 15 PIM for CTH....should it have been a Game DQ instead of a Game Misconduct? That it happened at the 20 minute mark is one of the reasons I don't have much good to say about Q-Pac, especially when there was nothing matching by Harvard. Injuries is not the only reason we lost. We continue to give up bad goals due to bad team defense and continue to struggle to score goals but the man games lost to injury is staggering when you add up Keller, Bogo, Child, Logue, Wick, etc., and banged up Baker and Hughes and God knows who else and now Sean Flanagan and Carey...I know Flanny was not on the ice at the end of the game.....it is an issue. The lines can't find chemistry, we continue to end with broken lines during games. In 85-86, we lost 10-1 at Clarkson down four starting defensmen...McColgan, McGeough, Lammens and someone were out. I know our defense that game was 3 freshmen and Dave Saunders moved back from Forward. The problem as I see it is we are a very young team as we were then and it is tough to find your identity as a team with a lineup that keeps changing and is lacking senior leadership.

Anyway, the game last night. Clarkson got 3 PP's and out shot us in the first, but after that SLU carried the game and pretty well dominated in the second and third. Clarkson continued to have some pretty good chances on their limited shots, but we were the better team. So, maybe a moral victory but that doesn't feel have as good as the real thing. We need to get better...I think we will. Will it be enough and soon enough is the question.

Got 6, Want More
11-21-2010, 09:05 AM
Clarkson's first goal was by Zarbo on a rebound off a shot from in close. Clarkson's second goal was a beautiful breakout pass from Boak deep in the defensive zone to Defazio in the neutral zone just before the SLU blue line. He skated it up the sideboards into the offensive zone against a SLU dman and noticed Freeman streaking up center ice with a step on a SLU player. From the edge of the faceoff circle, he centered a pass that Freeman tipped with his stick from may be 6 feet in front of the goal crease. Wenninger went down sprawled across the goal mouth and the puck went about 2 feet into the air over his body and into the net. The last goal was another beautiful pass play. McPherson won a battle in the corner, passed to Morley at the faceoff circle and he quickly set a pass to Zarbo who was left unprotected in the slot. Zarbo skated across the crease and waited for Wenninger to make his move (down) and he rifled a beautiful wrist shot into the top of the net. SLU's lone goal was on an awful play by Pokoluk. Had a chance to clear the zone up ice from one corner but for some reason decided it would be better to throw the puck behind the net and up the opposite side boards. Unfortunately Vangog was there and he did a great job of battling for the puck and sent a shot on net that Essery tipped in.

To me there were a number of reasons Clarkson won this edition of the North Country Battle
1) Karpowich was great in the nets and made 4 or 5 stellar saves
2) The Clarkson penalty kill was great. Keeping sticks down on the ice in the passing lanes to break up plays, blocking shots with the body, clearing the puck out of the zone and overall limiting SLU's chances.
3) The use of instant replay. This was the turning point of period 3 IMHO. With about 10 min to go SLU is on a 5 on 3 PP, is buzzing around the net and a shot is deflected up into the air probably 10 feet right above the crease. Sticks go into the air and the puck ends up in the net to make it 3-2. Clarkson protests that it went in on off a SLU high stick. The officials conference and decide to go the the replay booth. Replay say's it's no goal. Clarkson goes on to kill the 5 on 3. If that goal had counted who knows how the final minute of the 2nd penalty would have played out or the final 10 minutes of the game.

I agree that was a crucial call...not just because it was no goal but because the faceoff went to the other end. That is how we lost to Union last year in Albany too. I sure hope the instant replay was clear enough that the refs made the right call. I couldn't tell from the video.

I agree with you Vic. Would just add that if we can't score on a 1-minute 5 on 3, that is an issue. We continue to struggle offensive. three goals in three games is not going to cut it....especially with a team that has been giving up some easy ones.

MarkEagleUSA
11-21-2010, 10:46 AM
Mike, what happened at the end of the Harvard - Quin game? Zurevinski got 15 PIM for CTH....should it have been a Game DQ instead of a Game Misconduct? That it happened at the 20 minute mark is one of the reasons I don't have much good to say about Q-Pac, especially when there was nothing matching by Harvard.I won't speak for Mike and I personally did not see what precipitated the Zurvy confrontation. There was a huge scrum in the corner along the boards over the last 2-3 seconds... bodies everywhere. At the buzzer, Zurvy and Moriarity (?) were in front of the net, down on the ice, with Zurvy on top. My buddy thought he saw Zurvy take a swing which makes sense given the 5 for CTH. I think all 4 officials were busy with the larger pack so maybe they only saw the retaliation and not the instigation, hence no calls on Harvard. My only guess is that Moriarity ran at Hartzell and Zurvy took exception... again I did not see that specific incident since I was watching the larger mess in the corner.

In my opinion, this was a result of the refs not calling a thing from around the mid part of the 2nd. After Donato called his timeout, the physical play escalated (on both sides). Both teams benefitted from non-calls and I mentioned to Mike at one point that things would get ugly if they let it continue and he agreed. Things were a little calmer (or at least less blatant) during the 3rd until the last couple of minutes.

critsports
11-21-2010, 10:50 AM
I agree that was a crucial call...not just because it was no goal but because the faceoff went to the other end. That is how we lost to Union last year in Albany too. I sure hope the instant replay was clear enough that the refs made the right call. I couldn't tell from the video.

I agree with you Vic. Would just add that if we can't score on a 1-minute 5 on 3, that is an issue. We continue to struggle offensive. three goals in three games is not going to cut it....especially with a team that has been giving up some easy ones.

First........thanks for the update Vic. Very thorough and unbiased opinon.
Second.....I went to the women's game on Friday night to see them play Yale. In
that game the women actually were down on a 5 on 3 and scored a shortie down 2 (I almost said men!!!) players. Beautiful rush up ice 2 on 1 and they scored. Talk about a game changer!!
Third.....as to your question about the penalties at the end of the game (Q Pac/Harvard). Harvard had their goalie pulled and was putting on a lot of pressure at the end. Hartzell made a couple of huge stops and there was a faceoff with around 7 seconds to go. As the buzzer sounded there was a big scrum around the net and several players paired off and there was a pig pile of players on the ice. Zurevinski with his helmet off went after a Harvard player and even after they separated he still kept going after him. I didn't see anything specific he or anyone else did but the penalties may have been just because he wouldn't let it drop and kept pursuing things after they were separated and kept going after Harvard players. I'm not turning into a Q fan Leckster but I do have to say that I thought Harvard was the dirtier of the two teams. When they got behind Harvard really picked up the hitting and there were several elbows, one where away from the play a Harvard player elbowed Dalhuesin in the head and he went down like he was shot and nothing was called. The refs let the game get a bit out of control. As for during the game Q did not get a single penalty called on them if I am not mistaken and the referee's swallowed the whistle most of the game which is an oddity in ECAC games.
Fourth........it must be hunting season as there are no posts from Tim. Maybe he's going for a tri-fecta and trying to shoot a Tur-Duck-en for Thanksgiving dinner!!!!

Saints#1
11-21-2010, 12:48 PM
I have heard a few people mentioning the goaltending issue. I completely agree that this is an issue that needs to be addressed. I wanted to point out something that I have heard others talking about and that is the reason Moss has been unavailable for us is because he is having an academic issue. This could be just a rumor, but it would make sense as to why we have stuck with Wenninger for so long this season and not shook things up. But I, unlike others, don't have any direct insider information to back this up.

Got 6, Want More
11-21-2010, 01:26 PM
First........thanks for the update Vic. Very thorough and unbiased opinon.
Second.....I went to the women's game on Friday night to see them play Yale. In
that game the women actually were down on a 5 on 3 and scored a shortie down 2 (I almost said men!!!) players. Beautiful rush up ice 2 on 1 and they scored. Talk about a game changer!!
Third.....as to your question about the penalties at the end of the game (Q Pac/Harvard). Harvard had their goalie pulled and was putting on a lot of pressure at the end. Hartzell made a couple of huge stops and there was a faceoff with around 7 seconds to go. As the buzzer sounded there was a big scrum around the net and several players paired off and there was a pig pile of players on the ice. Zurevinski with his helmet off went after a Harvard player and even after they separated he still kept going after him. I didn't see anything specific he or anyone else did but the penalties may have been just because he wouldn't let it drop and kept pursuing things after they were separated and kept going after Harvard players. I'm not turning into a Q fan Leckster but I do have to say that I thought Harvard was the dirtier of the two teams. When they got behind Harvard really picked up the hitting and there were several elbows, one where away from the play a Harvard player elbowed Dalhuesin in the head and he went down like he was shot and nothing was called. The refs let the game get a bit out of control. As for during the game Q did not get a single penalty called on them if I am not mistaken and the referee's swallowed the whistle most of the game which is an oddity in ECAC games.
Fourth........it must be hunting season as there are no posts from Tim. Maybe he's going for a tri-fecta and trying to shoot a Tur-Duck-en for Thanksgiving dinner!!!!

Thanks for the perspective. Harvard can be dirty. I always maintain that the dirtiest player (or at least play) I have ever seen in ECAC was a Harvard player. In fact, it may be one and two.

I am happy to report that I don't think officiating was an issue at all last night (unless, of course, they got the called back goal for SLU wrong in which case it sucked the big one!;)). I did not agree with the call on Wick for charging, but we got away with two in a row in the second. For the most part, they called a pretty good game.

Yes, there were only two minors called on Harvard and they got a shortie, and a major/misconduct called on Q-Pac at 20 minutes of the third. Haven't looked at Q-Pac's schedule, but just wondered if Zurevinski would be out against us if it was a Game DQ!?

As for goaltending, my concern only is that Wenninger is not getting a break. Surprised we haven't seen Spadacinni at all if Moss is out. I personally thought Moss was the best goalie we had last year but Petizian won some big games for us and Tisi got hot in the second half. It would be two bad if Moss was doing fine when playing behind those two guys and then runs into academic trouble when he has a good shot at being number one.

Maybe Tim is posting to himself on the old thread??:eek::p

MarkEagleUSA
11-21-2010, 01:58 PM
Harvard can be dirty.I wouldn't say they were dirty last night but they were very physical and both teams got into that gray area on occasion. Calls that we see made week in and week out were not made last night it seemed.


Haven't looked at Q-Pac's schedule, but just wondered if Zurevinski would be out against us if it was a Game DQ!?No such luck! :p First, it wasn't a DQ and second, we have Princeton Tuesday night and UMass on Saturday.

Got 6, Want More
11-21-2010, 05:26 PM
No such luck! :p First, it wasn't a DQ and second, we have Princeton Tuesday night and UMass on Saturday.

I realize it wasn't called a game DQ, but when something like that gets called at the 20 Minute mark of the third, the tape has a way of making it to the league offices for supplemental discipline....especially if Donato were mad enough to send it there!:eek:

It seems to me a DQ would have been the right call because it is hard to see how a 5 minute CTH is not also attempt to injure which I believe carries an automatic Game DQ....but whatever....no need to help Princeton out.;)

TimU
11-22-2010, 07:51 AM
Mike is right: I've been very busy not seeing any deer. (Actually, I had a buck walk right up to me yesterday. Unfortunately, his antlers were about a half inch long and he weighed about 70 pounds. :rolleyes: Other than that, it's been pretty desolate at our place. I even hunted over in NY for three days with about 8 other guys. First time in 27 years they went a whole week without anyone shooting a deer!! I may be a jinx.)

It's going to be a long season this year, with a few more highlights and (I expect) quite a few more tough nights. As long as they keep their heads up, and keep trying to improve, we should be able to make life interesting for other teams come March.

hockeyplayer1015
11-22-2010, 12:21 PM
Mike is right: I've been very busy not seeing any deer. (Actually, I had a buck walk right up to me yesterday. Unfortunately, his antlers were about a half inch long and he weighed about 70 pounds. :rolleyes: Other than that, it's been pretty desolate at our place. I even hunted over in NY for three days with about 8 other guys. First time in 27 years they went a whole week without anyone shooting a deer!! I may be a jinx.)

It's going to be a long season this year, with a few more highlights and (I expect) quite a few more tough nights. As long as they keep their heads up, and keep trying to improve, we should be able to make life interesting for other teams come March.

Our camp has had a decent year so far, my dad got a spike, and my friend and my dad's friend got back to back 4 pointers, all in a 1 week period. I'm going to get a couple/few days in the woods this weekend, hopefully I can find one of the other bucks around our property.

Muskieman
11-22-2010, 12:53 PM
Mike is right: I've been very busy not seeing any deer. (Actually, I had a buck walk right up to me yesterday. Unfortunately, his antlers were about a half inch long and he weighed about 70 pounds. :rolleyes: Other than that, it's been pretty desolate at our place. I even hunted over in NY for three days with about 8 other guys. First time in 27 years they went a whole week without anyone shooting a deer!! I may be a jinx.)

It's going to be a long season this year, with a few more highlights and (I expect) quite a few more tough nights. As long as they keep their heads up, and keep trying to improve, we should be able to make life interesting for other teams come March.

Well, no venison for you so far and not much venison so far for the Saints. Two losses to Clarkson, and our record, so far is tough to swallow but we shall see how things play out. The bye week couldn't have come at a better time.

Go Saints.

Muskieman
11-22-2010, 12:56 PM
Ugh, I hate losing to Clarkson.

You hate it - I've been through a lot more than you!!

Muskieman
11-22-2010, 01:01 PM
No injury updates other than what is public, but you have to figure anyone that is not 100% ready will not play Saturday so they can give them the extra 2 weeks to heal completely.

Brian, after lacing them up in Canton a few years ago after not skating since 1990, that was truly pathetic and I had my sore feet to prove it. I would be willing to step on the ice to start a bench-clearing brawl, however, and I truly believe I could do that better than anyone else other than maybe Spencer Meany or John Roderick. Especially if Mark Green was playing for Clarkson. Oh well. I guess I'll just have to settle for a win in the ECAC game.

Yes, but I think the skates you found and laced up were about 2-3 sizes too small. Ouch. That wes a fun day, despite you really hurting, capped off by the Saints beating Cornell 4-2 that evening.

You are right on about Spencer Meany. Wouldn't want to get on his bad side.

Saints#1
11-23-2010, 10:09 AM
Ugh, I hate losing to Clarkson.

You and me both! Don't worry though we get our shot at home cooking in February ;)

Saints#1
11-23-2010, 10:15 AM
Mike is right: I've been very busy not seeing any deer. (Actually, I had a buck walk right up to me yesterday. Unfortunately, his antlers were about a half inch long and he weighed about 70 pounds. :rolleyes: Other than that, it's been pretty desolate at our place. I even hunted over in NY for three days with about 8 other guys. First time in 27 years they went a whole week without anyone shooting a deer!! I may be a jinx.)

It's going to be a long season this year, with a few more highlights and (I expect) quite a few more tough nights. As long as they keep their heads up, and keep trying to improve, we should be able to make life interesting for other teams come March.

It's been a rough start to the season so far, there is no way around that. But I have a feeling as the season goes along we will have more efforts like the Cornell/Colgate weekend at home. Of course we will also see downright awful results like that of the Harvard/Dartmouth weekend at home. All in all, I predict we will still finish with at least a first weekend home ice spot. We just need to turn it around in a hurry or even that prediction would be considered high.

freego
11-25-2010, 11:38 AM
11/24/60
Thanksgiving night 50 years ago
The Larries fall to Michigan St. at Appleton by the score of 8-5
My first St. Lawrence hockey game and the start of a wonderful addiction.

freego
12-02-2010, 08:07 PM
Former Saint goalie Mike McKenna and the NJ Devils are facing former Larrie goalie Jacques Martin and the Montreal Canadians tonite.

Got 6, Want More
12-03-2010, 01:20 AM
Former Saint goalie Mike McKenna and the NJ Devils are facing former Larrie goalie Jacques Martin and the Montreal Canadians tonite.

Yes, McKenna came in at the 1:38 minute mark after Hedberg gave up a pair and took the loss.

Possibly more interesting was in Houston tonight where Bagnall versus Bollig in a brawl....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyBP_2DJQXU

Pretty good tilt for both actually.

Get the Puck Outta Here
12-03-2010, 07:23 AM
We were at the game last night to see the Canadiens pound the Devils and Hedberg was non-existent in the first two minutes, so Mike got his opportunity. It was fun to watch him play again even if it was against the Canadiens. I am looking forward to finally getting to watch the Saints this weekend since they will be in my neck of the woods. Also looking forward to seeing my father, Boucher, and Muskieman coming down. Let’s Go Saints!