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oldish husky
01-12-2011, 11:59 AM
On Brett, Agree that it would be huge but I'd be surprised if he played much at all.


You may be right on Olson, but if that's the case it's kinda sad. I mean it's like saying that the young players will only play hard if they first see the captain playing hard. If you are on scholarship at the D1 level, you know how to play hockey, so just go play already. If Olson is healthy then yes, having him back is huge. If it's a psychological thing for the team, then that just speaks poorly for the team.

bigblue_dl
01-12-2011, 12:05 PM
I think "stonewall" will be in net friday and depending, might be in net saturday too.I believe he is being scouted by the wings.

I think that the Red Wings need to recruit more players from Tech. In fact, I wish the Red Wings had a roster completely filled with Tech Alums! :)

MTUHatTrick84
01-12-2011, 12:12 PM
Jamie Russell's first season was 2003-2004. Frosh on that team that fall under the 2003 GSR are Bryce Luker, Aaron Johnson, Tyler Skworchinski, Rolf Ulvin, Lars Helminen. Bryce Luker was the only player recruited by Jamie Russell in that class. AJ and Ulvin didn't make it past their frosh year at MTU and Luker left early. It was a small group and only 2 of them actually made it through 4 years at MTU. Hard to have good GSR numbers with that group.

You are correct. I had his first year wrong. Somehow, I forget that my freshman year was with Sertich as the coach, and thus the Fall 2003 semester would have been the first. So yeah, I had that one wrong. Hopefully we see a rebound in the numbers this fall then.

Shirtless Guy
01-12-2011, 12:33 PM
You may be right on Olson, but if that's the case it's kinda sad. I mean it's like saying that the young players will only play hard if they first see the captain playing hard. If you are on scholarship at the D1 level, you know how to play hockey, so just go play already. If Olson is healthy then yes, having him back is huge. If it's a psychological thing for the team, then that just speaks poorly for the team.
I couldn't disagree more with your post. This team is in a tailspin with this losing streak. It's hard to see positives or signs of turning the corner especially when the team is playing without it's top 4 forwards to start the season. The excitement of having your captain back on the ice and the sense that something is going their way could be a huge boost to morale. If you can't accept that then you really don't understand college athletics or how turbulent a season can be. It's hard to say these players arent motivated and playing hard (until late if they fall behind), but a little boost like Olson being back on the bench could really make a difference.

oldish husky
01-12-2011, 02:09 PM
I couldn't disagree more with your post. This team is in a tailspin with this losing streak. It's hard to see positives or signs of turning the corner especially when the team is playing without it's top 4 forwards to start the season. The excitement of having your captain back on the ice and the sense that something is going their way could be a huge boost to morale. If you can't accept that then you really don't understand college athletics or how turbulent a season can be. It's hard to say these players arent motivated and playing hard (until late if they fall behind), but a little boost like Olson being back on the bench could really make a difference.

It's quite possible that I don't understand college athletics having never been on a team at that level. And my assessment may well be far to harsh. But eventually, these players have to lead. Most of these freshmen aren't 18 year olds coming out of high school like other sports. They have been leaders at prior levels to have gotten this far, so I figure they should be able to cope when the Captain goes out. But maybe I figure wrong and you are right (the current losing streak is certainly more supportive of your case than mine).

mtu_huskies
01-13-2011, 10:27 AM
I see that the pending arrival of the mighty Saints juggernaut caused MTU to send their best scouts to NY last week. :)

They mainly talked about the SLU coach because Jamie knows him from his days as an assistant at Cornell.

crazytechfan
01-13-2011, 11:30 AM
Bloody good point sir...

To the editor:

As a minor hockey coach of nearly forty years, I can understand the feelings of the fans regarding the horrible MTU record. However, the most recent comment that we should go out and get Captain Marvel for a coach is the typical comment of one who doesn't understand the difficulties associated with the college game.

Yes, the MTU record is pitiful and, if memory serves me right, it was pitiful long before the current coach. Face it, fella: the students who attend MTU are there to become engineers and scientists with all the difficulty that these disciplines require. MTU does not provide degrees in basket weaving.

I've coached a lot of kids (including a few NHL guys) and I am very familiar with the general educational development of hockey players. They usually don't have much interest in calculus, chemistry, physics and other engineering curricula. If you look at this year's roster you won't find one player who has been drafted in the NHL.

I recently had a chance to talk with the Coach of University of Denver and I asked him what he thinks is wrong with the MTU program.

He felt that they were well-coached but he also felt that kids who expect to have hockey in their future beyond college are also more interested in life in the bright lights. Houghton's lights are very dim compared to those of Denver or Colorado Springs. In other words, they are far less interested in curricula than in making a name in the NHL.

As a practicing engineer for fifty years (yes, I am that old) I, too, would like to see more games in the win column but at the same time, I would never want MTU to cheapen the degree.

I am proud to be an MTU graduate and I feel much better bragging about the quality of the education versus the quality of the hockey team.

BERNARD J. "BARNEY" BISSON, P.E.

Centennial, WY

Formerly of Lake Linden

JOHN SCOTT ROCKS
01-13-2011, 02:57 PM
To the editor:

As a minor hockey coach of nearly forty years, I can understand the feelings of the fans regarding the horrible MTU record. However, the most recent comment that we should go out and get Captain Marvel for a coach is the typical comment of one who doesn't understand the difficulties associated with the college game.
Somehow being a junior hockey coach allows you to understand the difficulties of the college game? Great way to establish credibility at the start of your letter; also why does it take being a minor hockey coach to understand the feelings of Tech's horrible record? Also being an engineer where you deal in the factual world, I'm assuming there is historical data behind Coach Marvel not making a difference?


Yes, the MTU record is pitiful and, if memory serves me right, it was pitiful long before the current coach. Face it, fella: the students who attend MTU are there to become engineers and scientists with all the difficulty that these disciplines require. MTU does not provide degrees in basket weaving.
No, the majority of the good players are not there to become engineers and scientists.


I've coached a lot of kids (including a few NHL guys) and I am very familiar with the general educational development of hockey players. They usually don't have much interest in calculus, chemistry, physics and other engineering curricula.
First correct statement made


If you look at this year's roster you won't find one player who has been drafted in the NHL.
Coach Russell will appreciate you pointing this out


I recently had a chance to talk with the Coach of University of Denver and I asked him what he thinks is wrong with the MTU program.

He felt that they were well-coached but he also felt that kids who expect to have hockey in their future beyond college are also more interested in life in the bright lights. Houghton's lights are very dim compared to those of Denver or Colorado Springs. In other words, they are far less interested in curricula than in making a name in the NHL.
What an idiot- does this guy honestly believe a National known coach is going to give an honest answer to some idiot who's going to include it in an editorial? Does he think Gwozdecky is going to actually tell him that Tech has horrible recruiting? No he did what anybody would do and took the high road and blames it on location being the reason they get the recruits and the reason Tech doesn't.


As a practicing engineer for fifty years (yes, I am that old) I, too, would like to see more games in the win column but at the same time, I would never want MTU to cheapen the degree.
Buddy, little did you realize that the hockey players who were there when you were there were cheapening your degree. That is what happens with Div 1 athletes.


I am proud to be an MTU graduate and I feel much better bragging about the quality of the education versus the quality of the hockey team.

BERNARD J. "BARNEY" BISSON, P.E.Centennial, WY

There is some of us who believe you can actually have both.

FadeToBlack&Gold
01-13-2011, 03:30 PM
Division 2 sports are about student athletes. Division 1 sports are about athletes; that's how winning programs operate; so the question is do you want a winning program or some feel good happy BS about our team sucks but they get a good education and we can be proud of that.


There is some of us who believe you can actually have both.

Ah, so it's OK if our hockey players are bunch of dipsticks as long as they're winning. The real students can carry the school's academic expectations, and we'll just let the hockey team major in some meaningless "jock discipline" and have the profs give them Cs with a wink and a nod, since they're all bolting for the NHL in two years anyway. Got it.

Keep living in your fantasy world, because what Gwozdecky said is mostly correct with regards to this era of NCAA hockey.


Somehow being a junior hockey coach allows you to understand the difficulties of the college game? Great way to establish credibility at the start of your letter; also why does it take being a minor hockey coach to understand the feelings of Tech's horrible record?

It establishes more credibility than you've ever been able to lay out for us. What makes you right, and him wrong?

JOHN SCOTT ROCKS
01-13-2011, 03:44 PM
Ah, so it's OK if our hockey players are bunch of dipsticks as long as they're winning. The real students can carry the school's academic expectations, and we'll just let the hockey team major in some meaningless "jock discipline" and have the profs give them Cs with a wink and a nod, since they're all bolting for the NHL in two years anyway. Got it.
It's about time. I don't recall MI, UMINN, BC, WI having credibility issues for people who actually want to get a degree. Never heard their fans complaining that they'd rather have "student athletes" who stay for four years at the price of a winning program.





It establishes more credibility than you've ever been able to lay out for us. What makes you right, and him wrong?
I would probably contribute it to the lack of common sense among a lot of people.

Regarding Gwozdecky being correct, than apparently Russell is living in a dream world as well as he stated he would have never left Cornell if he didn't think he could win at Tech. He should of probably consulted in you or Gwoz before he made the move.

JOHN SCOTT ROCKS
01-13-2011, 05:10 PM
On another note, you'll likely see a committment from Blake Pietila soon.

huskyfan
01-13-2011, 06:21 PM
JSR. wow. just wow. way to flame a respected older gentleman who was expressing his opinion.

in my world winning isn't everything. seeing our hockey players go onto medical school, graduate school or successful careers is much more important.

I beg to differ on our players not being there to get an education. no doubt all hockey players have a hope in their hearts to make a successful hockey career. but I believe most of them realize that will be a short lived dream, if at all. all of the players and parents I've spoken to are grateful for the chance to not only play hockey (and have that elusive shot at a pro career) but also for the education.

may I remind you of your namesake, John Scott, who received his mechanical engineering degree this past summer?

techcodemonkey
01-13-2011, 06:23 PM
may I remind you of your namesake, John Scott, who received his mechanical engineering degree this past summer?

this

bigblue_dl
01-13-2011, 08:02 PM
I'll say it again, I don't care about academics if they don't get wins. Losing games and saying "at least we're good at academics!" Is like saying " I mns'd at the bar but at least I got to beat off to a picture of jessica alba when I got home!".

pbr
01-13-2011, 08:11 PM
I'm tired of hearing that players don't want to go to Tech due to the rigors of academics. What about Yale? One might say that's a pretty tough school. How do they get the talent to become #1 in the country?

bigblue_dl
01-13-2011, 08:12 PM
Ezac.

JOHN SCOTT ROCKS
01-13-2011, 08:50 PM
JSR. wow. just wow. way to flame a respected older gentleman who was expressing his opinion.

in my world winning isn't everything. seeing our hockey players go onto medical school, graduate school or successful careers is much more important.
I don't know the guy but from the way his letter was written, I don't believe he earned alot of respect. Sounded more to me like a guy who was full of himself who threw out some big numbers and big names to try and prove his point in which I didn't believe he proved at all.


I beg to differ on our players not being there to get an education. no doubt all hockey players have a hope in their hearts to make a successful hockey career. but I believe most of them realize that will be a short lived dream, if at all. all of the players and parents I've spoken to are grateful for the chance to not only play hockey (and have that elusive shot at a pro career) but also for the education.
As I stated division II is about student athletes, division I is about athletes. If you get an athlete who is also a good student, that's a bonus. How many people out there really care that MTU hockey is in the top 10 every year for the academic team (if they are)? I personally don't. Division I sports are about athletes and entertainment; it isn't these kids grades that are making MI, UMINN etc. etc. big time money.



may I remind you of your namesake, John Scott, who received his mechanical engineering degree this past summer?

That's great. Jack Johnson from Michigan (LA Kings) did the same but this is more the exception than the norm for Division I athletes.

FadeToBlack&Gold
01-13-2011, 09:17 PM
Sounded more to me like a guy who was full of himself who threw out some big numbers and big names to try and prove his point in which I didn't believe he proved at all.

The irony of this statement is fantastic.

huskyfan
01-13-2011, 11:18 PM
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How many people out there really care that MTU hockey is in the top 10 every year for the academic team (if they are)? I personally don't. Division I sports are about athletes and entertainment; it isn't these kids grades that are making MI, UMINN etc. etc. big time money.


I care.

did you know Derby Kitti is in medical school? or that Eli V is in grad school continuing his biomedical engineering studies? these guys are doing things that are going to change lives. just two of many many success stories in Michigan Tech hockey.

(oh yeah I got it going on)

the dedication and discipline of sports is a big part of success. learning to win and lose graciously. team work. hard work. these things serve athletes well later in their lives. look at the community outreach the players do. learning to give back and volunteer. teaching little ones.

(soapbox please)

and yeah. academics are a big part of it. you denigrate every athlete in NCAA sports with your puerile nonsense. kids who got up early every morning to swim or box or fence or run. who never got a big pro contact. who we never heard of. yet they went on to be doctors, nurses, teachers, policeman, soldiers, and yes, a few of those nerdy engineers who make our lives so much better.

(I'm done)

(carry on)

huskyfan
01-13-2011, 11:20 PM
(one more thing)

over 80% of NCAA hockey players graduate.