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MTUHatTrick84
01-11-2011, 12:50 PM
The overall goal of the hockey program is to win games and educate students to graduation, as per what the NCAA stands for when they call these participants 'student-athletes'. Now, this is obviously a running joke for football and basketball at the high levels, but you would expect it to be true at a 'tough academic institution' such as Michigan Tech.

We are not winning, obviously. We have 14 wins in the last 94 games played.

But what about the players getting an education? Afterall, the majority recieve a scholarship to play on the ice (supported in part by your student fees). What is the return on investment for the program in the classroom?

The NCAA uses two graduation metrics that are reported annually. They break down a "Graduate Sucess Rate" (GSR) and a "Federal Graduation Rate". I believe that the data gives an incoming group 6 academic years in which to complete their studies, which is equivalent to the maximum amount of eligibility an athlete can have (1 redshirt, 4 years of playing, 1 medical redshirt). I am not going to research the specifics of each number, because we are comparing one institution that should be roughly the same in the 6 cohorts analyzed.

Cohort GSR/FGR
1998 95/62
1999 96/67
2000 93/63
2001 88/50
2002 84/38
2003 77/40

There has been a steady decline in the academic success of the hockey team over the last 6 years. The 2003 cohort had until last spring to graduate, and the numbers were the lowest of the entire reporting period. Maybe we will see a rebound after the implementation of may athlete friendly majors in the Excersise Science, Health, and Physical Education departments, as well as continued growth in our School of Business and Economics.

What this data suggests to me is that there is a disturbing trend in the class room, in addition to the losing culture on the ice. You can't put graduation rates entirely on the staff, obviously, but one can definitely note a trend.

It is not all doom and gloom, however. A GSR in the upper 80's and 90's is extremely good, and better than the overall graduation rate of the popluation. Maybe the fall-off is a natural thing. But, I just wanted to throw those numbers out there to see if anyone else is disturbed by or can see an explantion for the trend.

Shirtless Guy
01-11-2011, 01:04 PM
MTUHatTrick84, You have to remember the team's transition from Watters to Sertich to Russell that happen over those 6 years. Many of the younger players that were recruited by Sertich were not retained by Russell and probably have an adverse affect on the 2001, 2002 and 2003 numbers.

bigblue_dl
01-11-2011, 01:19 PM
I don't care if we have a team filled with the most ******** dolts in North America, as long as it brings in some hardware! Get them into Underwater Basketweaving classes and tutor the **** out of them! If Auburn can get that idiot, who couldn't even speak a language that would pass for english further than 3 blocks away from Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd, to pass his classes, we should be able to get the dumbest canadians we can find (that kick *** at hockey) to pass enough classes to at least get 2 seasons out of them.

manurespreader
01-11-2011, 01:52 PM
Auburn is not my idea of a class act. I'd be against that.

MTUHatTrick84
01-11-2011, 04:31 PM
MTUHatTrick84, You have to remember the team's transition from Watters to Sertich to Russell that happen over those 6 years. Many of the younger players that were recruited by Sertich were not retained by Russell and probably have an adverse affect on the 2001, 2002 and 2003 numbers.

I can see how the coaching change would affect the 2001 cohort especially, since they were going into the sohphomore year when Russell was named head coach. I would also accept that the coaching change would affect the 2002 cohort, since they signed under Sertich to play for Tech and then Russell came in at the same time they did. It should not have had an effect on the cohort of 2003, since Russell was already in and established, and players that had made verbals would be allowed to rescind them. Anyone that signed in that cohort knew they were coming in with Russell, and coaching instability should not have played a factor, and yet it was the lowest number of the bunch.

It is interesting to me that the earlier cohorts that would have been sophomore through senior during the coaching instability still managed to maintain a high GSR. One would have really expected a hit to the numbers with players that were here during the change, not those who came in after.

A few notes on the process:

FGR measures the percentage of students that graduate from the school in which they started, and do so within six years.
GSR, as far as I can tell, counts overall graduation of an athlete within the 6 years from any school, and excludes calculation of those who do not graduate but leave in good academic standing (I think?).

The other sports at Tech used to actually measure below hockey on both terms. For the five year period (1999-2003), the GSR was consistently between 80-85, while the FGR (which is a more accurate measure of an individual school's academic success in my opinion) has hovered around 60. The other programs at Tech are consistently producing numbers, while the hockey numbers fall off. Of course, it can also be noted that the other sports have more players, so one player's failure has less of an impact on the overall number.

It isn't an exact science, and it may not be an entirely accurate picture, but I worry about the academics of our hockey program with a consistent trend like that. It would be even more alarming next fall if we see a continued drop, or a failure to rebound back up to high standards, with the 2004 cohort.

JOHN SCOTT ROCKS
01-11-2011, 05:17 PM
Division 2 sports are about student athletes. Division 1 sports are about athletes; that's how winning programs operate; so the question is do you want a winning program or some feel good happy BS about our team sucks but they get a good education and we can be proud of that.

huskyfan
01-11-2011, 05:30 PM
Division 2 sports are about student athletes. Division 1 sports are about athletes; that's how winning programs operate; so the question is do you want a winning program or some feel good happy BS about our team sucks but they get a good education and we can be proud of that.

so we want to be North Dakota?

Shirtless Guy
01-11-2011, 05:47 PM
Jamie Russell's first season was 2003-2004. Frosh on that team that fall under the 2003 GSR are Bryce Luker, Aaron Johnson, Tyler Skworchinski, Rolf Ulvin, Lars Helminen. Bryce Luker was the only player recruited by Jamie Russell in that class. AJ and Ulvin didn't make it past their frosh year at MTU and Luker left early. It was a small group and only 2 of them actually made it through 4 years at MTU. Hard to have good GSR numbers with that group.

manurespreader
01-11-2011, 06:42 PM
Does anyone have any info on the new scoreboard, when, how big, etc. Having just been to joe louis, I was hoping they would have replay capability and would actually use that more than once.

Dirty
01-11-2011, 06:58 PM
so we want to be North Dakota?

Doesn't everyone?

JohnsonsJerseys
01-11-2011, 08:55 PM
Jamie Russell's first season was 2003-2004. Frosh on that team that fall under the 2003 GSR are Bryce Luker, Aaron Johnson, Tyler Skworchinski, Rolf Ulvin, Lars Helminen. Bryce Luker was the only player recruited by Jamie Russell in that class. AJ and Ulvin didn't make it past their frosh year at MTU and Luker left early.

Luker was lost when he went to the BCHL and ultimately joined Canisius College (where he played even FEWER games per season in Atlantic Hockey - go figure.) I agree that coaching change will alter the grad rates. It may be too late for a kid to go to another school so they jump on board only to learn it wasn't what they hoped and they bolt for either Canadian Jr leagues again or go pro. I also don't think there is any fair comparison for Div III and D I sports when it comes to grad rates. Right or wrong, those athletes are there for different reasons.
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Biddco
01-11-2011, 09:10 PM
Doesn't everyone?

Chris Conner is the closest to being a NoDak. Since he has too many teeth to qualify.

FadeToBlack&Gold
01-11-2011, 09:42 PM
Auburn is not my idea of a class act. I'd be against that.

If it takes a bunch of flunkies and a major benefits scandal to be competitive, then I'm comfortable with a losing team. Luckily, D1 college hockey is not D1-A college football, and I'd say at least 80% of the players are capable of passing their classes without "creative grading" by professors and majoring in meaningless academic programs.

techcodemonkey
01-12-2011, 12:44 AM
What do Cousens, Baker, Royer want when they leave this spring? A shot at the ECHL/AHL? Get their names out to the professional hockey world? Right now, those three kids (well, technically everyone on the team) have some hefty weight on their shoulders if they want a pro career once their education is (mostly) done.

just as an fyi (i know you're a northern fan and probably don't follow our abomination of a hockey team), but Baker will be back next year due to medical redshirt


If it takes a bunch of flunkies and a major benefits scandal to be competitive, then I'm comfortable with a losing team. Luckily, D1 college hockey is not D1-A college football, and I'd say at least 80% of the players are capable of passing their classes without "creative grading" by professors and majoring in meaningless academic programs.

this, with the exception of ricky doriott.....i mean come on the kid talks about alligators in accounting class and bakes a cake for all saturday home games and apparently he will eat some of it during the second intermission.....that kid is just.....well....http://i768.***********.com/albums/xx324/btbenedi/******.gif

mtu_huskies
01-12-2011, 06:56 AM
Morning everyone.


Here's Jamie's drivetime notes:
Thoughts on the weekend:
-Saturday we made some adjustments, changed neutral zone forecheck, limited SCSU opportunities
-Did a much better job on the point, gave up too many shots by the SCSU Dmen on Fri.
-Josh played well, strung together 4 good games, he has some confidence

On odd goal, that landed on top netteing then popped up and bounced off Josh's back into the goal:
-Jamie didn't get an explanation
-A glove did not hit the puck, one of the most bizarre goal he's seen, it was the GWG

On St. Lawrence:
-St. Lawrence coach is a great guy, entertaining, well respected

On lineup:
-3 Freshman at top of scoring
-Expect trend to continue becuase most of our forwards are Freshman, they are getting the ice time
-We've thrown a lot of stuff at our Freshman, 5 of top 6 forwards are freshman
-They are playing against mostly juniors and senior on the other teams top line

On Brett Olson:
-He's questionable, final word will be on Thursday
-His role would be very limited
-Wouldn't take faceoffs, be on PP or PK
-But he's captain and leader, it'd be huge to get him back

On Junior Hockey night;
-it's been very successful, great having the kids there
-Early start, 5PM and they can skate with the player after the game

bigblue_dl
01-12-2011, 07:21 AM
so we want to be North Dakota?
Actually, that would be perfect.

On odd goal, that landed on top netteing then popped up and bounced off Josh's back into the goal:
-Jamie didn't get an explanation
-A glove did not hit the puck, one of the most bizarre goal he's seen, it was the GWG

Actually that goal happened right in front of us. It looked like the SCSU player hit the puck with his hand when it first happened, but when we saw the replay it was obvious that he didn't touch the puck. The puck was sitting on the top of the net and the SCSU player hit the net, which made the puck pop up into the air and over the crossbar, and trickle into the goal.

manurespreader
01-12-2011, 08:26 AM
Morning everyone.


Here's Jamie's drivetime notes:
Thoughts on the weekend:
-Saturday we made some adjustments, changed neutral zone forecheck, limited SCSU opportunities
-Did a much better job on the point, gave up too many shots by the SCSU Dmen on Fri.
-Josh played well, strung together 4 good games, he has some confidence


On St. Lawrence:
-St. Lawrence coach is a great guy, entertaining, well respected

On Brett Olson:
-He's questionable, final word will be on Thursday
-His role would be very limited
-Wouldn't take faceoffs, be on PP or PK
-But he's captain and leader, it'd be huge to get him back

I know that the eastern teams use the point a lot 5x5 and our covering it well will help us get some odd man rushes. On Brett, Agree that it would be huge but I'd be surprised if he played much at all. I think "stonewall" will be in net friday and depending, might be in net saturday too.I believe he is being scouted by the wings.


Actually, that would be perfect.

Actually that goal happened right in front of us. It looked like the SCSU player hit the puck with his hand when it first happened, but when we saw the replay it was obvious that he didn't touch the puck. The puck was sitting on the top of the net and the SCSU player hit the net, which made the puck pop up into the air and over the crossbar, and trickle into the goal.

No, being like the nodaks would not be perfect, being like Maine and sweeping nodak, now that would be perfect.:)

When I played I often tried to do this with the puck as the nets used to be looser along the sides low down and so the puck would lie on the edges just inside the frame. I would hit the netting with my stick to dislodge the puck which would bounce up into the air, however if the ref saw, he would blow the whistle. I do not know if it is technically legal or not to do. (I also used to whack the goalie's glove hand on top with my stick to try and get the puck to drop out. This was frowned on by the other team though, resulting in fights occasionally, which I normally lost) That goal by stc was very unfortunate as it really took the wind out of our sails.

bigblue_dl
01-12-2011, 08:31 AM
No, being like the nodaks would not be perfect, being like Maine and sweeping nodak, now that would be perfect.:)

Except Maine has actually been caught cheating.

TimU
01-12-2011, 10:23 AM
On St. Lawrence:
-St. Lawrence coach is a great guy, entertaining, well respected

I see that the pending arrival of the mighty Saints juggernaut caused MTU to send their best scouts to NY last week. :)

FadeToBlack&Gold
01-12-2011, 11:59 AM
I think "stonewall" will be in net friday and depending, might be in net saturday too.I believe he is being scouted by the wings.

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