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Huskiefan906
12-31-2010, 12:46 AM
I saved my blood pressure by not attending this weekend.

If I remember correctly that is 4th place in 8 of the last 11 years.

That is pathetic people. MTU is a proud University with its alumni as leaders all over the country.

Do something to address the injuries and malcontents.....

I think there is a bit of hope this year with the younger players and the Captain coming back.

But, I do not see how anyone in the program can accept the losing.
It is unbelievable how bad our program is. Strikingly bad. Awful, hideous, terrible.....

I'd even consider dumping the G.L.I. to avoid the humiliation.....
How is that for a refresh on the G.L.I. Avoid a bye into the finals for MSU or UM.....

FadeToBlack&Gold
12-31-2010, 12:49 AM
All bandwagoners please get off.

Do you really think that there are any left at this point?

Yager
12-31-2010, 12:52 AM
Do something to address the injuries and malcontents.....
We need to shoot one of them to make an example. This will make the rest work really hard and not care about injuries.

mtu_huskies
12-31-2010, 01:06 AM
As sad as this is, does any party of anyone want to see Jamie with these underclassmen for another year? At times they seem somewhat promissing. I struggle with why can't Jamie find the right mix of Defense and Offense. We're were so defensive his first few years. Now we wonder where is the defense and blocking shots. Maybe I'm just still hoping Jamie is the answer instead of starting all over again, but the underclassmen do seem to be better than recent history.

Has anyone emailed Suzanne to express their displeasure with the team? I'm sure she already knows it's out there, but hearing it form alumni probably sinks in more.

MTUHatTrick84
12-31-2010, 01:17 AM
It isn't just that we have not won in 13 games now, or that we are winless in 14. We have not led in a game in 617:14 of hockey. That would be ten full games and almost a full period, dating back to the Friday night game against Minnesota-Duluth on November 12th. How does a team go ten games without even being a head at any point? Put another way, we have just watched more than 28.5% of the entire season elapse with us either being tied or behind on the scoreboard.

There is not a single thing that Michigan Tech can hang its hat on. Nothing on offense, nothing on defense, nothing in net (with the exception of Robo last night). There is potential in all phases, sure, but what can anyone honestly say that the Huskies do well, with the exception of the power play?

We are on our way to another 7-9 win season, if we are lucky in the second half. And this is not acceptable, injuries or not. The freshman now have half a season, and we are going to start getting slowly healthier. It is time to show the restless fan base that there is something worth building on here, lest it be time to look in a different direction to change the losing culture of this team.

Shirtless Guy
12-31-2010, 01:35 AM
Michigan Tech 17/ 74; 23.0% on the power play good for 8th in the nation...I think thats something to hang their hat on.

FadeToBlack&Gold
12-31-2010, 01:37 AM
Has anyone emailed Suzanne to express their displeasure with the team? I'm sure she already knows it's out there, but hearing it form alumni probably sinks in more.

Wouldn't surprise me if Suzanne was getting angry emails on a near-daily basis.

manurespreader
12-31-2010, 08:02 AM
Michigan Tech 17/ 74; 23.0% on the power play good for 8th in the nation...I think thats something to hang their hat on.
well maybe, but the pp was terrible this weekend. Too much standing around.

The refs were no where near as good the second night. Tech did not have a pp until the third I don't believe. Tech also did not force msu to foul us, more jump would have done that.They beat us to the puck, had numerous opportunities in our zone where we were just disorganized, and were shiftier with the puck over all. We did not force them into making mistakes often enough and we gave away a ton of shots.Our fundamentals were not there near as well as the first night.

If anything we can hang our hat on our returning freshman. They played pretty good. We also approached the game differently. We pressured the puck more often in their end, and we did not do the same old dump and chase on the pp that we have done in the past. I thought we were moving in the right direction from that standpoint.

The Troll mtu86
12-31-2010, 10:13 AM
Too much standing around.

They beat us to the puck, had numerous opportunities in our zone where we were just disorganized, and were shiftier with the puck over all. .


I would guess that state won up around 80% of the battles for the puck in the corners and along the boards, even when tech out numbered them:(

Three of state's five goals where the direct result of sloppy clearing attempts!

mistakes...mistakes...mistakes...mistakes....mista kes....and so on and so on

manurespreader
12-31-2010, 10:36 AM
Agreed 100%. I think that often we would bunch up too much along the boards and end up out of position, with the point, or slot open as a result. There is no need for three guys to be within 10 ft of the puck.Sometimes for whatever reason we would be in a positive position in those battles and still lose possession.:rolleyes:
We are not good with our feet and often one needs to use the feet to keep the puck moving forward.If I remember right MacInnes had a bunch of drills where the feet were utilized.

huskyfan
12-31-2010, 10:37 AM
bandwagon? there is no f'in wagon to climb off of. we got no wagon. we don't even have a stinkin trail to follow.

The_Commissioner
12-31-2010, 10:47 AM
this season has certainly blown up in our faces.

This outcome should be no surprise. The surprise wore off many years ago when the decline of MTU hockey became asypmtotic.

Last fall at an east coast college football game, I saw a gray haired fellow walking with a youngster that I assumed was his grandchild. Grandpa was wearing a retro MTU logo sweatshirt. Of course, I couldn't resist and approached him with an introduction. As we talked, it came out that he was a hockey alum from the early '70's, i.e. the era when winning was the expectation and not the surprise it is today. He described Tech's program now as "club hockey."

What has been surprising, actually astonishing, is how Tech hockey stalled and spiraled out of the sky while the two basketball teams and the football team achieved top ten rankings and reached the NCAA playoffs. Never in our most psychodelic, room-spinning, Stroh's induced benders could we imagine the basketball and football teams setting the standard for athletic success in Houghton. For someone whose first season of Tech hockey saw the NCAA championship trophy delivered to what was then called the Student Ice Arena, it is unthinkable to me that an activity joined at the hip to the Michigan Tech tradition and experience has failed so miserably. Frankly, the program is no longer expected to be successful. What else does Michigan Tech produce that compares to this lack of competitiveness?

Others in this forum mentioned a "culture of losing" has become entrenched in Houghton. I don't know enough about the current crop of players and coaches to know if they can climb out of what looks like one of those bottomless sinkholes in Hancock when a mine caves in. But the problem is more than the players and coaches. Someone isn't taking care of business. Someone doesn't understand that winning Tech hockey is one of those intrinsic things that contributed to the pride and cachet of being a Toot. At the rate we are going, I don't expect to live long enough to see the hockey program return to its tradition of winning. And that is sad. It's like watching my diploma irreversibly fade.

guinness
12-31-2010, 12:46 PM
This outcome should be no surprise. The surprise wore off many years ago when the decline of MTU hockey became asypmtotic.

Last fall at an east coast college football game, I saw a gray haired fellow walking with a youngster that I assumed was his grandchild. Grandpa was wearing a retro MTU logo sweatshirt. Of course, I couldn't resist and approached him with an introduction. As we talked, it came out that he was a hockey alum from the early '70's, i.e. the era when winning was the expectation and not the surprise it is today. He described Tech's program now as "club hockey."

What has been surprising, actually astonishing, is how Tech hockey stalled and spiraled out of the sky while the two basketball teams and the football team achieved top ten rankings and reached the NCAA playoffs. Never in our most psychodelic, room-spinning, Stroh's induced benders could we imagine the basketball and football teams setting the standard for athletic success in Houghton. For someone whose first season of Tech hockey saw the NCAA championship trophy delivered to what was then called the Student Ice Arena, it is unthinkable to me that an activity joined at the hip to the Michigan Tech tradition and experience has failed so miserably. Frankly, the program is no longer expected to be successful. What else does Michigan Tech produce that compares to this lack of competitiveness?

Others in this forum mentioned a "culture of losing" has become entrenched in Houghton. I don't know enough about the current crop of players and coaches to know if they can climb out of what looks like one of those bottomless sinkholes in Hancock when a mine caves in. But the problem is more than the players and coaches. Someone isn't taking care of business. Someone doesn't understand that winning Tech hockey is one of those intrinsic things that contributed to the pride and cachet of being a Toot. At the rate we are going, I don't expect to live long enough to see the hockey program return to its tradition of winning. And that is sad. It's like watching my diploma irreversibly fade.

While I think the only thing Tech does well at hockey anymore, are excuses and moral victories, the college hockey landscape has changed drastically since the 1960's and 70's when the Huskies were winning championships. Better athletes, more programs, more money, more competition.

I'm a more recent alum (Watters and Sertich era), but I don't see where Tech is improving at all under Russell. Started off well under his tenure, but the win total has been regressing since then. However, I don't see who could improve the program at this point, and if it wasn't for WCHA and GLI welfare, I don't why it would still exist. I think most of Tech's problems, are in recruiting good players and coaching, but who wants to come to Houghton anymore?

Burnt Orange Husky
12-31-2010, 02:25 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if Suzanne was getting angry emails on a near-daily basis.

And what does Suzanne have to say? Has she responded to anyone? What does Pres. Glenn have to say?

Whatever Russell has done hasn't worked so he's gone at the end of his contract. He's just hanging around for the paychecks.

The best way out of a No-Win situation is the quickest way so we should scrap the Mens program at the end of this season and replace it with a Womens hockey team. That way we could bow out of GLI gracefully while remaining as a member of the WCHA.

Burnt Orange Husky
12-31-2010, 02:40 PM
What has been surprising, actually astonishing, is how Tech hockey stalled and spiraled out of the sky while the two basketball teams and the football team achieved top ten rankings and reached the NCAA playoffs. Never in our most psychodelic, room-spinning, Stroh's induced benders could we imagine the basketball and football teams setting the standard for athletic success in Houghton.
Not surprising when you consider that the basketball and football teams play in Division II. How well would they do in Div I playing against Michigan and Wisconsin or even Div I-AA against Appalachian State?

I'm afraid the days of Michigan Tech being competitive in Div I are over. Of course, how can tiny Colorado College do it?

FadeToBlack&Gold
12-31-2010, 02:42 PM
I'm sure that no matter how passionate people make their letters, they're going to get more or less the same words from Suzanne that I got from Russell last spring. She's not going to tell them what they want to hear - that Russell is as good as gone - until the season is over and it is made official. There's a certain level of professionalism that is expected in college & pro sports, especially when handling PR during rough times, and Suzanne knows where that line is.

Dirty
12-31-2010, 03:00 PM
The best way out of a No-Win situation is the quickest way so we should scrap the Mens program at the end of this season and replace it with a Womens hockey team. That way we could bow out of GLI gracefully while remaining as a member of the WCHA.

You are joking, right? Because if not that may be the worst idea I have ever heard. Tech would likely have a terrible women's team and absolutely no one will go to the games. You think no one goes to men's games? Absolutely no one would go to women's game, even if they are good. Of the people that did go to the games, you'd have to charge them way less for tickets. Then you also lose out on the share of the F5 revenues.

MTUHatTrick84
12-31-2010, 03:47 PM
Michigan Tech needs to be innovative in order to regain relevance. Maybe we are stuck with the same business model that worked with great success in the 60's and 70's, but is hopelessly outdated and obsolete in this particular day. In many ways, the game of college hockey passed Michigan Tech by in the 80's. And while there are current improvements and investments being made, Tech is still playing catch-up to everybody else.

We see this on the fan end of things when it comes to marketing. In the 1970's, the Michigan Tech hockey team basically sold itself to students and locals, and not much input was required. Today, with a losing team and other entertainment options, Michigan Tech still thinks that Division I hockey will be able to sell itself without advertisement and special deals on tickets. The customers have changed, but the business model has not. The program may still be making money, but I feel they have the potential to do more. Increasing the size of the crowd does not end up costing more (you still have to use the same electricity and have the same staff regardless of crowd size), and more people equals more money (not only tickets, but $3 parking, concessions, etc.) so why not be creative in finding ways to increase the crowd from the half-capacity that we have become accustomed to?

On the player end, there are more teams, and thus a dilution of the traditional hockey talent beds. There are more options, and especially after years of losing, what do you have to sell to a premier recruit that they can't get at a school like Duluth, Northern, St. Cloud, or any other similarly sized school with a similar athletic arrangement (Division II for everything else, Division I for hockey)? We have one non-North American player on our roster. Tech has been pushing to get as many international students as possible and celebrating that fact (have you seen how many Chinese and Indian students there are on campus?). Maybe Tech could make a swing through Europe/Russia and pick up a couple of recruits and offer them a premier American Education and good hockey competition and a shot at the NHL? Maybe not. We know that we are not getting the first pick of players when it comes to recruiting no matter where we go, but we need to find the right players to fit the right system, which is not necessarily the systems that other teams use.

I guess my point is that in order to be successful, Tech needs to stop trying to catch up to and mimic everybody else after falling so far behind, and find a different avenue and a new approach to be successful.

Hell, if RIT can be somewhat successful, then why can't we find a niche in this sport that we can exploit back to relevancy?

The_Commissioner
12-31-2010, 05:17 PM
Michigan Tech needs to be innovative in order to regain relevance. Maybe we are stuck with the same business model that worked with great success in the 60's and 70's, but is hopelessly outdated and obsolete in this particular day. In many ways, the game of college hockey passed Michigan Tech by in the 80's. And while there are current improvements and investments being made, Tech is still playing catch-up to everybody else.

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On the player end, there are more teams, and thus a dilution of the traditional hockey talent beds. There are more options, and especially after years of losing, what do you have to sell to a premier recruit that they can't get at a school like Duluth, Northern, St. Cloud, or any other similarly sized school with a similar athletic arrangement (Division II for everything else, Division I for hockey)?


I think you are on the right track about "dilution" of the talent. Recruiting is obviously more competitive due to the growth of the sport at the D1 level in the last 30 years. And we cannot discount the unique environment (climate, isolation, demographics, academics, etc.) of MTU that draws some but repels many others. What is MTU selling recruits now? A chance to change the losing culture of Tech Hockey? Face it...if the goal is solely to enter the business of pro hockey upon graduation (or earlier) there are schools to attend that will be more fun than MTU.

As for the situation with D1 hockey and D2 everything else, that used to be a marketable advantage for Tech. Hockey players were the pro-draftable elite studs on campus and everyone else who wore a jock strap were student-athlete nobodies. In effect, nothing competed with the hockey team for attention and glory. Tech is caught in a Catch-22 situation now: until the losing stops there won't be any growth in attendance and it will be very difficult to motivate a team when the seats are either empty or filled with fans with bags on their heads.

I don't know if changing the "business model" is the right way to approach the situation. We've gone beyond that point meaning the problem is cultural and not necessarily process. Rhetorical question: what is necessary to change the culture?

Put me in Glenn Mroz's leather chair and the first thing that gets changed is the idea that anyone with Tech credentials other than a John McInnes zombie has an advantage in hiring. The old 'it's safer to go with the devil we know rather than the devil we don't' attitude must be eliminated. If Tech Hockey, Inc. needs a new business model, it is forcing a transformational, wholesale change of leadership from the AD on down to the guy who drives the Zamboni. Everyone who is infected with the perpetual losing culture needs to be weeded out of the system. Since we cannot be 'merged' into a successful program, scrapping and starting over is the only way. Expensive, but necessary.

JohnsonsJerseys
12-31-2010, 06:09 PM
Michigan Tech needs to be innovative in order to regain relevance... Hell, if RIT can be somewhat successful, then why can't we find a niche in this sport that we can exploit back to relevancy?

Well, from my view that is what Jamie has been trying to do. You can't build a castle on a swamp, you have to first lay a foundation. Tech isn't getting a new rink any time soon, so fix up the one you have and get it closer to on par with other facilites: New seats, floors redone, new wall of fame, new suites, new lockerrooms. Give a Tech recruit something they won't get anywhere else: Kid if you come here, and play out your four years, we're going to take you to Europe for a week. Get someone behind the bench with a passion for Tech hockey win, loss or tie: If you don't think Jamie is one of those people, I'm sorry but you are mistaken. Run a clean program where the kids play by the team rules and make grades or their gone: Check.

I know many people want to jump off a cliff just because of the win totals, but there is a lot more to a "successful" program than wins and losses. Before we say that nothing changes with Tech hockey, stop and think. You'll be suprised just how much has changed in the last decade.

And for RIT's "success", I'll give you two words: Atlantic Hockey. Bemidji made a killing in the half-sized CHA racking up auto-bids, let's see how often they go to the NCAAs now that they are in the WCHA.

Ryan J