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manurespreader
12-07-2010, 09:22 PM
And also a no brainer that Russell should have been gone after his 5-30 season last year.

gezzzz. I'm tempted to say this myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRzMtlZjXpU&feature=related

MTUHatTrick84
12-07-2010, 10:31 PM
There are only three conditions that necessitate firing a coach in mid-season. He has not committed any major NCAA infractions, so #3 is out.

The first and second conditions must occur simultaneously.

First, the team must have ceased to be competitive and the coach must have 'lost the team'. There have been competitive moments in this winless stretch, but the results have been pretty awful. There seems to be isolated discipline and attitude problems popping up, but I am not in the room, and so I don't know if coach has lost the team.

More importantly, the second facet: The future coach must already be on the staff, or willing to step in immediately with the interim tag. Thus, unless Damon Whitten (or Pat Mikesch, I suppose) is the future head coach of the Michigan Tech Huskies, it makes no sense to release Coach Russell at this point. If we are going to search for and select a coach after the season, why change twice behind the bench? If you don't have the 'coach of the future' in house, you gain nothing by making the decision now instead of in March. If Whitten is the guy, then you could conceivably make the change now and let him get a head start on his recruiting class.

Any decision has to be made with the future in mind. How does waiting to make a decision affect recruiting, and thus the next 5-6 years? How will the decision affect the recruits, especially those that are only verbally committed?

So, we are likely to ride out this wave. My only worry is that we will show 'signs of life' towards the end of the season, extend the coach, and then find ourselves in this usual November/December stretch next season and wondering if maybe we should have changed coaches. If we show improvements at the end of the year, I hope they are tangible and carry over.

Yager
12-07-2010, 11:14 PM
I think that there is a fourth scenario. If players start/keep quitting or being dismissed from the team because almost no one respects and wants the coach. I don't know if that has happened here, just saying that would be a good reason.

FadeToBlack&Gold
12-07-2010, 11:36 PM
I think that there is a fourth scenario. If players start/keep quitting or being dismissed from the team because almost no one respects and wants the coach. I don't know if that has happened here, just saying that would be a good reason.

That ties back into the coach 'losing the team'. I fear that we're teetering on the brink of that, if it hasn't already happened.

Yager
12-07-2010, 11:37 PM
That ties back into the coach 'losing the team'. I fear that we're teetering on the brink of that, if it hasn't already happened.
Touche. Misread.

mtu_huskies
12-07-2010, 11:46 PM
If anyone paid attention to the Gophers football search, fans and the AD wanted a recoginzable name as the next coach, but coaches just weren't interested in going to a program that constantly struggles to win. Why would a big name coach come to Tech, Suzanne will have to take her chances with some college assistant somewhere that would accept Tech's offered salary.

Looking at the Tech Game Notes, there is no mention of an Anthony Schooley playing for this team anywhere in the document, so he's gone. It looks like the only player change last weekend was Stebner in for Reddick on Saturday, everyone else is injured or Heitala who is redshirting I guess.

The losing streak and all the drama is getting depressing. I'll be in Omaha this weekend, and this was planned awhile back when Tech started okay and Omaha was okay, now both teams have gone in opposite directions and it should be a one sided affair.

Shirtless Guy
12-08-2010, 01:08 AM
If anyone paid attention to the Gophers football search, fans and the AD wanted a recoginzable name as the next coach, but coaches just weren't interested in going to a program that constantly struggles to win. Why would a big name coach come to Tech, Suzanne will have to take her chances with some college assistant somewhere that would accept Tech's offered salary.

Looking at the Tech Game Notes, there is no mention of an Anthony Schooley playing for this team anywhere in the document, so he's gone. It looks like the only player change last weekend was Stebner in for Reddick on Saturday, everyone else is injured or Heitala who is redshirting I guess.

The losing streak and all the drama is getting depressing. I'll be in Omaha this weekend, and this was planned awhile back when Tech started okay and Omaha was okay, now both teams have gone in opposite directions and it should be a one sided affair.Schooley is still on MTU's roster on michigantechhuskies.com unlike Kattelus...

manurespreader
12-08-2010, 07:41 AM
any news on the recruiting front shirtless.? time's a wastin you know.

mtu_huskies
12-08-2010, 08:23 AM
No drive time today with both basketball and the hockey coache on the road with Thursday games

Burnt Orange Husky
12-08-2010, 10:30 AM
No, I think Tech pays them $150K and the enrichment fund pays them $100-$150K for a total of $250-$300K; with that kind of money offered, they'd have alot of notable coaches interested. Especially given the job security at MTU.
I find it hard to believe that Tech pays Russell that kind of money. If so, they need to ride him out of town on a rail. Someone needs to drop a Freedom of Information Act request on Suzanne's desk to find out his true compensation. Actually, someone ought to do it for all of the public schools in the WCHA.

Mel Pearson would be at the top of my list for a new head coach. I can't believe we let him get away back in 1988. Another Rick Yeo screw up...

MTUHatTrick84
12-08-2010, 10:48 AM
Coach Russell makes a base salary of $121,178 from Michigan Tech. This data gets published because we are a public institution. You can find the salary of any full-time employee of Michigan Tech.

http://www.usg.mtu.edu/new_usg/documents/other/2009-2010%20Salary%20Booklet.pdf

Not sure what the other compensations that were mentioned would be. Something tells me that this number doesn't have to be released.

manurespreader
12-08-2010, 11:25 AM
well seems to me there are two keys to winning this weekend.
1. the pp has to be better. UNO pressures the puck. CC was very successful last week in overloading the pp on the strong side and forcing the puck carrier to get rid of it, often in ways he didn't want. So to defeat this we have to have a lot of very quick puck movement. We did not set up well and had trouble getting the puck over the line on the pp without just dumping it in. CC also was good at blocking shots and we did not do a good job of handling that, shooting weakly from the points. I think we should take a page from the red wings and move someone up the slot and try to get him the puck instead of having everyone down low. this might free something up on the back door, especially if the weak side defenseman moved forward.
2. we have to break out of the zone 5x5 better. last week we did a descent job at times and when we did, we controlled play, but often we were tentative as the puck got out near the blue line. it has to come out of there in a really positive way, not just sent out to their point man who has backed up too much.

bigblue_dl
12-08-2010, 11:40 AM
Holy ****. There is this wonderful thing called google, I just did 1 search and found the salaries for 4 different WCHA coaches! This is a miracle!

http://ww3.startribune.com/dynamic/salaries/employees.php?dpt_code=Athl&ent_code=UMTC
Don Lucia - $497,120
http://ww3.startribune.com/dynamic/salaries/employees.php?dpt_code=Athl&ent_code=UMDu
Scott Sandelin - $139,250
http://ww3.startribune.com/dynamic/salaries/employees.php?dpt_code=E26U4&ent_code=MnSCU
Bob Motzko - $151,353
http://ww3.startribune.com/dynamic/salaries/employees.php?dpt_code=E26U2&ent_code=MnSCU
Troy Jutting - $133,446

FadeToBlack&Gold
12-08-2010, 12:47 PM
Mel Pearson would be at the top of my list for a new head coach. I can't believe we let him get away back in 1988. Another Rick Yeo screw up...

Base coach salaries for every public college and university are readily available. I'm sure that with a little sniffing around, you could take an educated guess at any bonuses too.

Rolston may have an outside shot at the Michigan job in a few years, but Pearson is likely the first coach in line. Plus, it is rumored that Pearson vowed he would never even consider the Tech job again after they hired Watters.

MTUHatTrick84
12-08-2010, 12:49 PM
What I gather from this is that we are obviously not in the same category as the University of Minnesota as far as compensation goes, but I think that was pretty obvious.

However, we are in the ball-park of the other Minnesota institutions. Unless they receive huge bonuses from their supporting programs, it would seem that salary isn't as big of a discrepancy that some are making it out to be. While Jutting isn't exactly a quality coach, one could argue that Motzko and Sandelin run programs that we could envy and hopefully duplicate (very good every few years, not stuck in the basement every year). The cost of living in the Copper Country is pretty good, so that salary goes farther.

So, there must be some other reason. Oh yeah, a hard academic school in the middle of nowhere that has struggled for 30 years that received 200+ inches of snow every year. It wouldn't surprise me if taking the head coaching position at this school is thought of as "career suicide" for an up-and-coming coach. If you come to Houghton with a growing career, you might be working yourself out of the head coaching ranks in 8 years of losing, and uncertain that you will ever get another opportunity. Coach Russell had an excellent reputation as an assistant and came here after being a part of a Frozen Four program, and his career projection was high. He came back to his alma matter, and 8 years later, you wonder if he will find another head coaching job at this level after what has transpired.

I think the reputation and risk make this job a harder sell than the salary.

FadeToBlack&Gold
12-08-2010, 12:51 PM
Tech is not getting a big-name coach. Period.

MTUHatTrick84
12-08-2010, 01:34 PM
Tech is not getting a big-name coach. Period.

I'm not looking for the best coaches, only the right ones.

Our athletic director must have a very interesting job. Our sports at the Division II level have great coaches and success (football is pretty solid. men's basketball is generally pretty good, and they seem to be building back up well after two down years. women's basketball is by far the most successful program on campus). We do pretty well with Tech people coaching Tech programs at that level.

But we apparently something happens when you move up to Division I and to the sport that is supposed to be the jewel of the University. Is there something wrong with the way the program is run? I still think being a hard academic school in the middle of nowhere is a hard sell when competing against these other schools. Hell, even Marquette (NMU) has more to offer and an easier degree path, and they have had success there.

techcodemonkey
12-08-2010, 01:56 PM
Coach Russell makes a base salary of $121,178 from Michigan Tech. This data gets published because we are a public institution. You can find the salary of any full-time employee of Michigan Tech.

http://www.usg.mtu.edu/new_usg/documents/other/2009-2010%20Salary%20Booklet.pdf

Not sure what the other compensations that were mentioned would be. Something tells me that this number doesn't have to be released.


The only thing I love about this document is that there is 1 person on campus that's getting paid more than the President of tInstitution....


Edit:

In other news:

http://playoffstatus.com/wchahockey/wchastandings.html

We have a 1% chance of a home playoff series YEAH! Moral Victory!

i love our majority 57% to finish last too

Edit 2:

Another update on Schooley, he HAS quit the team, a source says he quit the team about 2 weeks ago, so possibly right when they came back from Thanksgiving break

He is still listed on the roster for now however

Edit 3: (I'm bored and keep looking up stuff)

Has anyone noticed the team picture on the roster page? It is missing, imagine this, Kattelus and Schooley...coincidence or did they retake a picture....i find it hard to believe they'd retake a picture for that...

also with some of the guys that are in the picture are injured...i mean yeah, they could just throw them into the gear and take the picture...but it seems like a lot of work for 2 people

Burnt Orange Husky
12-08-2010, 02:30 PM
Rolston may have an outside shot at the Michigan job in a few years, but Pearson is likely the first coach in line. Plus, it is rumored that Pearson vowed he would never even consider the Tech job again after they hired Watters.

I heard there were some hard feelings when Mel left but heck, that was 23 years ago and Yeo and Watters are gone. Pres. Mroz needs to pick up the phone and call Mel. Everyone assumes he wants to stay at U of M, however, here are the Top Ten reasons Mel might consider coaching at Tech:

10) It sux being a hockey coach at a football school.
9) What's left to accomplish at U of M? It can only get worse, ask Rich Rod.
8) Yost Field House is a barn with bleachers. Are the locker rooms still upstairs?
7) Weather in Ann Arbor sux.
6) Skiing in Ann Arbor sux.
5) The CCHA sux.
4) Can't get a decent pasty in Ann Arbor.
3) Tired of winning GLI.
2) We won't make him play outside in a football stadium.
and the #1 reason...
1) Threat of leaving may push Red Berenson into retirement.

http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-hockey/mtt/pearson_mel00.html

bigblue_dl
12-08-2010, 02:31 PM
I'm not looking for the best coaches, only the right ones.

Our athletic director must have a very interesting job. Our sports at the Division II level have great coaches and success (football is pretty solid. men's basketball is generally pretty good, and they seem to be building back up well after two down years. women's basketball is by far the most successful program on campus). We do pretty well with Tech people coaching Tech programs at that level.

But we apparently something happens when you move up to Division I and to the sport that is supposed to be the jewel of the University. Is there something wrong with the way the program is run? I still think being a hard academic school in the middle of nowhere is a hard sell when competing against these other schools. Hell, even Marquette (NMU) has more to offer and an easier degree path, and they have had success there.
It is quite simple actually. You can't win when you have a culture of losing.

I say:
1) purge the program of any and all malcontents, which it seems like is happening. Give every player the option of walking away, and work with only the guys that truly want to be on this team. If any of the guys walk away at that point, they wouldn't have done anything to help the team anyway.
2) The entire coaching staff should sit down with the freshman class and lay it out for them. "We are not a good hockey team right now, but you have the ability to change that. You have 3 and a half years to turn this around." As a group, the coaches and freshmen class should map out where they want to be throughout that class's 4 years at Tech. Start small, and work their way up, by the end of this year, goals should be: Make championship game of GLI, win Carnival and finish with double digit wins. Also challenge that entire freshman class to win carnival MVP, get them motivated. By the end of next year, challenge the same kids to get to the final 5. After year 3, host a playoff series. For their senior year, make the NCAA's. Map all of this out for that class right now, so they all know what they are working towards, so that they don't get ahead of themselves and so they have a common source of motivation.
3) The leader of this freshmen group should have an "A" next year, maybe 2 of them get "A's". Give them leadership roles on the team, like it or not, Baker and Olson aren't pulling Tech out of this hole, they don't have enough time. Hand the team over to this group, that up until this point, appears very capable.

My hope is by doing this, you end up with a class that doesn't say "**** it, we suck" and give up 2 months into their Junior year. We all know that the Freshmen class is the future of this team, one way or another (and I'll add, no matter who the coach is), why not give them the keys right away and see what they can do and make it clear to them that this is going to be a 4 year process. The program needs to find something to start building on, and this is the only way I can think of to make that happen.