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Howitz-ah
11-08-2010, 12:52 AM
For what is going on at Maine?

Even when you're dealing with defections, when you're constantly bringing in such high end talent, it's easy to stay somewhere in the mix.

When Inside College Hockey released their annual recruitment rankings, it made me think....boy, it's a been a long time since Maine has had a class register. And yet here they are, competing alongside the rest of the top 10 playing a high level of hockey. Aside from Nyquist, where is their star power?

None of Maine's current 4 classes registered on Inside College Hockey's Top 15 for their respective year, so it made a buddy of mine intrigued to create a spread sheet of cumulative recruiting rankings over the past 4 years and check out some correlations. Yea, I know, we're pretty cool :cool:. Slow *** day at work, I believe its called ;)

A 1st place vote got 15 points, a 15th place vote got 1 point and so forth....and 3 points were given for each year the team registered. Here were our results...

Boston University... 62
Denver...56
Minnesota... 55
Boston College... 54
Notre Dame... 50
North Dakota... 49
Michigan... 49
Wisconsin... 42
St Cloud... 30
UNH... 28
Minnesota-Duluth... 28
Michigan State... 27
RPI... 21
Ohio State... 17
Clarkson... 14
Harvard... 14
Miami... 12
Cornell... 10
Colorado College... 10
Nebraska-Omaha... 9
Vermont... 8
St Lawrence... 6
Yale... 5
Ferris State... 4
Maine... 0

And yet, here we are, hanging out uninvited, in their top 10.

It's one thing to bring in elite pro prospects and dominate.
It's another to bring in a bunch of kids off the radar and coach them up to such a high level. A similar shoutout to the likes of Alaska, Union, hell even the 'Mack... as well as low registering teams like Yale, UNO, and yes, Miami.

Could it be that Timbo is due for a little credit?!?! Or am I on drugs :p:rolleyes::D

sandiegoblkbr
11-08-2010, 01:09 AM
Yes, he does deserve credit. They've changed their recruiting tactics (from Canadians hell-bent on playing Juniors to a mix of smallish Canadians and Americans that fly under the radar), they've changed the make-up of their team (from slow, untalented grinders to BC-like dwarfs with speed and skill), and they've changed their style of play (up and down and to the net instead of pass, pass, pass, pass, pass.......turn over or shoot wide).

As far as that list goes........

#3 Minnesota - has stunk for multiple years
#5 Notre Dame - remind me what they have done?
#9 St. Cloud - still a wannabe
#10 UNH - University of No Hardware
#11 UMD - see #9 and #10
#13-#16 RPI, Ohio State, Clarkson, Harvard - don't make me laugh
Vermont, St. Lawrence, Yale, Ferris State?......lol.

Howitz-ah
11-08-2010, 02:21 AM
Yale......lol.

Sitting higher than us in the polls! :)

I agree with most of the rest, just sayin!

walrus
11-08-2010, 05:40 AM
Could it be that Timbo is due for a little credit?!?! Or am I on drugs :p:rolleyes::D
The easy answer is yes, but look back over the past 3 seasons and it gets cloudy, I'll leave it at that

acs64
11-08-2010, 07:29 AM
Not only do we not need to recruit well, we hardly need a coach. Maine hawkey, that aura that follows us everywhere regardless of players and coaches, just plain rules. ;) Coming soon to a theatre near you.

northeastern
11-08-2010, 09:36 AM
Tim Whitehead reminds me of Bill Belichek (personality wise anyway).. unassuming, not seeking the spotlight, just a solid nuts & bolts guy.. quietly at work.

Dmann
11-08-2010, 09:48 AM
It's one thing to bring in elite pro prospects and dominate.
It's another to bring in a bunch of kids off the radar and coach them up to such a high level. A similar shoutout to the likes of Alaska, Union, hell even the 'Mack... as well as low registering teams like Yale, UNO, and yes, Miami.
Could it be that Timbo is due for a little credit?!?! Or am I on drugs :p:rolleyes::D

We had the same thing going on in Denver in 2004. Mostly unknown four year players under the radar. Blue collar, hard working grinders. Then in 2005 we got Carle and Statsny and from that point on we started getting blue chippers. The problem is, they all defect after two years or so: Bozak, Chevrie, Colbourne to name a few. I see this years Black Bears the same kind of group we had in 2004. I think Maine has a very good chance this season.

Potato in NH
11-08-2010, 11:44 AM
Tim Whitehead reminds me of Bill Belichek (personality wise anyway).. unassuming, not seeking the spotlight, just a solid nuts & bolts guy.. quietly at work.

Wow.

Runsub5
11-08-2010, 12:08 PM
The answer is yes on giving Tim credit. When Maine started their decline it started with recruiting players without on ice leadership. Tim brought in Corkum as top assistant and started selecting quick hard working players with on ice character. Fierce competitors who are coachable. While big physical players are necessary for the NHL it doesn't always work out at the college level.

acs64
11-08-2010, 02:21 PM
Obviously a student of some other skewl started this thread in an attempt to confuse us Mainuhs. Seems to be working. :D

BobF
11-09-2010, 07:37 PM
And we should all note that this Tim "apologist" did not start this thread, but certainly is enjoying it!:D

We have a very good hockey team and I look forward to every weekend! This one needs to be 4 points, NU is struggling and we need step on their throats!

fiqure8
11-09-2010, 07:58 PM
The answer is yes on giving Tim credit. When Maine started their decline it started with recruiting players without on ice leadership. Tim brought in Corkum as top assistant and started selecting quick hard working players with on ice character. Fierce competitors who are coachable. While big physical players are necessary for the NHL it doesn't always work out at the college level.

Monarch Connection ? Other than Nyquist, Spencer?

irishfan85
11-09-2010, 08:00 PM
Monarch Connection ? Other than Nyquist, Spencer?

Huh? Flynn, Nemec, Beattie, Shemansky, Mangene...all former Jr Monarchs... Nyquist and Abbott didn't play for the Monarchs.

walrus
11-09-2010, 08:05 PM
And we should all note that this Tim "apologist" did not start this thread, but certainly is enjoying it!:D

We have a very good hockey team and I look forward to every weekend! This one needs to be 4 points, NU is struggling and we need step on their throats!

I can understand that seeing as you spent the last 3 years apologizing:D

sandiegoblkbr
11-09-2010, 08:52 PM
Huh? Flynn, Nemec, Beattie, Shemansky, Mangene...all former Jr Monarchs... Nyquist and Abbott didn't play for the Monarchs.

And coming soon.......Rutt, Brown and Morgan. I'll take 'em!

AMC
11-09-2010, 08:59 PM
Obviously a student of some other skewl started this thread in an attempt to confuse us Mainuhs. Seems to be working. :D

Obviously. He counted above 20! I don't have that many toes. :D

lkenney
11-09-2010, 09:11 PM
Of course he deserves credit. I think Walrus should bring an I HEART TIMMAY!!!!! sign with him on Friday night.

bearsFan93
11-09-2010, 09:28 PM
I remember at the beginning of last season there was a lot of talk about how he would look good after destroying the program then bringing it back to national prominence. As far as recruiting classes go, Maine has one of the most talented rosters in college hockey, yes Timmay has helped develop him players, though incredible amounts of talent can't be coached. Maines recruiting classes and talent levels are just underrated in the eyes of INCH, though Timmay definitely does deserve credit, and if he continues coaching the way he has been lately, he deserves fan support and to continue his tenure at Maine.

bearsFan93
11-09-2010, 09:30 PM
And the team chemistry is just phenomenal

Howitz-ah
11-09-2010, 11:29 PM
And the team chemistry is just phenomenal

True, but familiar and effective systems are a part of chemistry.

As far as what you said before: I'll agree that Maine's classes may have been a little underrated, but there were guys like Flynn that weren't really recruited by anyone. I just think that Monarch connection helped our coaches spot a guy like him late and see some coachable potential.

Similarly...the OJHL has a real tendancy to have 100 scorers with inflated numbers that you have to take with a grain of salt because its a ****ty league for goaltending. There are so many players that average 2 points/game in that league and do diddly squat in college. Spencer was a league leader in scoring up there, and yet, most "experts" didn't think he'd be anything too special at Maine, and now here he is. Sure, he's got a laser and the occasional effective deke, but you can't tell me that kid hasn't benefitted from Maine's staff. Watch some tapes of him playing as a freshman and him playing this year and tell me that kid hasn't developed. I remember wanting to burn him at the stake for his lackluster care about the other two zones. He makes plays in all 3 zones these days.