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Osorojo
11-02-2010, 10:45 AM
"Charging . . . shall mean the actions of a player or goalkeeper who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner." - NHL Rulebook

"Charging is the action of a player, who as a result of distance traveled, checks an opponent violently in any manner from the front or side." NCAA Rulebook section 6.a

The "more than two steps" and "jump" are (NCAA only) guidelines, not the definition of charging. A player who has been coasting for some distance but is still traveling at a considerable speed and violently collides with an opposing player should be penalized for charging. Every hockey player, no matter how skilled, will sooner or later look down to relocate a puck around his feet. The intent of the charging penalty is to protect such players. Unfortunately, mistakes are made in both judgment and action - by all of us.

Nick Papagiorgio
11-02-2010, 10:56 AM
Unfortunately, mistakes are made in both judgment and action - by all of us.

Speak for yourself. I don't make mistakes.

St. Clown
11-02-2010, 11:33 AM
For the sake of comedy, does this have an origin or are you just posting the NCAA & NHL rulebooks and then giving your interpretation of them as a public service? I mean, there is a point to all of this, right?

Erix_The_Red
11-02-2010, 01:35 PM
I mean, there is a point to all of this, right?

I would assume it's related to the fans saying Brad Malone's hit on Jesse Martin was clean. It wasn't.

Dirty
11-02-2010, 01:41 PM
You know what happens when you assume. You make an *** out of you and a guy named Osorojo.

FlagDUDE08
11-02-2010, 01:52 PM
You know what happens when you assume. You make an *** out of you and a guy named Osorojo.

What's wrong with the second half of that? :D

But seriously, I wonder if Bear Red knows how to contribute to an already existing thread rather than create a new one.

cross cheque
11-02-2010, 02:09 PM
What's wrong with the second half of that? :D

But seriously, I wonder if Bear Red knows how to contribute to an already existing thread rather than create a new one.

Malone's hit was a charge and osorojo is:


Osorojo:

1. A person or animal that suffers from severe mental retardation. 2. Someone who should be culled from society so that their genetics are prevented from being passed on to future generations, for the good of humanity.
i.e. John is a complete osorojo, after listening to what he just said it is obvious that he is too stupid to allow to procreate.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=osorojo

Osorojo
11-02-2010, 02:21 PM
There's been a lot of feeble speculation about what constitutes "charging," including the false contention that the offending player must be seen to take more than two steps. I would gladly have posted the NHL/NCAA rules for "charging" if I had found a thread dealing with the specific contents of hockey rulebooks rather than personal beliefs or personal animosities. Please provide me with the title of such a thread - I mean rulebook contents, not personal denigration.

FlagDUDE08
11-02-2010, 03:25 PM
There's been a lot of feeble speculation about what constitutes "charging," including the false contention that the offending player must be seen to take more than two steps. I would gladly have posted the NHL/NCAA rules for "charging" if I had found a thread dealing with the specific contents of hockey rulebooks rather than personal beliefs or personal animosities. Please provide me with the title of such a thread - I mean rulebook contents, not personal denigration.

Where has there been feeble speculation? Somewhere on this forum on a different thread? If so, I would think that particular thread, where the conversation regarding charging is taking place, is the best place to put said information. Yes, there are thread topics and some people like to see them as dogma, but we do tend to go on a tangent for a couple of posts to explain something that was brought up while discussing the topic.

komey1
11-02-2010, 04:22 PM
On my team, the guy is hard-nosed and puts his body on the line for the team. On your team, he is an out of control goon out to hurt people. :D

LtPowers
11-02-2010, 04:48 PM
I'm confused by this rule. How can a violent hit be the result of distance traveled? The distance traveled has absolutely zero direct effect on the violence of a collision -- only relative velocity and relative mass matter. To the extent distance has an indirect effect, it would allow more acceleration time (increasing velocity) or increase friction (decreasing velocity), but I don't see either one being able to be described as the direct cause of the hit.


Powers &8^]

MinnesotaNorthStar
11-02-2010, 06:42 PM
On my team, the guy is hard-nosed and puts his body on the line for the team. On your team, he is an out of control goon out to hurt people. :DThis. :D

komey1 takes the lead.

cross cheque
11-02-2010, 06:50 PM
On my team, the guy is hard-nosed and puts his body on the line for the team. On your team, he is an out of control goon out to hurt people. :D

Um excuse me, ahem excuse me! Common sense is not allowed in osorojo's threads.

Dude Love
11-02-2010, 06:53 PM
On my team, the guy is hard-nosed and puts his body on the line for the team. On your team, he is an out of control goon out to hurt people. :D

Like Aaron Marvin?

cross cheque
11-02-2010, 06:57 PM
Like Aaron Marvin?

Ugh, that's gonna start the whole thing over again! I don't want to read 5 pages of Erin Marvin bashing, please take it down, puhhhhleeeeeeease!

Dirty
11-02-2010, 07:14 PM
Suppose Osorojo was standing at the faceoff circle with Brad Malone and Aaron Marvin behind the crease on the two ends of the arena. If Malone charged Osorojo and Marvin checked Osorojo from behind, who would complain?

Osorojo
11-02-2010, 08:30 PM
The common criterion of "distance traveled" in both the NHL and the NCAA rulebooks are probably an effort to discredit the old "three stride" misconception of what constitutes charging. If a player maintains much more speed than is necessary to check an opponent off the puck and this speed is maintained over a considerable distance, resulting in a violent collision, this may be interpreted as intent to injure. In any case, these ARE the words of current rules.
Not that the actual rules and regulations of college hockey are of particular interest to many posters on this site, who prefer to bolster their own egos by belittling the characters (not the ideas) of others. You may confirm this sad fact by comparing the number of posts which cite the actual rules and regulations of college hockey to the number of posts which indulge in unprovoked character assassination.

Dirty
11-02-2010, 08:35 PM
I just realized something. Osorojo is looking up things on his own! This a momentous step for him. We should all congratulate him.
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9080/congratulationscomment1.gif (http://img175.imageshack.us/i/congratulationscomment1.gif/)

SteveP
11-03-2010, 08:56 AM
I would assume it's related to the fans saying Brad Malone's hit on Jesse Martin was clean. It wasn't.

Many of us don't agree with you.

More importantly, Jesse Martin doesn't agree with you (http://www.uscho.com/2010/11/02/martin-talks-to-malone-says-hit-was-clean/#ixzz14DvI5v8o).


Lying in a hospital bed with a halo keeping his neck stable, Denver’s Jesse Martin harbors no ill will toward North Dakota’s Brad Malone.

It was Malone’s hit that knocked Martin out of Saturday’s game and probably ended his career, but according to the Denver Post, Martin spoke to Malone for 10 minutes Monday and told him the hit in question wasn’t dirty.

“Jesse had heard Brad was having a tough time, and he wanted Brad to know he had no hard feelings,” Martin’s father, Terry, said in a phone interview with the Post. “Jesse doesn’t think it was an illegal hit, and he wanted Brad to know that.”

goldy_331
11-03-2010, 09:51 AM
Suppose Osorojo was standing at the faceoff circle with Brad Malone and Aaron Marvin behind the crease on the two ends of the arena. If Malone charged Osorojo and Marvin checked Osorojo from behind, who would complain?

I wouldn't complain about the result, but I'd want both those hacks banned for general principals.;)