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Hokydad
12-22-2011, 07:14 AM
Read this artice and interview from last year when MV and Malden Catholic won the Super 8 title.
It is obvious that RESPECT and being treated directly with is important. Also notice who called him after they won......
Look at the loyalty he shows Serino etc. He was offered a spot at UNH for the fall of 2012, did everything he was asked to do. Was dealt with dishonestly and moved on. He has every right to say that.

Very loyal to school and players. Never thought about leaving and going to prep or juniors like others did. Told Serino he would come there and stay four years and win a Super 8, which he did.


Malden Catholic hockey senior captain Mike Vecchione leads teammates to championship.



By Joe McConnell/Wicked Local Saugus

GateHouse News Service

Posted Mar 23, 2011 @ 11:24 PM






Saugus —


Malden Catholic completed its preseason goal with an electrifying, pulsating Super 8 championship clash against Catholic Conference rival St. John’s Prep of Danvers. The Lancers never led in the game tying the Eagles twice, the last time after trailing by two late in the second period. The game went to sudden death overtime, before junior Brendan Collier ended things with a goal at the 7:10 mark of the extra session to beat the Prep, 4-3.

Saugus sports fans had plenty of rooting interest with four of their own playing roles on the title team, led by senior captain Mike Vecchione. Head Coach Chris Serino, who’s another Saugonian, will no doubt miss Vecchione, who’s slated to play juniors next year, before joining the University of New Hampshire in time to begin the 2012-13 season. But he has freshman defenseman Andrew Cross and sophomore forward Cam Ferry coming back as his Saugus connection next year hopefully to duplicate the championship heroics.

Defenseman Joe Sullivan, rounding out the Saugus quartet on the squad, is Vecchione’s classmate, who also had a role in MC’s road to the title.

Vecchione was the only Lancer, who had ever skated at Boston Garden before last Sunday night, when as a freshman MC settled for silver after Reading upset them for the title. But he made sure he was leaving with nothing less than gold this year, helping his teammates with a goal and an assist, not to mention the intangibles that come with being a captain.

Vecchione is not only wearing gold today, but he’s also a part of history, something he doesn’t take for granted. It’s MC’s first Super 8 title, and also its first state championship in the sport since 1974.

“It’s a great feeling to be a part of history,” said Vecchione, who amassed 82 points while playing on the first line with sophomore Ryan Fitzgerald (76 points) and Collier (72). Together, they also combined for 68 goals. As a team, the Lancers scored 145 times during the regular season.

Vecchione added: “The school has treated me well, and with a great deal of respect, and so it’s nice to give something back to the school that they never had before.”

The school also appreciates what Vecchione and his teammates were able to accomplish. They started applauding when any one of us would walk into a classroom the day after the Sunday championship, but Vecchione understands if it wasn’t for their support they might not have been able to seal the deal.

“They were the happiest kids in the world, when they would see us walk into a classroom, but they are the ones who were there for us through thick and thin,” added Vecchione. “I’m definitely proud of them.”

Vecchione remembers where he was when Collier’s goal changed the course of history at the school. He was skating in behind him near the right face-off circle looking for a possible rebound.

“[Collier] was skating at full speed, and after the puck went in he dove and then I dove on top of him, followed by the rest of the team,” Vecchione said.

The Saugus native also recalls that he wasn’t feeling too good being at the bottom of the pig-pile, but it was all worth it to eventually skate off the ice with the gold and the state championship trophy.

“It was an evenly matched game, and you couldn’t ask for a better final,” Vecchione said. “We were No. 1 at the beginning of the season, and we took our share of criticism from others, and they also didn’t want us to win. They’d say we recruit, or everybody’s on scholarship, but we stayed focused, and were able to bring the program to a new level. It was a huge weight off of our shoulders.”

Next year, Vecchione will be on the move playing junior hockey for either the Tri-City Storm in the United States Hockey League, or the Westside Warriors in the British Columbia League, as he hones his skills for UNH and Hockey East.

“I’ll be going away to play juniors for a year, before coming home to UNH,” Vecchione said.

“After we won the state title, I got a call from Dick Umile (the UNH head coach) and his assistant David Lassonde congratulating me,” added the Saugus native. “They will have a say in where I’ll be playing next year, but Chris (Serino) is my backbone, my communicator and architect, who will help set everything up for me.”

Vecchione knows he might have to wait a couple of weeks before sitting down with Umile and Serino to determine his next destination, while the Wildcats are participating in the NCAA tournament, which starts this weekend for them in Manchester, N.H., where Vecchione has been invited to the games to check out his future new program.

Aerman
12-22-2011, 08:22 AM
He has every right to say that.

Of course, free speech and all that. Doesn't make it the smart play and does say something about him. Kids are maturing slower and slower all the time - when I was 18 I was smart enough to keep my mouth shut.

Was feeling bad for the kid until now.

Still not happy with the coaches. This may be my turning point with them. :(

Aerman
12-22-2011, 08:35 AM
You’re the 1st instate applicant where I have heard this story. But it is similar to out of state stories where I know the background.

I am not sure it is tougher standards but a screw ball inconsistency at work. Must drive the coaches nuts.

Something that can't be discounted in the general discussion is that admission is not actually to the university, unless you're undeclared (I assume). If you apply for a particular major your admission is to a college and their criteria does differ. Engineering is significantly more difficult than some of the other colleges. Timing is also relevant. Your credentials may not matter if the school has filled its quota and you're late to the party.

That said, it probably doesn't apply too often to the athlete applicants (ooh, intellectual bias!). And, while we're on the subject, basketball and football have suffered similarly with this Dean of Admissions. I think it's just less obvious because we don't pay a lot of attention to b-ball and the football team is so much bigger that the impact is smaller. There was, however, an admissions issue with a prized QB recruit not too long ago.

Ne'ertheless, the Gaudreau situation was shameful and Huddleston should wake up and weigh in.

Two more cents from the peanut gallery...

Hokydad
12-22-2011, 09:12 AM
Of course, free speech and all that. Doesn't make it the smart play and does say something about him. Kids are maturing slower and slower all the time - when I was 18 I was smart enough to keep my mouth shut.

Was feeling bad for the kid until now.

Still not happy with the coaches. This may be my turning point with them. :(

you were feeling bad until you heard the truth? unusual reaction. i doubt when you were 18 you were in situations like these players

Why would it be his job to cover up and protect them for being dishonest?

Wildcat13
12-22-2011, 10:49 PM
We get it...he could punt a puppy off a building and push an old lady down a flight of stairs and you'd say they had it coming and MV was just sticking up for what he believed in.

Fine, he felt like he was misled. He's entitled to feel that way, but there in itself is the problem. He went on a public forum labeled an entire program as "dishonest" because of how he "felt". That's a mighty big accusation to lay down on a feeling. You better be **** sure that the people you're talking about are really dishonest and have INTENTIONALLY misled you...not an honest miscommunication...not a case of a player and his parents hearing what they want to hear...but flat out purposely led someone to believe one thing and then did another with malicious intent before you hit someone with an accusation like that.

I'm sure coaches around the country feel like they deal with dishonest players all the time. Guys who change commitments...guys who agree to take visits and then commit to another school before they do. Guys who say they are going to class and doing well and then end up not making grades. I've yet to see one of them go on twitter and label one of those kids dishonest and try to hurt their reputation in a public forum.

That smacks of a sense of entitlement and someone who doesn't know how to handle their affairs with class and dignity. Quite possibly someone who has had their parents handle all their problems and coddle them for the last 18 years so they don't know how deal with adversity and not getting their way because someone is always there to tell them it's not their fault and everyone else is wrong. Not exactly the kind of person I'd want in my locker room.

I really do hope he lands on his feet and has a nice career. By all accounts he's a fantastic hockey player with a ton of potential. I also hope that he learns that there is a right and wrong way to deal with people and situations, even when you think you've been wronged. There was no reason for him to talk about this on twitter, facebook, or anywhere else. He did what he thought was right, and should have left it at that.

very well said!

Hokydad
12-23-2011, 05:50 PM
very well said!

Actually they are comments from a fool with zero facts or info. Simply throwing out what if's like thay have any basis for discussion

"You better be **** sure that the people you're talking about are really dishonest and have INTENTIONALLY misled you...not an honest miscommunication...not a case of a player and his parents hearing what they want to hear...but flat out purposely led someone to believe one thing and then did another with malicious intent before you hit someone with an accusation like that. "

He didnt feel anything, he was misled, period. Not a gray area...

Happy holidays

Wildcat13
12-23-2011, 08:39 PM
Actually they are comments from a fool with zero facts or info. Simply throwing out what if's like thay have any basis for discussion

"You better be **** sure that the people you're talking about are really dishonest and have INTENTIONALLY misled you...not an honest miscommunication...not a case of a player and his parents hearing what they want to hear...but flat out purposely led someone to believe one thing and then did another with malicious intent before you hit someone with an accusation like that. "

He didnt feel anything, he was misled, period. Not a gray area...

Happy holidays

I have to disagree. You have an obvious bias in this situation thus making your opinion less valid. I have only met coach Umile on a couple occasions so I can't say I really know him. However, I do know people who do know him well and dishonesty is the last way he would ever be described. Seeing that UNH is not allowed to speak on the situation it is unfair of MV to take advantage to share his views about UNH via twitter. I find that behavior far from what I would ever consider as depicting a leader. In my world, leaders don't conduct themselves in that manner.

I would have loved to have MV a wildcat but I can't agree with his public attack on UNH regardless of this situation.

Hokydad
12-23-2011, 10:06 PM
I have to disagree. You have an obvious bias in this situation thus making your opinion less valid. I have only met coach Umile on a couple occasions so I can't say I really know him. However, I do know people who do know him well and dishonesty is the last way he would ever be described. Seeing that UNH is not allowed to speak on the situation it is unfair of MV to take advantage to share his views about UNH via twitter. I find that behavior far from what I would ever consider as depicting a leader. In my world, leaders don't conduct themselves in that manner.

I would have loved to have MV a wildcat but I can't agree with his public attack on UNH regardless of this situation.

Maybe he isnt talking about Umile

The truth will set you free my friend and a kid stating why he didnt go to the school he dreamed his entire life about is his right. He didnt share a view, he stated a fact. A kids entire future is changed and he has to go in a complete different direction and you want him to "take the high road" and shut up. Just go away and pretend everything is fine. What a crock of sh**

If a kid feels he was intentionally misled and states it, good for him. You are being naive to think otherwise. Zero to do with being to close to the situation.

PPGuru
12-23-2011, 10:19 PM
Wildcat - I don't think you are being entirely fair in your argument here. You think Hokydad has an obvious bias in this case. You think MV has talked inappropriately. Who gets to pass judgment on you? Maybe Hokydad is somewhat close to MV. Maybe he's only as close as you are to Umile. You say that MV based his remarks about UNH/Umile on a feeling. I think it is more like he based his remarks on his DEALINGS with UNH. Also, MV probably didn't expect his tweet to be as public a remark as it became. Blame it on youth and inexperience. Maybe he was naive enough to think that it was a private conversation. Hopefully he will learn from this. You seem to want MV and Hokydad to use your reasoning for their argument. That's how it strikes me, anyway. Carry on!

dover4345
12-23-2011, 10:25 PM
Hokydad,

You clearly have a relationship with MV that is not allowing you to see the situation for what it truly is. The UNH staff has great pressure placed on them to win hockey games--especially now as they are in the middle of their first potential losing season in years. Here is what happened...

When MV committed to UNH the UNH staff felt he would be ready to contribute in the fall of 2012

After seeing him play serveral times this year against real competition in the USHL they did not feel as though he would be ready to contribute next season. They felt he was not good enough to be in the line-up.

For his own development, they asked themselves--would it be better for MV to play another year in the USHL or come in next season and sit in the stands every game? They felt it would be better for him to be in the USHL.

They were honest with MV and told him that they did not feel he was ready to be at UNH in 2012 and if he did come in he would not play. MV did not want to hear this and thus decommitted. MV felt his committment for the fall of 2012 meant he would come in and play--that is not the case with any committment. If MV was able to contribute to the success of the UNH program next season why would they not bring him in? The fact is that he is not ready--and they told him that--and he was not happy to hear the truth...Calling the coaches "dishonest" could not be farther from the truth. I assure you, when he committed to the program the staff truly hoped he would be prepared to contribute in the 2012, but as his numbers in the USHL cleary indicate he is not prepared. He plays on the worst team in the league and is 6th in scoring among forwards---if he was on a top team he would be playing a 3rd/4th line role.

You speak of him as though he is a top recruit. Why has every NHL team passed him over in the draft? Why is he not ranked on central scouting this season? Why was he not invited to the NTDP final 40 camp over the years? The answer to those questions is because he is not good enough. He is a solid player--but not a top recruit. At some point he will contribute to the success of a college program--but I do not believe it will be next season.

You also have stated that prep school hockey is not as good as the CC. This statement is simply ludacris. There is a HUGE drop off in talent if you take Malden Catholic and CM out of the equation. The fact that you made that statement simply shows how bias you truly are. Prep School hockey currently has 36 players committed to Division 1 schools compared to 3 in the CC. I recently watched KUA vs. Salisbury at the Flood Marr tourney and I think every NHL team was represented in the building along with the majority of eastern based US colleges--you can not even compare the two leagues. Yes, MC and CM would be competitive in the prep hockey, but they wouldnt be top teams and after them there is a serious drop off.

I look forward to seeing which school MV commits to for next season in the near future--as you stated he already has several offers to attend schools that have had greater success than UNH--I wouldnt expect he is home for Christmas and probably narrowing his choice down now and we can expect to see his committment anyday? In fact, I am surprised that BC or BU have not scooped the blue chipper up already.

Hokydad
12-23-2011, 10:31 PM
At the end of the day, UNH lost a very solid kid and player. He is the one standing there over the holidays with no tgeam and has to pick up his bag and start over. Did so out of principal. UNH will "carry on" and probably wont miss a beat. To say a kid doesnt have the right to say why and be direct about it is absurd.

PPGuru and Wildcat, happy holidays and good luck.

dover4345
12-23-2011, 10:40 PM
I can appreciate your response there--and I am sure he is a great guy--at no point have I questioned his character. But you have said over and over again how he was misled and the situation was handled in a dishonest fashion. If the staff went out and saw him play--which they did--and did not think he was good enough to be in the line up next season what should they have done? Kept their mouths shut and put him in the stands every game? I think they were VERY honest and let the kid know exactly where he stood. Clearly you do not agree with their assessment, but they must know what they are talking about as the program is one of the most successful in college hockey. Also-you show no evidence as to why the CC is better than prep hockey--you simply state that as if it was fact. I show you evidence that clearly favors prep hockey being far better and you have no response? Why so quiet all of a sudden?

Wildcat13
12-23-2011, 10:50 PM
Maybe he isnt talking about Umile

The truth will set you free my friend and a kid stating why he didnt go to the school he dreamed his entire life about is his right. He didnt share a view, he stated a fact. A kids entire future is changed and he has to go in a complete different direction and you want him to "take the high road" and shut up. Just go away and pretend everything is fine. What a crock of sh**

If a kid feels he was intentionally misled and states it, good for him. You are being naive to think otherwise. Zero to do with being to close to the situation.

Are you serious? This is a disagreement between UNH and MV about 2012 readiness. Period. You make it sound like UNH has ruined his life forever. He will find someone else who will allow him to play hockey and fully cover his tuition. I am sure many young men and women who have worked equally as hard in their life would love such an option. His criticism of UNH when only his side of the story can be told is wrong. It certainly does not make him a bad kid but it is wrong nonetheless.

dover4345
12-23-2011, 10:53 PM
At the end of the day, UNH lost a very solid kid and player. He is the one standing there over the holidays with no tgeam and has to pick up his bag and start over. Did so out of principal. UNH will "carry on" and probably wont miss a beat. To say a kid doesnt have the right to say why and be direct about it is absurd.

PPGuru and Wildcat, happy holidays and good luck.

And I do feel for the kid that he is in his current situation. But it was his choice. He could have said to himself, "you know what, I have a long ways to go until I have mastered the level of play in the USHL. If the coaching staff at UNH feels it is best for my development to play another year in the USHL then I will trust them." MV is not the first player in college hockey to be told he is not ready and should play another year. Grayson Downing was told the same thing and he handled it much better than MV and now is having alot of success in his first year at UNH.

Carmine Scarpaglia
12-23-2011, 11:47 PM
it is unfair of MV to take advantage to share his views about UNH via twitter.

What is it with you UNH bozos and whining about "unfair" every time something doesn't work out with a recruit? Get a grip and step back into reality for a minute. There is no fair and unfair. They had an issue. He spoke his mind about it. If he is telling the truth, and I would bet he is, then where is the problem?

Carmine Scarpaglia
12-23-2011, 11:54 PM
they must know what they are talking about as the program is one of the most successful in college hockey.

In October?

Hokydad
12-24-2011, 02:39 AM
And I do feel for the kid that he is in his current situation. But it was his choice. He could have said to himself, "you know what, I have a long ways to go until I have mastered the level of play in the USHL. If the coaching staff at UNH feels it is best for my development to play another year in the USHL then I will trust them." MV is not the first player in college hockey to be told he is not ready and should play another year. Grayson Downing was told the same thing and he handled it much better than MV and now is having alot of success in his first year at UNH.

You write a lot of quality comments and so forth but you are missing one critical aspect, >>> The facts

If you think for a second, they watched him play, felt he was not ready and said as much directly, you are sadly mistaken. If what you wrote happened, neither party would be in this situation today.
This is what happens when people jump to conclusions and write stuff based upon assumptions. If you think they were "very honest" etc, you again are without facts.
To also assume they wont and already have not placed a spun version of what happened out there, you are again not living in reality.

In the end it doesnt matter to UNH, they will move on and replace his spot with a dman for 2012. MV I am sure will end up somewhere solid+ Someone asked him why he decommitted, he answered. Good for him.

I could care less about prep vs cc hockey. More kids over past 3 years from MC, CM and SJP over past 2+ years getting D 1 deals vs Andover, Exeter and Govenors. Did you ever think that was possible? Prep is a shell of where it was 10 years ago and CC has taken off. My opinion and your opinion does not matter, the college coaches do and they agree

dover4345
12-24-2011, 10:56 AM
You write a lot of quality comments and so forth but you are missing one critical aspect, >>> The facts

If you think for a second, they watched him play, felt he was not ready and said as much directly, you are sadly mistaken. If what you wrote happened, neither party would be in this situation today.
This is what happens when people jump to conclusions and write stuff based upon assumptions. If you think they were "very honest" etc, you again are without facts.
To also assume they wont and already have not placed a spun version of what happened out there, you are again not living in reality.

In the end it doesnt matter to UNH, they will move on and replace his spot with a dman for 2012. MV I am sure will end up somewhere solid+ Someone asked him why he decommitted, he answered. Good for him.

I could care less about prep vs cc hockey. More kids over past 3 years from MC, CM and SJP over past 2+ years getting D 1 deals vs Andover, Exeter and Govenors. Did you ever think that was possible? Prep is a shell of where it was 10 years ago and CC has taken off. My opinion and your opinion does not matter, the college coaches do and they agree

What are the facts? They didnt feel like he was good enough to play next year, simple as that. If they felt he would help him then he would be going to UNH next year. You are attempting to make this more than it is. Clearly they were honest with the kid and told him the truth, thats why he decommitted. He wants to play at UNH next year--they didnt think he was ready--he got upset and decommitted. What more is there?

And I agree with you that prep is nowhere near where it was 10-15 years ago. But the CC is not what it used to be either, not even close. I remember Catholic Memorial in the late 90's, they used to have 5-10 kids going D1, you simply do not see that anymore. Both leagues have taken their bruises because the NTDP/USHL takes all the top kids. You give Exeter/Andover/Governors as your example that the CC is better. First off, Exeter would crush any team in the CC this year. Brian Hart, Will Goss and Matt Beattie are all D1 players and will be on D1 rosters next fall--no team in the CC can say that. You also pick on two teams in a down cycle--why not use Salisbury as your example? That team has 10+ D1 players on their roster--when was the last time a team in the CC has even come close to that? How about Nobles? They have Calnan, Gilmour, Doane, Boyle, White, Burke, and Wood--All D1 guys. You pick the best teams from the CC and compare them to the worst teams in prep--how about going apples to apples for a change? If SJP was so good then why would Eiserman leave to go to Cushing? He left because prep hockey is better and he wanted to challenge himself.

dover4345
12-24-2011, 11:06 AM
So if the recruits simply accept when the coaches break their promises that's the best?

I'm beginning to understand why recruits with options are jumping (Laleggia) and why "roll over kids" like Smith, Hill, Correale and Silengo are populating the roster.

Somehow citing Downing as an example of the coaches being right doesn't resonate. He stepped right in, but also would have done well last year and had a leg up on the soph jump this year (like Sorkin). And, as we see with Laleggia and MV, he could have gone elsewhere.

And you know this about Downing how? He is playing a top 6 role right now--that would not have happened last year with guys like Desimone, Sislo and Thompson still on the roster. He would have been on the 3rd or 4th line, just like Sorkin. I think he gets better playing in the BCHL and scoring 30+ goals than playing 3rd or 4th line at UNH and sitting in the stands the odd game.

And what do you mean when you say "breaking their promise?" The coaching staff agreed that MV would get 75% scholorship--that was the promise, and they did not break that promise. When a school commits to a player they do not "promise" that the player will get playing time when he arrives. In MV's case he was told he had 2 options--play another year in the USHL and improve, or come in to UNH and sit in the stands. What is so wrong with that? Just because they commit to a player they are obligated to bring him in and play him, even if they do not feel he is good enough?

UNH will get a better player with that cash...

Hokydad
12-24-2011, 11:37 AM
you have zero info and have no clue what happened. If that is how you think it was handled, you probabloy believed the text "mistakes" as well
not even going to bother responding. good luck..