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  • #91
    Re: Irish hockey '10-11-Everyone bets on a sure thing, but it takes guts not to fold.

    One of the the things that I am finding confusing is the way Notre Dame seems to be making the same mistakes, seems to be suffering in the same areas of the game, but the other team has not been able to take advantage to the point of winning the game. Still seeing too many turnovers, too many bad breakout passes/plays, and still not dominant at the faceoff dots (although that was much better last night, especially in the second and third periods after a rough start).

    Watching us in our own end, we looked the same against WMU as we did against BC, and as we did against LSSU. While I am glad to see the wins, I would like to see some improvement in a weak area or two. Of course the thing that needed the most work coming into the season was the chemistry, especially with so many new faces. That looks to be going quite well. Communication on this team is already better than at any point last year, and the boys are all competing. Hell, communication and competition alone will make for a successful season, no matter how many games they win.

    I liked the freshman line a lot too. Most energy of any group on the ice from either team. I liked how Summerhays picked up his game as the night wore on. I liked how the team didn't get frustrated (a couple of dumb penalties notwithstanding) despite the frustrating nature of the game. I can count on one hand the number of shift in the entire game where it looked like any one player tried to do too much. Patience. That's a good sign 6 games in, especially with such a young team.

    We've done some good things every night out so far this year, against a number of different kinds of teams. It'll get tougher from here on out. We weren't bad enough long enough to sneak up on anyone. By now the rest of college hockey realizes this team isn't going to be easy to play. So that means the workload will increase. They'll need to step up to meet the challenge.

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    • #92
      Re: Irish hockey '10-11-Everyone bets on a sure thing, but it takes guts not to fold.

      So I shelled out the money to watch this on WMU's site. No PBP. I could barely hear the PA announcer. Very strange. Got to watch the entire "game" and listened to the SO on the way to my game. Not a lot of forechecking. Not a lot of backchecking. Not a lot of shots.

      Did anyone else who watched or attended the game think it moved in slow motion? It was as if all the players were simply gliding along the ice. It was as if they were out of shape 40-something beer leaguers.

      However, I was pleased with the freshmen. Did anyone realize ND dressed 10 freshmen both nights? Ten. That's half the bench. Of the 14 points registered by ND this weekend, 10 went to freshmen. Ten. That's 71% of the points. Hell, 60% of Western's points came from freshmen. Bodes well for the futures of both teams.

      In the end, slow motion or not, I'm pleased with 5 of 6 points.

      Happy Halloween.
      "Hockey is the only tribe I belong to." --Jack Falla

      "Why, as a matter of fact, I suggested starting a hockey program to Father Callahan, our president. He was downright interested until we came to the use of sticks, and then he threw up his hands. He said, 'No, that game is not for our University. Notre Dame will never endorse any game that puts a club in the hands of an Irishman.' " -- Knute Rockne: All American

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      • #93
        Re: Irish hockey '10-11-Everyone bets on a sure thing, but it takes guts not to fold.

        Couple of thoughts come to mind after watching the last two games.

        The first thing is last year there is little chance we would have seen 5 points out of the weekend. There was just enough adversity in the two nights that I could have seen one or both games being coughed up. Its looking more and obvious that with all the new blood on the team there is not a lot left over from last year.

        The second thing is it looks like I may be worrying too much about the couple parts of the game where we still have a way to go. Good teams take advantage of what they do well, and minimize areas of weakness. Even championship caliber teams will have a weak spot. As long as they focus and keep playing hard, they'll continue to put themselves in a position to win. Early success like this will build confidence so they only get stronger, hopefully.

        As for the games themselves this weekend, one thing I think is very clear is that these two teams seem to have a genuine dislike for each other. There was real animosity in some of the post-whistle stuff, and when checks were delivered, there was some good old fashioned contempt in them. I get the feeling that if fighting was allowed in the NCAA, or if this was the old days from 3 decades ago, we would have seen some gloves dropped at some point.

        Next up is a BGSU team that we struggled with mightily last season. We didn't look good in any of the four meetings, and after going 15-0-1 against them from the start of Jackson's tenure, last year managed just one win in the four tries. They've been inconsistent and streaky this year. Go get 'em Irish!

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        • #94
          Re: Irish hockey '10-11-Everyone bets on a sure thing, but it takes guts not to fold.

          Originally posted by IrishHockeyFan View Post
          Couple of thoughts come to mind after watching the last two games.
          So was it just me or did Saturday's game appear to play out in slow motion???
          "Hockey is the only tribe I belong to." --Jack Falla

          "Why, as a matter of fact, I suggested starting a hockey program to Father Callahan, our president. He was downright interested until we came to the use of sticks, and then he threw up his hands. He said, 'No, that game is not for our University. Notre Dame will never endorse any game that puts a club in the hands of an Irishman.' " -- Knute Rockne: All American

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          • #95
            Re: Irish hockey '10-11-Everyone bets on a sure thing, but it takes guts not to fold.

            Originally posted by Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres. View Post
            So was it just me or did Saturday's game appear to play out in slow motion???
            I thought it plodded a little more than Friday, and certainly wasn't played at the frenetic pace of last weeks game with BC. I think Western played a little more to slow ND down than they did on Friday. I don't know I would go as far as to say slow motion, maybe just the typical Saturday game of a two game series with travel thrown in. Maybe not slow motion but construction zone speed?

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            • #96
              Re: Irish hockey '10-11-Everyone bets on a sure thing, but it takes guts not to fold.

              For those of us who "live and die" for our favorite college hockey team, there comes a time when that is secondary. And that time came to Pioneer fans this weekend.
              GRAND FORKS, N.D. — University of Denver center Jesse Martin sustained three neck fractures in Saturday night's hockey game at North Dakota and was transferred to a Minneapolis hospital this morning where doctors are deciding if emergency surgery is required to relieve swelling of the spinal cord, the player's father said.

              Read more: DU's Martin facing emergency surgery for broken neck - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_...#ixzz13z0LjWRS

              A new thread has been started
              "Pass on your best wishes to Jesse Martin here"
              GO DU !!!

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              • #97
                Re: Irish hockey '10-11-Everyone bets on a sure thing, but it takes guts not to fold.

                Okay. The interview with Joe Lavin (smiley. heart.) definitely seals it. He's my favorite this season. (sorry Calle...) But his major was my major as an undergrad! PoliSci, baby! Kindred spirits. I wonder if he loves Reese's peanut butter cups as much as I do?

                My posse and I are making our first road trip of the season. The only fear is that every time we travel to BG games, the temp plummets to well below freezing. I hope we're safe this weekend.

                For those wondering, Jesse Martin has feeling in his extremities. He made a phone call to Brad Malone. A hard call to make...and receive.
                "Hockey is the only tribe I belong to." --Jack Falla

                "Why, as a matter of fact, I suggested starting a hockey program to Father Callahan, our president. He was downright interested until we came to the use of sticks, and then he threw up his hands. He said, 'No, that game is not for our University. Notre Dame will never endorse any game that puts a club in the hands of an Irishman.' " -- Knute Rockne: All American

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                • #98
                  Re: Irish hockey '10-11-Everyone bets on a sure thing, but it takes guts not to fold.

                  And when she says well below freezing that is exactly what she means! I think the high in our last 3 trips to BGSU was a balmy 9 below 0. Yes , 41 degrees below freezing. I should be able to handle this trip as long as the temps stay above 20 degrees.

                  Here is hoping Jesse Martin continues to make progress!

                  And no one can love RPB cups as much as JJfP. The trick or treaters didn't get a one at her house.
                  Last edited by Third Family Member; 11-01-2010, 10:16 PM.
                  Cindy

                  God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
                  Courage to change the things I can,
                  And wisdom to know the difference.

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                  • #99
                    Re: Irish hockey '10-11-Everyone bets on a sure thing, but it takes guts not to fold.

                    Originally posted by Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres. View Post
                    Okay. The interview with Joe Lavin (smiley. heart.) definitely seals it. He's my favorite this season. (sorry Calle...)
                    I was pleased to see, twice I believe, he commented on putting off thinking about his future whereabouts, leading me to believe all he cares about -- at least as far as his hockey goes -- is how far can he lead THIS team. You can't argue with that mindset at all.

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                    • Re: Irish hockey '10-11-Everyone bets on a sure thing, but it takes guts not to fold.

                      Ah, election day. A day when pulling a lever is a tacit approval of the system. To quote Sir Winston Churchill, "Democracy is the worst form of government...except for all the others." Sports are the great equalizer. It doesn't matter if you are conservative or liberal. If you and I like (or hate) the same team, it's all good.

                      I have a few worries about this weekend. BG does not have a win in the league yet. It's gotta happen sometime. What if it's this weekend? Neither team averages even a 50% winning percentage in face offs. Who will win a majority? I tend to get speeding tickets in the state of Ohio. Will I get one this weekend?

                      As stated, ND averages 48% on face off wins. BG wins 45.6% of theirs. Eesh. ND is 5-1-1 (3-0-1-1 in the league). BG is 3-5-0 (0-4 in the league).

                      I like most of ND's stats. Most. They're averaging 3.57 GF. I like that. They give up 2.43 GA. I don't like that as much. Their PK is 89.7%. I like that. Their PP is 13.2%. I don't like that. They're 1-0 in the shootout. I don't like shootouts. ND averages a hair over 7 penalties/game. That's not too many, but their opponents average under 7 a game. I don't like that.

                      BG is averaging 2.12 GF while giving up 3.25 GA. Their special teams need work as their PP is clicking at a 4.5% rate while their PK succeeds 72.5% of the time. They seem pretty disciplined, taking only about 5.5 penalties/game.

                      ND is led by senior Ryan Guentzel who has 9 points. I like that. Leading the juniors is Sean Lorenz, with only 3 points. Leading the sophomores is Nick Larson with 5 points. And for the freshmen, it's Anders Lee with 8 points. He also leads the team in goals (6) and is the CCHA rookie of the month for October. I like all of that.

                      BG is led by sophomore Jordan Samuels-Thomas with 6 points. The junior class is led by James McIntosh with 2 points. David Solway leads the seniors with 4 and leads the team with 3 goals. Mike Fink is the top new guy with 3 points.

                      It's interesting to note that for several CCHA teams, the least productive class is the junior class. Same goes for ND and BG. Lorenz is 11th on the team in scoring and McIntosh is 9th on BG's stats sheet.

                      I'm wondering about goalies this weekend. Will we see 2 different goalies for ND? Mike Johnson has a GA of 1.97 and a save % of .934 while Steven Summerhays has a GA of 3.54 and a save % of .844. Summerhays needs to bring his GA down and his save % up if he ever wants to go up against a team like Miami who averages a zillion goals for.

                      BG has been employing both goalies each weekend. Sophomore Andrew Hammond (who has greatly improved from last season) has been in net Fridays, while senior Nick Eno has worked Saturday nights. I actually wouldn't be surprised to see Hammond in net both nights as his numbers are more solid than Eno's. He has a GA of 2.57 and a save % of .919 compared to Eno's GA of 3.77 and save % of .867.

                      I agree with IHF that it's impressive that Cap'n Lavin is focusing on this team right now. JC Penney said it best, "Give me a stock boy who has goals and I'll show you a man who will make history. Give me a man with no goals and I'll show you a stock boy."
                      "Hockey is the only tribe I belong to." --Jack Falla

                      "Why, as a matter of fact, I suggested starting a hockey program to Father Callahan, our president. He was downright interested until we came to the use of sticks, and then he threw up his hands. He said, 'No, that game is not for our University. Notre Dame will never endorse any game that puts a club in the hands of an Irishman.' " -- Knute Rockne: All American

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                      • Re: Irish hockey '10-11-Everyone bets on a sure thing, but it takes guts not to fold.

                        Congrats to Kyle Palmieri on his first NHL goal. He tied the game up in the 3rd and Anaheim went on to win.
                        "Hockey is the only tribe I belong to." --Jack Falla

                        "Why, as a matter of fact, I suggested starting a hockey program to Father Callahan, our president. He was downright interested until we came to the use of sticks, and then he threw up his hands. He said, 'No, that game is not for our University. Notre Dame will never endorse any game that puts a club in the hands of an Irishman.' " -- Knute Rockne: All American

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                        • Re: Irish hockey '10-11-Everyone bets on a sure thing, but it takes guts not to fold.

                          Originally posted by Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres. View Post
                          My posse and I are making our first road trip of the season. The only fear is that every time we travel to BG games, the temp plummets to well below freezing. I hope we're safe this weekend.
                          Not quite sure how all this works yet so hang in there with me for a bit.

                          All going to BG this weekend, you HAVE to order from COOKIE JAR. They will bring you HOT, delicious cookies (whatever kind you want) to your hotel room in a pizza box accompanied by cartons of milk if you wish. After sitting in a jank rink like BG's, the ND win (knock on wood) will make you happy but these cookies will warm your heart!

                          GO IRISH!
                          Calle, Vilja du gifta sig med jag?
                          Jesus saves but Ridderwall shoots and scores.

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                            Originally posted by swedenflag_inSEC7 View Post
                            Not quite sure how all this works yet so hang in there with me for a bit.

                            All going to BG this weekend, you HAVE to order from COOKIE JAR. They will bring you HOT, delicious cookies (whatever kind you want) to your hotel room in a pizza box accompanied by cartons of milk if you wish. After sitting in a jank rink like BG's, the ND win (knock on wood) will make you happy but these cookies will warm your heart!

                            GO IRISH!
                            That sounded so good at first read, but then you said "hotel room..." We're not staying overnight. There and back and there and back again. (I wonder if they'd deliver to the rink...)
                            "Hockey is the only tribe I belong to." --Jack Falla

                            "Why, as a matter of fact, I suggested starting a hockey program to Father Callahan, our president. He was downright interested until we came to the use of sticks, and then he threw up his hands. He said, 'No, that game is not for our University. Notre Dame will never endorse any game that puts a club in the hands of an Irishman.' " -- Knute Rockne: All American

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                            • Re: Irish hockey '10-11-Everyone bets on a sure thing, but it takes guts not to fold.

                              Originally posted by Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres. View Post
                              That sounded so good at first read, but then you said "hotel room..." We're not staying overnight. There and back and there and back again. (I wonder if they'd deliver to the rink...)
                              Haha, I wonder if they would. Or if they have an actual store that you could just stop by and pick them up. The website for it is http://www.cookiejarandmore.com/
                              Check it out and have a great time, hopefully they win. We went to BG, OSU for playoffs, and Miami OH but we're just doing Miami OH for my birthday and OSU this year to see a game in the big rink since we all got kicked out of it last year! We love travelling though, maybe we'll see you out and about!
                              Calle, Vilja du gifta sig med jag?
                              Jesus saves but Ridderwall shoots and scores.

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                              • Re: Irish hockey '10-11-Everyone bets on a sure thing, but it takes guts not to fold.

                                Originally posted by Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres. View Post


                                BG has been employing both goalies each weekend. Sophomore Andrew Hammond (who has greatly improved from last season) has been in net Fridays, while senior Nick Eno has worked Saturday nights. I actually wouldn't be surprised to see Hammond in net both nights as his numbers are more solid than Eno's. He has a GA of 2.57 and a save % of .919 compared to Eno's GA of 3.77 and save % of .867.
                                Actually, ENO has played on Fridays and HAMMOND in Saturday. I would expect to see both again this weekend, but wouldn't be shocked if the order were reversed. Both have played better than those stats would indicate. BG's a work in process...biggest weakness (beyond the obvious struggles on special teams) is in the neurtal zone. Lots of turnovers leading to odd man rushes. You're right, BG has got to win their first conference game sometime, how bout tonight.
                                Du hockey comme dans le temps!

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