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Osorojo
09-25-2010, 01:42 PM
Has anyone conducted an objective study comparing the winning percentages of college hockey programs to the cost of subsidizing "one and done" or "two and done" players on those teams? A substantial percentage of short-timer hockey recruits are rewarded with scholarships - at a substantial economic expense to the colleges involved.
Do these guys demonstrably contribute to the success of the programs which pay their freight, or are institutions of higher learning exempt from financial accountability? There are other, perhaps more productive ways to spend the money dedicated to short-time students.

Dirty
09-25-2010, 01:54 PM
Agreed. Phil Kessel leaving Minnesota after one year caused them to take a huge hit. That $20,000 in free education Phil got was not recouped in the 20+ games the Gophers played at home that season.

Runninwiththedogs
09-25-2010, 02:00 PM
Has anyone conducted an objective study comparing the losing percentages of college hockey programs to the cost of subsidizing terrible players like Patrick White, Kevin Wehrs, or Patrick Johnson? I find that more interesting.

FiveHole12
09-25-2010, 02:05 PM
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FadeToBlack&Gold
09-25-2010, 02:33 PM
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Hammer
09-25-2010, 02:44 PM
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Happy
09-25-2010, 02:52 PM
Agreed. Phil Kessel leaving Minnesota after one year caused them to take a huge hit. That $20,000 in free education Phil got was not recouped in the 20+ games the Gophers played at home that season.

UND has a $100,000,000 hockey rink, and they can't win a National Championship. What a waste, you would think a least one good hockey player from Canada would want to play there.

Hammer
09-25-2010, 02:52 PM
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burd
09-25-2010, 03:12 PM
These best uniform threads are getting tiresome.

thebrain
09-25-2010, 03:18 PM
You know what I haven't had in awhile? Big Leauge Chew.

uaafanblog
09-25-2010, 03:49 PM
Has anyone conducted an objective study comparing the winning percentages of college hockey programs to the cost of subsidizing "one and done" or "two and done" players on those teams? A substantial percentage of short-timer hockey recruits are rewarded with scholarships - at a substantial economic expense to the colleges involved.
Do these guys demonstrably contribute to the success of the programs which pay their freight, or are institutions of higher learning exempt from financial accountability? There are other, perhaps more productive ways to spend the money dedicated to short-time students.

I have done one. Allow me please to give you a detailed description of the results. Hopefully, it won't be too difficult to follow though there is lots of math.

Every college hockey team is allowed to provide 18 scholarships. Those 18 are divided whichever way a team's coaching staff decides. In some cases, a player will be on 1/2 scholarship or perhaps on 1/4 or maybe even 2/3 or 3/4's and even 1. Except in the Ivies where hockey players perform lawn maintenance in recompense for their overpriced education.

Now the key here in determining the cost/benefit is a a bit of an obtuse metric that depends on a kind of numerology:

Start with 18 ... the number of schollies
1+8 = 9 ... and since 1 and 8 are 2 numbers you next multiply
2x9 = 18 ... of course there is the Fibronacci Derivation (there is the alternative where you can square the two 9's and get 81 ... but we all know where that leads to)
18x18 = 324 ... the sum of F+I+B+R+O+N+A+C+C+I when you assign arbitrary and random integer values to each of the letters in the sequence ... for instance F=299 I=1 B=2 R=3 O=0 N=-5 A=17 C=3
324-200 = 124 ... because (32x4)+(3x24)
124-7 = 117 ... because 1+2+4 =7
117-18 = 99 ...because 18 is the original #of schollies
9+9 = 18 ... Um ... obvious

You see? It always comes back to 18. So you'll note that if player A is given full inducement to come to the UofX then UofX has 17 schollies left. Player B takes his full schollie and you now have 16. Following the logic here? I know it's complicated ... when the sum total of remaining players C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y and Z equals 16 (as it always will) then you can see that those 18 schollies are completely used up.

I hope that helps. I know the responses you've gotten here have been excellent so far (this group of posters is known to be tremendously knowledgable) and I hope I haven't stepped on their otherwise astute analysis of your important question.

The Rube
09-25-2010, 05:00 PM
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Twitch Boy
09-25-2010, 05:44 PM
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Osorojo
09-25-2010, 05:59 PM
I have done one. Allow me please to give you a detailed description of the results. Hopefully, it won't be too difficult to follow though there is lots of math.

Every college hockey team is allowed to provide 18 scholarships. Those 18 are divided whichever way a team's coaching staff decides. In some cases, a player will be on 1/2 scholarship or perhaps on 1/4 or maybe even 2/3 or 3/4's and even 1. Except in the Ivies where hockey players perform lawn maintenance in recompense for their overpriced education.

Now the key here in determining the cost/benefit is a a bit of an obtuse metric that depends on a kind of numerology:

Start with 18 ... the number of schollies
1+8 = 9 ... and since 1 and 8 are 2 numbers you next multiply
2x9 = 18 ... of course there is the Fibronacci Derivation (there is the alternative where you can square the two 9's and get 81 ... but we all know where that leads to)
18x18 = 324 ... the sum of F+I+B+R+O+N+A+C+C+I when you assign arbitrary and random integer values to each of the letters in the sequence ... for instance F=299 I=1 B=2 R=3 O=0 N=-5 A=17 C=3
324-200 = 124 ... because (32x4)+(3x24)
124-7 = 117 ... because 1+2+4 =7
117-18 = 99 ...because 18 is the original #of schollies
9+9 = 18 ... Um ... obvious

You see? It always comes back to 18. So you'll note that if player A is given full inducement to come to the UofX then UofX has 17 schollies left. Player B takes his full schollie and you now have 16. Following the logic here? I know it's complicated ... when the sum total of remaining players C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y and Z equals 16 (as it always will) then you can see that those 18 schollies are completely used up.

I hope that helps. I know the responses you've gotten here have been excellent so far (this group of posters is known to be tremendously knowledgable) and I hope I haven't stepped on their otherwise astute analysis of your important question.



Changing the name from "scholarships" to "hockeyships" would focus the intent of expenditures and encourage cost-benefit analysis. Then colleges could determine whether a one year hockeyship is more cost effective than a four year hockeyship by using arithmetic, as you have suggested.

I am unaware of any "Ivies" offering tuition/fees in exchange for playing hockey and mowing lawns. Can you provide specifics?

mookie1995
09-25-2010, 06:02 PM
Whatever dude.... It does not cost one.single.cent.more to let some random guy sit in a classroom. In general college costs are unjustifiable. To come here and ask "if anyone has undertaken a study" is folly. Makes me wonder if in fact YOU are not some administrative nutcase! You certainly follow the company line.

LynahFan
09-25-2010, 06:41 PM
Whatever dude.... It does not cost one.single.cent.more to let some random guy sit in a classroom. In general college costs are unjustifiable. To come here and ask "if anyone has undertaken a study" is folly. Makes me wonder if in fact YOU are not some administrative nutcase! You certainly follow the company line.

You're still WONDERING if Osorojo is a nutcase? Don't make me start having to wonder about you, too! ;)

Driftryder
09-25-2010, 06:49 PM
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mookie1995
09-25-2010, 06:58 PM
You're still WONDERING if Osorojo is a nutcase? Don't make me start having to wonder about you, too! ;)

wondering about the specific type of nutcase.. provost osorojo nutcase. associate dean osorojo nutcase.

FadeToBlack&Gold
09-25-2010, 07:14 PM
wondering about the specific type of nutcase.. provost osorojo nutcase. associate dean osorojo nutcase.

Canadian troll Osorojo nutcase ;)

Runninwiththedogs
09-25-2010, 07:18 PM
I wonder if Osorojo is an unemployed survey giver looking for work?