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reggiedunlop
09-20-2010, 02:10 AM
Has any team started "Captain's practices" on the ice? When does each team start skating with their coach?

CARDS_rule_the_Burgh
09-20-2010, 07:50 AM
Has any team started "Captain's practices" on the ice? When does each team start skating with their coach?

"Captain's Practice" would imply that student-athletes are obligated to attend. NCAA prohibits DIII Hockey from conducting any such activities until 10/15. Therefore, no "captain's practices" have begun yet.

That is also the date before which team personnel, other than one athletic trainer, may not be present at any unofficial voluntary activities, on or off ice, conducted by captains.

That is not to say the teams are not practicing yet. I'm sure most of them are likely still in the "Dry Land"phase, and are regularly working out in the gym, etc... but these, according to NCAA, cannot be called "Captain's Practices" ;) :D :rolleyes:

Buck Woodshed
09-20-2010, 08:22 AM
I was just wondering. Are coaches allowed to run the dry land training? In my day, they were allowed to do this. What has changed? We didn't do much back then, mostly running and calisthenics, not much with the weights.

norm1909
09-20-2010, 09:26 AM
I was just wondering. Are coaches allowed to run the dry land training? In my day, they were allowed to do this. What has changed? We didn't do much back then, mostly running and calisthenics, not much with the weights.

See also this thread from last year (http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?t=85342&page=1).

UCBadger
09-20-2010, 12:23 PM
So, just what ARE the coaches doing now? ;)

CARDS_rule_the_Burgh
09-20-2010, 02:31 PM
So, just what ARE the coaches doing now? ;)

My guess: regularly meeting with captains to get their view of the practices, watching video of the unofficial practices being held by captains if available, and instructing the captains (via those meetings) to test line combinations, special teams, etc.

And... most of the coaches in DIII also teach at their schools. :rolleyes:

NUProf
09-20-2010, 02:37 PM
Just so we use the proper language, the question is has anybody started pink fluffy bunnies with cinnamon buns on top. Vwewy important to avoid the term "Captain's Practice." Using it could create all kinds of problems for a team.

joecct
09-20-2010, 03:43 PM
Just so we use the proper language, the question is has anybody started pink fluffy bunnies with cinnamon buns on top. Vwewy important to avoid the term "Captain's Practice." Using it could create all kinds of problems for a team.After Snowmageddon last winter, the bunnies are still enjoying the warm weather and have no wish to get cold again.

XYZ
09-20-2010, 04:16 PM
"Captain's Practice" would imply that student-athletes are obligated to attend. NCAA prohibits DIII Hockey from conducting any such activities until 10/15. Therefore, no "captain's practices" have begun yet.

You're kidding right?

Again, you can call them pink fluffy bunnies with cinnamon buns on top if you want to, but they are in full swing in many places.

PrezdeJohnson09
09-20-2010, 05:44 PM
You're kidding right?

Again, you can call them pink fluffy bunnies with cinnamon buns on top if you want to, but they are in full swing in many places.

:cool:

CARDS_rule_the_Burgh
09-20-2010, 06:24 PM
You're kidding right?

Again, you can call them pink fluffy bunnies with cinnamon buns on top if you want to, but they are in full swing in many places.

Of course I realize that team captains are currently conducting practice sessions in the absence of the coaching staff (except an athletic trainer in case of injury). And of course I realize that, although they cannot specifically state that these practice sessions are mandatory to attend, failure to attend without reason by any student-athlete would very much adversely affect their standing with the coaching staff and team, and therefore their ability to get ice time.

But the bottom line is that, while I realize that these sessions are taking place, by the definition in the eyes of the NCAA, no true Captain's Practices are occurring. And yes, I am splitting hairs here :rolleyes:

norm1909
09-20-2010, 07:14 PM
.... And yes, I am splitting hairs here :rolleyes:

As long as you don't split the hares :p

NESCAC Fan
09-20-2010, 07:48 PM
So if the players clearly want to be on the ice and training, and if the coaches want to be training their players, why is the facade perpetuated? The NCAA certainly isn't running around like Elmer Fudd, "shhh, be bery quiet, I'm rabbit hunting". They are not hunting down programs that are pushing the limit.

Schools under the D3 banner want to emphasize academics according to NCAA guidelines. Yet these schools are committing resources to recruit the best players they can. The players for the most part have commited a significant portion of their youth and early adult life to becoming competitive players. For the most part they are in D3 because they are not in D1.

Almost every single player trained and skated as much as they could this summer. I am sure they didn't say "gee I am glad I get to take off a month from skating after I did all this training". It's just not what they do.

So why the facade? Of course ther are probably 10 other NCAA provisions that don't make sense but this one is so contrary what the students AND the coaching staffs want.

CARDS_rule_the_Burgh
09-20-2010, 08:10 PM
So if the players clearly want to be on the ice and training, and if the coaches want to be training their players, why is the facade perpetuated? The NCAA certainly isn't running around like Elmer Fudd, "shhh, be bery quiet, I'm rabbit hunting". They are not hunting down programs that are pushing the limit.

Schools under the D3 banner want to emphasize academics according to NCAA guidelines. Yet these schools are committing resources to recruit the best players they can. The players for the most part have commited a significant portion of their youth and early adult life to becoming competitive players. For the most part they are in D3 because they are not in D1.

Almost every single player trained and skated as much as they could this summer. I am sure they didn't say "gee I am glad I get to take off a month from skating after I did all this training". It's just not what they do.

So why the facade? Of course ther are probably 10 other NCAA provisions that don't make sense but this one is so contrary what the students AND the coaching staffs want.

If memory serves me correctly, I think it had something to do with NESCAC schools complaining. With their conference agreeing not to play until mid-November (a rule that was a required of the ECAC-E as well during the interlock), most if not all don't practice until shortly before that date (perhaps that is also a rule, I'm not sure). Some of them were rather vocal about an unfair advantage being given to schools that start in August or September. Rather than tell them to start earlier (which could potentially be construed as putting athletics before academics, contrary to DIII philosophy), NCAA announced the October 15th rule last year - well after some other schools had scheduled exhibition games that fell only a few days after that date...

NESCAC Fan
09-20-2010, 08:21 PM
Ah thank you for the information. Funny though, a lot of the nescac's have been recruiting hard to improve their programs. The recruits want the most competitive program they can get AND a the best education they can get. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next year or two with more jr. players joining their ranks.

dreamer6
09-20-2010, 08:50 PM
The NCAA certainly isn't running around like Elmer Fudd, "shhh, be bery quiet, I'm rabbit hunting". They are not hunting down programs that are pushing the limit.

I believe Elmer Fudd hunts wabbits ;)

joecct
09-20-2010, 09:56 PM
I believe Elmer Fudd hunts wabbits ;)But it's duck season!

altazo
09-20-2010, 10:08 PM
My guess: regularly meeting with captains to get their view of the practices, watching video of the unofficial practices being held by captains if available, and instructing the captains (via those meetings) to test line combinations, special teams, etc.

And... most of the coaches in DIII also teach at their schools. :rolleyes:

I'm not so sure the coaches are quite that hands on (maybe I'm wrong.) They may be watching video, but I'd be surprised if they were requesting certain line combinations. Like you stated, their main deal right now is probably teaching their respective classes and maybe checking enrollment to see which recruits have actually showed up on campus.


And of course I realize that, although they cannot specifically state that these practice sessions are mandatory to attend, failure to attend without reason by any student-athlete would very much adversely affect their standing with the coaching staff and team, and therefore their ability to get ice time.


Also, these guys just really like to play hockey.

The Real Georgia Peach
09-21-2010, 06:15 AM
Which brings up the question.....Who pays for the ice time for these players who are participating in informal sessions at off campus facilities?...And who provides transportation to and from?

NUProf
09-21-2010, 07:25 AM
Which brings up the question.....Who pays for the ice time for these players who are participating in informal sessions at off campus facilities?...And who provides transportation to and from?

And more importantly, does the NCAA care?