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Wicked Slappaahs
09-15-2010, 02:28 PM
Yes...it seems it would be better to have a chance to 'stack up' against someone who didn't chose RPI. With what's happening, that is not possible (at this level, at least)

People (here and elsewhere) are more than a little PO'd at MJ's cherry picking. It seems that the only way it'll ever change is if the NCAA allows MJ kids to go D1...even if they put parameters on it, like say no more than one season, or "x" amount of games. That way, young kids who are sold a bill of goods up there and want to change their minds, have the option of leaving and getting an education while bringing glory to their institutions and the NCAA....:p

I'll leave it to others to handicap the likelihood that this'll ever happen...but I'm certainly not holding my breathe. :mad: I'd sure like to see an attempt led by the "big boys" -- who have the financial clout thanks to football and hoops, but certainly including ECAC/Ivy schools...who have the weight of academic excellence with a long track record of their hockey players excelling in the classroom. I can dream anyway...

Ralph Baer
09-15-2010, 02:35 PM
People (here and elsewhere) are more than a little PO'd at MJ's cherry picking. It seems that the only way it'll ever change is if the NCAA allows MJ kids to go D1...even if they put parameters on it, like say no more than one season, or "x" amount of games. That way, young kids who are sold a bill of goods up there and want to change their minds, have the option of leaving and getting an education while bringing glory to their institutions and the NCAA....:p

I'll leave it to others to handicap the likelihood that this'll ever happen...but I'm certainly not holding my breathe. :mad: I'd sure like to see an attempt led by the "big boys" -- who have the financial clout thanks to football and hoops, but certainly including ECAC/Ivy schools...who have the weight of academic excellence with a long track record of their hockey players excelling in the classroom. I can dream anyway...

I think that Penn Sate will go D-I before that happens. ;)

babo
09-15-2010, 03:19 PM
People (here and elsewhere) are more than a little PO'd at MJ's cherry picking. It seems that the only way it'll ever change is if the NCAA allows MJ kids to go D1...even if they put parameters on it, like say no more than one season, or "x" amount of games. That way, young kids who are sold a bill of goods up there and want to change their minds, have the option of leaving and getting an education while bringing glory to their institutions and the NCAA....:p

I'll leave it to others to handicap the likelihood that this'll ever happen...but I'm certainly not holding my breathe. :mad: I'd sure like to see an attempt led by the "big boys" -- who have the financial clout thanks to football and hoops, but certainly including ECAC/Ivy schools...who have the weight of academic excellence with a long track record of their hockey players excelling in the classroom. I can dream anyway...

Are the young players victims? Yes. Are the MJ guys opportunistic? Yes. But many of their parents are neither and deserve full responsibility for not doing their homework. If you are a parent and you are being told that your child is the second coming of Sydney Crosby, then find out the history of success via the routes being considered. The information is widely available. If you decide to choose the route that cuts off options, then the outcome is on you as a parent. I wouldn't want to be looking into my son's eyes and have to tell him he has no where to go in hockey at the age of 20...shut it down. Parents put on the rose colored glasses with blinders and want the bragging rights. What they should brag about is their son's success in life...which comes with a good education.

FlagDUDE08
09-15-2010, 03:23 PM
People (here and elsewhere) are more than a little PO'd at MJ's cherry picking. It seems that the only way it'll ever change is if the NCAA allows MJ kids to go D1...even if they put parameters on it, like say no more than one season, or "x" amount of games. That way, young kids who are sold a bill of goods up there and want to change their minds, have the option of leaving and getting an education while bringing glory to their institutions and the NCAA....:p

I'll leave it to others to handicap the likelihood that this'll ever happen...but I'm certainly not holding my breathe. :mad: I'd sure like to see an attempt led by the "big boys" -- who have the financial clout thanks to football and hoops, but certainly including ECAC/Ivy schools...who have the weight of academic excellence with a long track record of their hockey players excelling in the classroom. I can dream anyway...

I think that you are absolutely correct about this, but didn't want to post it for fear of "speaking my mind", if you know what I mean. I think some of the rules unfortunately are very strict because of football or basketball. Instead of blanketing them across the entire NCAA, there really needs to be different rules for different sports to adhere to the needs of each sport and its environment.

troyboy
09-15-2010, 05:15 PM
Are the young players victims? Yes. Are the MJ guys opportunistic? Yes. But many of their parents are neither and deserve full responsibility for not doing their homework. If you are a parent and you are being told that your child is the second coming of Sydney Crosby, then find out the history of success via the routes being considered. The information is widely available. If you decide to choose the route that cuts off options, then the outcome is on you as a parent. I wouldn't want to be looking into my son's eyes and have to tell him he has no where to go in hockey at the age of 20...shut it down. Parents put on the rose colored glasses with blinders and want the bragging rights. What they should brag about is their son's success in life...which comes with a good education. babo...I'm taking the statue of Our Virgin Mother Mary out of the halfshell on my front lawn and putting a statue of you in there(LOL).That sums it up perfectly !!!

GreatLakerMohawk
09-15-2010, 05:21 PM
The NCAA thinking of MJ as abject pros is ridiculous. Apparently a $50 per diem makes a kid a pro but not a full ride to a university. OK whatever you say NCAA. It's a foolish and ridiculous designation by the NCAA, especially when the NCAA is busy making money off of all the kids in major sports.

Wicked Slappaahs
09-15-2010, 06:57 PM
Are the young players victims? Yes. Are the MJ guys opportunistic? Yes. But many of their parents are neither and deserve full responsibility for not doing their homework. If you are a parent and you are being told that your child is the second coming of Sydney Crosby, then find out the history of success via the routes being considered. The information is widely available. If you decide to choose the route that cuts off options, then the outcome is on you as a parent. I wouldn't want to be looking into my son's eyes and have to tell him he has no where to go in hockey at the age of 20...shut it down. Parents put on the rose colored glasses with blinders and want the bragging rights. What they should brag about is their son's success in life...which comes with a good education.
I totally agree babo...but you're preaching to the choir...well said. I guess my point was there ought to be an option for a kid who, while having played some MJ games, decides he wants to play college hockey...

FlagDUDE08
09-15-2010, 07:36 PM
I totally agree babo...but you're preaching to the choir...well said. I guess my point was there ought to be an option for a kid who, while having played some MJ games, decides he wants to play college hockey...

Well, at least with cross country or distance track, you can run community races that offer prize money, and so long as you turn down the prize, you can maintain your eligibility. Why couldn't there be a similar option for Major Junior? I know it'd be tough to convince them, but if it saves the club some dough and gets them higher profits, all the better, right?

babo
09-15-2010, 08:01 PM
The NCAA thinking of MJ as abject pros is ridiculous. Apparently a $50 per diem makes a kid a pro but not a full ride to a university. OK whatever you say NCAA. It's a foolish and ridiculous designation by the NCAA, especially when the NCAA is busy making money off of all the kids in major sports.

GLM, I agree with you. But what ever happened to caveat emptor? (did I spell that correctly?), I agree the NCAA regs are asinine and I agree the market place should be the arbiter.

babo
09-15-2010, 08:02 PM
babo...I'm taking the statue of Our Virgin Mother Mary out of the halfshell on my front lawn and putting a statue of you in there(LOL).That sums it up perfectly !!!

I would not do that if I were you...no no...

Wicked Slappaahs
09-15-2010, 08:06 PM
I would not do that if I were you...no no...

That'd be asking for some bad MoJo....:p but TB could add another sunken bathtub shrine next to the first, that would appease Lord MoJo.:D

Wicked Slappaahs
09-15-2010, 08:08 PM
I'd like to take this opportunity to request some recruit news...I really need to see an addition or three to Ralph's list....:( :D

fishcore12
09-15-2010, 08:31 PM
Maybe I am reading these posts wrong but what we are trying to say here is that if a kid goes and plays any amount of time with a MJ team and he decides it isnt for him he can just go back to a college team.

Wouldnt that just play into the hands of the MJ and NHL teams and they would end up using the NCAA as sort of a minor league. Have a kid come into camp, play a few games and then say well your not going to get playing time here but go play in the NCAA and develop more then come back here when we think you are ready. I know there is an age limit in MJ but still they could recruit a kid at the age of 14 and feed them all the lines the use and then have/help him commit to a school of its choosing to use to develop in case they dont work out at the MJ level. Still seems like a bad situation for the NCAA.

Ralph Baer
09-15-2010, 11:29 PM
I'd like to take this opportunity to request some recruit news...I really need to see an addition or three to Ralph's list....:( :D

seconded

burgie12
09-16-2010, 12:05 AM
I am expecting commitments following each of the three upcoming weekends. Just a gut feeling.

Ralph Baer
09-16-2010, 12:07 AM
I am expecting commitments following each of the three upcoming weekends. Just a gut feeling.

Now that would be a good turn of events. :cool:

DrDemento
09-16-2010, 06:19 AM
I am expecting commitments following each of the three upcoming weekends. Just a gut feeling.

Hope so but I have not seen anything yet with my Tarot cards. I will be taking out the old Crystal Ball and Magic 8 Ball to check.;)

Ralph Baer
09-16-2010, 07:17 AM
Cornwall is playing their first home game this evening http://www.standard-freeholder.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2759237. Nothing about JL in the article.

GreatLakerMohawk
09-16-2010, 11:52 AM
GLM, I agree with you. But what ever happened to caveat emptor? (did I spell that correctly?), I agree the NCAA regs are asinine and I agree the market place should be the arbiter.

Oh certainly "buyer beware" is always in effect when it comes to recruits. The problem the NCAA has is they've created their own one-way street with everything. It's just crazy for the NCAA to treat MJ players getting food money each day to be akin to being a pro player. MJ players get anywhere from $50-$150 per diem and that depends on their age as older players get more money.

If nothing else, college players get more of a financial commitment in the form of room and board as well as education. If they weren't taking classes they'd be getting an even sweeter deal than MJ players who are put up with billet families. For the NCAA to draw a line in the sand and say their way is still amateur and their way is professional is just goofy. Wipe away that designation and you've got a true open market for player competition and one that makes things a lot more interesting.

Wicked Slappaahs
09-16-2010, 12:59 PM
I am expecting commitments following each of the three upcoming weekends...

That's my kind of batting average....we'll see if comes to fruition.:D