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Osorojo
08-15-2010, 07:55 PM
Oddly enough, they do. Many of these guys don't have high visionary aspirations beyond hockey. Maybe that's the lowered expectations of their family.

Of course this is all about your saw about schools admitting less than normal college students... otherwise you wouldn't give a **** if they all ended up in the math program.

That being said, if the player wasn't a party-every-weekend screw up I'd consider a hockey player as better than his peers within major as time management is a big skill for those athletes playing a sport... especially hockey.

Nevertheless, the opportunity is provided to them... its up to them to turn that into gold.

Patman: I see you confidently state what I'm thinking and why?! Although this site is called "U.S. College Hockey" posters spend 99+% of the time discussing hockey and hardly mention the "college" component. I could have slogged through the bios of every college team to determine players' majors, but I copped out and asked the fans instead. Note that some fans take a healthy pride in the academic achievements of their favorite college hockey players.

Yes, the question I asked deliberately reminds fans about the facts of life after college hockey. I'm not ashamed of doing so.

thebrain
08-15-2010, 11:17 PM
I know a couple Bemidji State women's players from a couple years ago are in or just finished med school(one at Minnesota, one at Dartmouth). I want to say they were chemistry and biology majors.

jcarter7669
08-16-2010, 08:47 AM
Patman: I see you confidently state what I'm thinking and why?! Although this site is called "U.S. College Hockey" posters spend 99+% of the time discussing hockey and hardly mention the "college" component.


Ummm, because it is "college hockey" not "college academics." I can see the confusion for you, two words college and hockey, but your failure is realizing that "college" describes the sport, and isn't being used as an independent word.

Nice try at working into your argument that all college hockey players are wastes of scholarship money, and a special kudos to the choice of title : College Major. Fitting after your previous rant on just affliating a Major Junior program with colleges.

Now give it up, college hockey is not college football or college basketball.

FlagDUDE08
08-16-2010, 08:56 AM
Patman: I see you confidently state what I'm thinking and why?! Although this site is called "U.S. College Hockey" posters spend 99+% of the time discussing hockey and hardly mention the "college" component. I could have slogged through the bios of every college team to determine players' majors, but I copped out and asked the fans instead. Note that some fans take a healthy pride in the academic achievements of their favorite college hockey players.

Yes, the question I asked deliberately reminds fans about the facts of life after college hockey. I'm not ashamed of doing so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueywqUBW3oM

Osorojo
08-16-2010, 12:13 PM
Ummm, because it is "college hockey" not "college academics." I can see the confusion for you, two words college and hockey, but your failure is realizing that "college" describes the sport, and isn't being used as an independent word.

Nice try at working into your argument that all college hockey players are wastes of scholarship money, and a special kudos to the choice of title : College Major. Fitting after your previous rant on just affliating a Major Junior program with colleges.

Now give it up, college hockey is not college football or college basketball.


J.C. - You are correct that " 'college' describes the sport, and isn't being used as an independent word." In this context "college" is being used as an adjective, and indicates that the noun "hockey" is limited to those aspects of hockey related to colleges, which are educational institutions. It seems reasonable that most discussion on this site would be related to education (college) and hockey, but this is not the case. Discussions run heavily to professional candidates and professional players who attended a college for any length of time, although these individuals represent a tiny minority of current and former college hockey players.

If you consider professional hockey careers as the chief justification for college hockey go right ahead and enjoy. Just admit others have the right to a different opinion: the main justification for college hockey is that students, faculty and fans get to enjoy a fine sport during the process of education.

BTW: You attribute some remarkable opinions and arguments to me. Where did you get these ideas? Am I up against some sort of savant?

jcarter7669
08-16-2010, 12:23 PM
J.C. - You are correct that " 'college' describes the sport, and isn't being used as an independent word." In this context "college" is being used as an adjective, and indicates that the noun "hockey" is limited to those aspects of hockey related to colleges, which are educational institutions. It seems reasonable that most discussion on this site would be related to education (college) and hockey, but this is not the case.

No, it would seem reasonable that most discussion would be related to College Hockey, not college and hockey. There are plenty of forums to discuss "college," there is here to discuss college hockey. Not college and/or hockey.

bigblue_dl
08-16-2010, 12:43 PM
Patman: I see you confidently state what I'm thinking and why?! Although this site is called "U.S. College Hockey" posters spend 99+% of the time discussing hockey and hardly mention the "college" component. I could have slogged through the bios of every college team to determine players' majors, but I copped out and asked the fans instead. Note that some fans take a healthy pride in the academic achievements of their favorite college hockey players.

Yes, the question I asked deliberately reminds fans about the facts of life after college hockey. I'm not ashamed of doing so.
Posters post about college hockey 99% of the time? What website are you reading?

komey1
08-16-2010, 01:42 PM
J.C. - You are correct that " 'college' describes the sport, and isn't being used as an independent word." In this context "college" is being used as an adjective, and indicates that the noun "hockey" is limited to those aspects of hockey related to colleges, which are educational institutions. It seems reasonable that most discussion on this site would be related to education (college) and hockey, but this is not the case.

AS was noted, and maybe we need to put this in a simpler form for you, this is about college level hockey. And in particular, this section of the forums is for Division I level college hockey. There is a Division III level college hockey, which you may find more agreeable with what appears to be your belief system on how college level sports should be due to no academic scholarships are allowed at all. There are some mighty fine folks there, and some pretty good hockey as well.

MinnesotaNorthStar
08-16-2010, 02:18 PM
Basketweaving with an underwater concentration.

It's a very difficult program at UND...

Fighting Sioux 23
08-16-2010, 03:55 PM
AS was noted, and maybe we need to put this in a simpler form for you, this is about college level hockey. And in particular, this section of the forums is for Division I level college hockey. There is a Division III level college hockey, which you may find more agreeable with what appears to be your belief system on how college level sports should be due to no academic scholarships are allowed at all. There are some mighty fine folks there, and some pretty good hockey as well.

To break it down further, this thread is for MEN'S Division 1 Hockey.


According to Osorojo, we should discuss Men, College and Hockey equally...don't think that's going to happen :p:D:D

Osorojo
08-16-2010, 04:39 PM
Posters post about college hockey 99% of the time? What website are you reading?

What I actually wrote was that posters discuss hockey 99% of the time. This is quite different than the incorrect quote you attribute to me. You got it wrong. Check and see. Perhaps you confused this with another website.

For one thing, a significant part of this 99% devoted to discussing hockey is devoted to discussing the relationship between college hockey and professional hockey. The other 1% is devoted to nicknames, mascots, buildings, and various quibbles but NOT to how college hockey programs help or hinder the mission of colleges: education. Do you suppose hockey programs should trump educational expectations in colleges, or should hockey programs exist to promote and facilitate college education? If the latter, then there's good reason to talk about it and celebrate individual successes. If the former, then it's easy to understand efforts to stifle discussion about the relationship between college hockey programs and academic achievement.

What in blazes is wrong with asking about the educational interests and goals of a group of students, or celebrating their ability to excell in both academics and athletics?

bigblue_dl
08-16-2010, 04:44 PM
What I actually wrote was that posters discuss hockey 99% of the time. This is quite different than the incorrect quote you attribute to me. You got it wrong. Check and see. Perhaps you confused this with another website.

For one thing, a significant part of this 99% devoted to discussing hockey is devoted to discussing the relationship between college hockey and professional hockey. The other 1% is devoted to nicknames, mascots, buildings, and various quibbles but NOT to how college hockey programs help or hinder the mission of colleges: education. Do you suppose hockey programs should trump educational expectations in colleges, or should hockey programs exist to promote and facilitate college education? If the latter, then there's good reason to talk about it and celebrate individual successes. If the former, then it's easy to understand efforts to stifle discussion about the relationship between college hockey programs and academic achievement.

What in blazes is wrong with asking about the educational interests and goals of a group of students, or celebrating their ability to excell in both academics and athletics?
Seriously, you are delusional if you think 99% of posts are about hockey.
Its more like:
40% hockey
60% mascots, inside jokes, flame wars, lewd comments, thinking up new sexual positions, general non-hockey conversation, etc.

Biddco
08-16-2010, 04:46 PM
Seems like most UMD players are business majors.

ronmexico
08-16-2010, 04:50 PM
What I actually wrote was that posters discuss hockey 99% of the time. This is quite different than the incorrect quote you attribute to me. You got it wrong. Check and see. Perhaps you confused this with another website.

For one thing, a significant part of this 99% devoted to discussing hockey is devoted to discussing the relationship between college hockey and professional hockey. The other 1% is devoted to nicknames, mascots, buildings, and various quibbles but NOT to how college hockey programs help or hinder the mission of colleges: education. Do you suppose hockey programs should trump educational expectations in colleges, or should hockey programs exist to promote and facilitate college education? If the latter, then there's good reason to talk about it and celebrate individual successes. If the former, then it's easy to understand efforts to stifle discussion about the relationship between college hockey programs and academic achievement.

What in blazes is wrong with asking about the educational interests and goals of a group of students, or celebrating their ability to excell in both academics and athletics?

Did I miss something here or is someone getting butt hurt over nothing?

komey1
08-16-2010, 05:47 PM
For one thing, a significant part of this 99% devoted to discussing hockey is devoted to discussing the relationship between college hockey and professional hockey.


Wrong - unless you are using this off season as your first foray into this thread. During the off-season, it is MUCH more common to discuss who moved on to pros and some discussion of what can be done to recruit the best hockey players to play college. During the season, more emphasis is placed on rankings, upcoming matchups, and playoff implications.



The other 1% is devoted to nicknames, mascots, buildings, and various quibbles but NOT to how college hockey programs help or hinder the mission of colleges: education.


Have you considered that many of the posters here are students and/or alumni that really cannot do much if anything about this? I also don't know what that statement even means. Are you refering to the college experience? What hockey programs teach? I don't see how hockey could hinder the mission of the colleges themselves at all. The students get an opportunity to play hockey and go to school - what could be wrong about that unless the individual screws up.



Do you suppose hockey programs should trump educational expectations in colleges, or should hockey programs exist to promote and facilitate college education? If the latter, then there's good reason to talk about it and celebrate individual successes. If the former, then it's easy to understand efforts to stifle discussion about the relationship between college hockey programs and academic achievement.


What exactly is the relationship? Many of us have already shown proof that in general, hockey players perform at or better than the general public. Yes, we don't discuss that much, because from a hockey perspective, that and $1 gets you something from the McDonalds Extra Value Menu. RIT had the player with the best GPA of any player at the Frozen Four. They got beat 8-1 by Wisconsin. What is more relevant on a hockey message board?



What in blazes is wrong with asking about the educational interests and goals of a group of students, or celebrating their ability to excell in both academics and athletics?

Nothing is wrong with that. But bringing up a problem that currently does not exist is wrong. You seem to have it in your head that most hockey players are there to go pro and cannot do the work simply because the NCAA standards (NOTE - note the individual university standards) are a sliding scale of GPA and SAT scores. When you take all the reports that are provided by the NCAA, you simply find that it is not the case.

The successes in the classroom don't always equate to success on the ice. I'm sure Michigan Tech has some fine students playing hockey. But their hockey team is one of the worst in their conference. You don't get a trophy for being good students. It's great that there are FAR more successes than failures.

The bottom line is that the majority of us really don't care how they perform academically until a player becomes ineligible. I don't go to a calculus class to root on my favorite engineers. I go to a hockey rink to watch my favorite team. However, I know that the higher ups at my alma mater consider academics when recruiting players, so there is little to worry about. I know of players who have been suspended academically in the past. I know that if there is a problem it will be taken care of the right way. I believe that is the case with nearly every, if not all, college hockey teams.

I conclude with this simple phrase:

Is it October yet?

MoFan
08-16-2010, 06:20 PM
Kinesiology, economics, applied economics and communications seemed to account for over half of the majors of the hockey players when I was in Ithaca ('88-'92) and Ann Arbor ('95-'97). I was impressed to see some engineering and pre-med type degrees as well.

Not sure if the major concentrations are still the same. Glancing at Cornell's roster, they only disclose the college that the player is enrolled in, but I see a fair number of College of Agriculture and Life Sciences (Applied Economics/Business, Communications) and College of Arts and Sciences (could be many things, including Econ). Glancing at Michigan, there are a few Kinesiology, Psychology, History and General Studies majors.

umassfan49
08-16-2010, 06:32 PM
UMass has a lot of players who major in business or psychology. A few years back it seemed like more than half of the team were sport management majors, but that number has gone down in recent years.

jcarter7669
08-17-2010, 03:13 PM
To break it down further, this thread is for MEN'S Division 1 Hockey.


According to Osorojo, we should discuss Men, College and Hockey equally...don't think that's going to happen :p:D:D

Well if Osorojo is correct, I'm heading over to the Women's college hockey forum.:D And pray that he doesn't follow over there discussing the majors for the women hockey players...

Hammer
08-17-2010, 04:04 PM
Well if Osorojo is correct, I'm heading over to the Women's college hockey forum.:D And pray that he doesn't follow over there discussing the majors for the women hockey players...

Don't go over there, for your own sanity.

Osorojo
08-17-2010, 04:06 PM
Well if Osorojo is correct, I'm heading over to the Women's college hockey forum.:D And pray that he doesn't follow over there discussing the majors for the women hockey players...

There are more straw men being created here than in every cornfield in Iowa.

Facts are stubborn things. They remain facts even if you don't care for them. It is a fact that a tiny percentage of college hockey players make a career out of hockey, but most choose a career related to their major course of study in college. It is a fact that, for better or worse, there is always an interaction between academic programs and athletic programs in colleges. [These facts apply to both women's and men's athletic programs.] It is a fact that for the vast majority of college hockey players their academic success will greatly outweigh the importance of their athletic success.

It seems that stating these facts and discussing them makes some putative college hockey fans uncomfortable. Too bad.