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cg_siouxfan
08-04-2010, 03:47 PM
It's interesting how these informative stories about the struggles of being an NCAA Division I men's hockey coach always come out after the Gophers lose a player. You didn't have a similar outcry from Dave Hakstol when David Toews left the Sioux this summer. Is it because the Sioux coaching staff did a better job of managing their team, so it wasn't a devastating loss? BC and BU fans have made the same argument about their teams ability to have success.




It's really too bad most of you people can't accept that people have different opinions and there are two sides to every situation.

goldy_331
08-04-2010, 04:14 PM
More whining and excuses from Lucia. And most of the Minnesota fans STILL eat it up.

Waaah, the internetz are stupid!

the game is changing, it's not like back in my day!

I tell you, kids these days!



He sounds more like a bitter fan, than a head coach. The article, as a whole, sounded like two Gopher fans sitting at the bar, thanks to Wodon.

Everybody wants an easy answer. Maybe if every player(and coach) worked a little harder, the Gophers wouldn't be such suckwads. That might be the easy answer that you all are looking for.
But no, its always somebody else's fault with the Gophers: The NHL, Garth Snow, fate, anti-Gopherism, prima donnas, Hill, the new CBA, the internet, etc.


I think Adam Wodon has a crush on The Don.


Go cry about it, you big puh-C. That's what your hero Don Lucia does when things aren't going his way.


It's interesting how these informative stories about the struggles of being an NCAA Division I men's hockey coach always come out after the Gophers lose a player. You didn't have a similar outcry from Dave Hakstol when David Toews left the Sioux this summer. Is it because the Sioux coaching staff did a better job of managing their team, so it wasn't a devastating loss? BC and BU fans have made the same argument about their teams ability to have success.




It's really too bad most of you people can't accept that people have different opinions and there are two sides to every situation.

Yep, lots of rational discussion here in these posts. :rolleyes:

J.D.
08-04-2010, 04:16 PM
It's interesting how these informative stories about the struggles of being an NCAA Division I men's hockey coach always come out after the Gophers lose a player. You didn't have a similar outcry from Dave Hakstol when David Toews left the Sioux this summer. Is it because the Sioux coaching staff did a better job of managing their team, so it wasn't a devastating loss? BC and BU fans have made the same argument about their teams ability to have success.

How do you know Wodon didn't contact Lucia looking for an interview? More props to Lucia for answering truthfully. And David Toews, a whopping four goals as a sophomore, doesn't exactly equate to a Kyle Okposo leaving DURING a season.

I will say that Lucia may have to change his recruiting philosophy to try and match what Jerry York has tried to do at BC, but that's up to him.


It's really too bad most of you people can't accept that people have different opinions and there are two sides to every situation.

This coming from the one who rolled his eyes at Wodon's opinion.

Turk 77
08-04-2010, 04:16 PM
It's interesting how these informative stories about the struggles of being an NCAA Division I men's hockey coach always come out after the Gophers lose a player. You didn't have a similar outcry from Dave Hakstol when David Toews left the Sioux this summer. Is it because the Sioux coaching staff did a better job of managing their team, so it wasn't a devastating loss? BC and BU fans have made the same argument about their teams ability to have success.




It's really too bad most of you people can't accept that people have different opinions and there are two sides to every situation.

Good lord you dont quit do you ? Yep the whole thing was about the Gophers losing players . How do you know that he didnt try and talk to other coaches first ? He was one of many coaches that have lost players in the last few years. Why dont you write USCHO and complain and then they can talk to Hakstol about any of the other stories concerning college hockey and then you will feel better:rolleyes:

Puck Swami
08-04-2010, 04:16 PM
I think its fair to say that the culture of Minnesota hockey has changed a bit, somewhat.

Gopher Hockey once represented the pinnacle of desire for the high end Minnesota High School player, with maybe an Olympic team or a pro career as icing on the cake after a Gophers' career. Sure, some Gophers left early and some made the pros, but being a Gopher really represented the top of the Minnesota development system - grow up, play hockey in your town, be the high school star, then play for the Gophers and see what happens.

In recent years, The Gophers' success at producing NHL players has changed the goalposts. High end prospects growing up in Minnesota now view the the NHL as the end game much like a Canadian prospect does. The Gophers are now much more of stepping stone than an end in itself. Few Gopher players go from HS to the Gophers in wide-eyed admiration for the opportunity to play for their home state - they now play HS, then play junior somehere else, and they see hockey as a business and by the time they arrive on campus at the U, the agents and NHL are waiting for them. These guys are thinking about paychecks and payoffs and the Maroon and Gold are mostly a stepping stone for that.

I think the other WCHA programs don't have as strong of a home state pride factor vortex, and they have been viewed as pro stepping stones for a longer time, and were faster adjusting to this reality.

Dirty
08-04-2010, 04:22 PM
My posts are rational, aren't they? Why else would Wodon get his knickers in such a twist over people's criticism of The Don? It has to be a crush. Adam is simply infatuated with Lucia like a 12 year old schoolgirl with Twilight. There really is no other explanation.

Turk 77
08-04-2010, 04:24 PM
I think its fair to say that the culture of Minnesota hockey has changed a bit, somewhat.

Gopher Hockey once represented the pinnacle of desire for the high end Minnesota High School player, with maybe an Olympic team or a pro career as icing on the cake after a Gophers' career. Sure, some Gophers left early and some made the pros, but being a Gopher really represented the top of the Minnesota development system - grow up, play hockey in your town, be the high school star, then play for the Gophers and see what happens.

In recent years, The Gophers' success at producing NHL players has changed the goalposts. High end prospects growing up in Minnesota now view the the NHL as the end game much like a Canadian prospect does. The Gophers are now much more of stepping stone than an end in itself. Few Gopher players go from HS to the Gophers in wide-eyed admiration for the opportunity to play for their home state - they now play HS, then play junior somehere else, and they see hockey as a business and by the time they arrive on campus at the U, the agents and NHL are waiting for them. These guys are thinking about paychecks and payoffs and the Maroon and Gold are mostly a stepping stone for that.

I think the other WCHA programs don't have as strong of a home state pride factor vortex, and they have been viewed as pro stepping stones for a longer time, and were faster adjusting to this reality. Nice post Swami I agree ;)

cg_siouxfan
08-04-2010, 05:06 PM
It's clear this person has no reading comprehension whatsoever. :(


Simpletons like your self seem to be produced in mass numbers in the Grand Forks area. Laugh it up dirty UND.


I am quickly loosing patience with the arrogance of many UND fans. News flash for you….you live in the ***** crack of America. Get over yourselves and try to act civilized when you follow your team.




No, we don't play teams with racist mascots.


While other coaches are complete class acts and only give the finger to the game officials.

You make siouxinminny look smart.


The internet has truly been a blessing to people like cg_siouxfan & Goon. Now they can achieve social interaction from the comfort of their mother’s basement.


you simply can't take Minnesota getting any attention at all .


None of it does and you are correct he can't handle any kind of Gopher press and he probably had to go curl up in the corner with his thumb in his mouth after reading it.


His thumb was in his mouth and his head was undoubtedly up his ***.


Most other posters have been able to discuss the issues raised rationally.


He wants Lucia to be a whiner so bad that's all he can see.


Hey I can quote people out of context too! Yippee

mookie1995
08-04-2010, 07:19 PM
Wodon is the best college hockey journalist in the country, IMHO. He writes fairly and is the best connected writer at a national level. That said, College hockey media simply can't behave like big media - like Tony Kornheiser or Mike Lupica and rip people left and right just to entertain. If Adam thinks someone is worth ripping, he will.

The college hockey world is small, and the pay and power of the media who cover it is low (or in some cases volunteer). They rarely bite the hand that feeds them, and for good reasons - 1) they need cooperation from the key people and 2) most of the people in college hockey are really good people and don't need to be bitten or ripped.

he loves our sport and knows that we love it just as much as he does. when he was writing here he made mistakes on two articles/columns. i emailed him and he replied back "stupid mistake" and edited the pieces.

he is not above his audience. doesn't blame 'editors'. steps up.

and honestly i welcome any person who can come in and give me information or a view on this sport that i wouldn't get otherwise. heck, i even enjoy hokydad! :p

J.D.
08-04-2010, 08:04 PM
Hey I can quote people out of context too! Yippee

Something about a blind squirrel and a nut comes to mind...

Happy
08-04-2010, 08:35 PM
It's interesting how these informative stories about the struggles of being an NCAA Division I men's hockey coach always come out after the Gophers lose a player. You didn't have a similar outcry from Dave Hakstol when David Toews left the Sioux this summer. Is it because the Sioux coaching staff did a better job of managing their team, so it wasn't a devastating loss? BC and BU fans have made the same argument about their teams ability to have success.




It's really too bad most of you people can't accept that people have different opinions and there are two sides to every situation.

Minnesota lost two first round hockey players, both who are considered locks to make the NHL by their NHL teams, and UND lost a player who isn't good, and didn't even really have future playing for UND. I don't see any rational comparison, do you really?

Happy
08-04-2010, 08:38 PM
Hey I can quote people out of context too! Yippee

I assume you once fell off the back of a sugar beet truck, and landed on your head. so what?

MinnesotaNorthStar
08-04-2010, 10:05 PM
Yep, lots of rational discussion here in these posts. :rolleyes:Hey, hey, hey....you know **** well you can't count Dirty. :p


Hey I can quote people out of context too! YippeeStill doesn't mean he was wrong...stop being a ******

jay ferguson
08-04-2010, 10:07 PM
I assume you once fell off the back of a sugar beet truck, and landed on your head. so what?

That's how Mike Fairbourne got that plate in his head.

Puck Swami
08-04-2010, 10:12 PM
heck, i even enjoy hokydad! :p

Me too. A guilty pleasure, indeed. :cool:

cg_siouxfan
08-04-2010, 10:22 PM
Still doesn't mean he was wrong...stop being a ******

BS.

I've added more substantive discussion to this thread than half the Gopher posters have. Sorry I'm not tiptoeing around all these babies and their egos.

ScoobyDoo
08-04-2010, 10:24 PM
BS.

I've added more substantive discussion to this thread than half the Gopher posters have. Sorry I'm not tiptoeing around all these babies and their egos.

:rolleyes:

Dirty
08-04-2010, 10:28 PM
Hey, hey, hey....you know **** well you can't count Dirty. :p

I do too count! I matter! Don't tell me I don't matter! :(

Bakunin
08-04-2010, 10:38 PM
BS.
A very succinct description of your posts.

HarleyMC
08-04-2010, 10:56 PM
I think its fair to say that the culture of Minnesota hockey has changed a bit, somewhat.

Gopher Hockey once represented the pinnacle of desire for the high end Minnesota High School player, with maybe an Olympic team or a pro career as icing on the cake after a Gophers' career. Sure, some Gophers left early and some made the pros, but being a Gopher really represented the top of the Minnesota development system - grow up, play hockey in your town, be the high school star, then play for the Gophers and see what happens.

In recent years, The Gophers' success at producing NHL players has changed the goalposts. High end prospects growing up in Minnesota now view the the NHL as the end game much like a Canadian prospect does. The Gophers are now much more of stepping stone than an end in itself. Few Gopher players go from HS to the Gophers in wide-eyed admiration for the opportunity to play for their home state - they now play HS, then play junior somehere else, and they see hockey as a business and by the time they arrive on campus at the U, the agents and NHL are waiting for them. These guys are thinking about paychecks and payoffs and the Maroon and Gold are mostly a stepping stone for that.

I think the other WCHA programs don't have as strong of a home state pride factor vortex, and they have been viewed as pro stepping stones for a longer time, and were faster adjusting to this reality.

I see your point PS, but without some significant qualitative research it's a bit difficult in my view to second guess the motives of nearly every player on the Gophers that openly admit playing for the Gophers was one of their primary goals growing up in Minnesota. Based on iteration, the dream of playing for the Minnesota Golden Gophers hockey team is still quite strong among young hockey players throughout the State. The CBA has taken the edge off a bit though, with obviously some of the players over recent years coming in with more realistic aspirations of making it to the pros.