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BoSox3066
03-10-2011, 05:06 PM
Couldn't find a separate recruits thread, but looks like you's guys are getting Colin Blackwell next year: http://www.salemnews.com/sports/x449487810/Blackwell-will-skip-juniors-play-at-Harvard

vicb
03-11-2011, 05:14 AM
Less than 13 hours to go to get your picks in. You have until 7PM toknight

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Veritas
03-12-2011, 01:25 AM
I could not go to Hanover but did listen on WHRB. Whrb had excellent broadcast coverage and I was happy for the win although I would have been happier and my blood pressure would have been a few point lower if the game had been a few points less close.

One question however. I got a phone call and missed a penalty. It was hooking by Dartmouth and embellishment by Killorn of Harvard. It is a rarely called penalty and I was wondering what happened and what it looked like.

bcfan131
03-12-2011, 11:54 AM
WOW! You guys are red hot. I'm glad to see you were able to turn it around after that loss to NU in the Beanpot. I would love to see you guys continue this streak and win the ECAC Tourney. College hockey in Boston is always that much more fun when Harvard is doing well.

alslammerz
03-12-2011, 04:36 PM
I could not go to Hanover but did listen on WHRB. Whrb had excellent broadcast coverage and I was happy for the win although I would have been happier and my blood pressure would have been a few point lower if the game had been a few points less close.

One question however. I got a phone call and missed a penalty. It was hooking by Dartmouth and embellishment by Killorn of Harvard. It is a rarely called penalty and I was wondering what happened and what it looked like.

Back ref called the hook, front ref called embellishment. I thought Killorn just went down with the hook to be honest.

eaglehockeyrules
03-12-2011, 05:32 PM
I too, hope that this winning combination continues. I still think Donato lacks a lot of coaching skill. Should have, would have, could have... Could'a been one heck of a season if Ted had benched Richter and played Carroll all season long, just what could have been?! As everyone said in this thread, way back when LeBlanc left early, this H team has a lot talent on paper - what lacks is strong conditioning and experienced coaching.

I hope they continue on, but the reality is, this is the ECAC and the teams they've played are rather weak... especially compared to ranked teams. Yes, the Beanpot Consolation win against BU was great, but it was the consolation - still a win is still a win.

Irony, H wins 7 more and hoists a national championship banner... we'll still be under .500.

Regardless of this late season flurry, IMHO, Ted should leave the program.

eaglehockeyrules
03-13-2011, 07:37 PM
Darn shame, better luck next year. 12-21-1 is no way a Harvard team should be going through the season. Great kids, great school, but a rotten coaching staff.

J.D.
03-13-2011, 11:12 PM
I'm as skeptical of Donato as anyone, but it tells me something when you see them play hard for him like they did down the stretch.

I'm not a Harvard fan, so what are the expectations for next year? Who do you lose? Does everyone expect an improvement?

sam12
03-14-2011, 09:53 AM
I think it shows something that they didnt play for him all year....I think the stretch run has nothing to do with him and more to do with the players coming together and the seniors appreciating that their 4years were almost over. We see this every year; awful season and then the team decides to play at the end.

J.D.
03-14-2011, 11:23 AM
If that's the case--that they only put their best effort forward for a stretch run, that says more about the players lack of character than anything about the coach IMO. You play hard no matter what.

Hokydad
03-14-2011, 01:55 PM
If that's the case--that they only put their best effort forward for a stretch run, that says more about the players lack of character than anything about the coach IMO. You play hard no matter what.

Exactly, sounds like great wall street guys in a few years. Whatever it takes at the end to get the bonus but who cares the rest of the year....

team came together and looks bright going forward. He is the right guy for the job

eaglehockeyrules
03-14-2011, 02:42 PM
Exactly, sounds like great wall street guys in a few years. Whatever it takes at the end to get the bonus but who cares the rest of the year....

team came together and looks bright going forward. He is the right guy for the job

What on earth are you smoking? First, you slam the integrity of every H player based on a very bad presumption that someone else tossed out here. Then you claim Donato is the right guy for the job?! Is he "really" the right guy for the job? Especially since Ted COULD NOT motivate his players to successfully earn WINS. So all of the players must be Wall Street Greedy Gaints, in the future, err... ahhh... yeah.

Great job McFly.

Logic, get some.

sam12
03-14-2011, 02:57 PM
What I said was just a theory, but it also came out wrong. I wasn't trying to question the players character, rather I was trying to point out that this has happened to an extent for a while now, and that it simply isn't good enough for the team to have late run and be satisfied with it.

J.D.
03-14-2011, 04:08 PM
Point taken, but either way you look at it, sounds like everyone should share the blame then--not just the coach.

TopShelf999
03-14-2011, 04:29 PM
Exactly, sounds like great wall street guys in a few years. Whatever it takes at the end to get the bonus but who cares the rest of the year....

team came together and looks bright going forward. He is the right guy for the job
do you just go on random threads and **** people off?

Hokydad
03-14-2011, 05:02 PM
What on earth are you smoking? First, you slam the integrity of every H player based on a very bad presumption that someone else tossed out here. Then you claim Donato is the right guy for the job?! Is he "really" the right guy for the job? Especially since Ted COULD NOT motivate his players to successfully earn WINS. So all of the players must be Wall Street Greedy Gaints, in the future, err... ahhh... yeah.

Great job McFly.

Logic, get some.

That was my point... These are college kids who are not getting paid. They play hard every game and didnt mail it in. These are not pros waiting for a contract year. Coincidence that it came together when it did and it looks good going forward. The real problem with Harvard has more to do with the age of their kids. They have stuck with the traditional approach and take many 18 and 19 year olds. All in a league like Union, Cornell etc, loaded with 24 and 25 year old Canadians. H basketball and football dont have to deal with that.

eaglehockeyrules
03-15-2011, 10:17 AM
Hogwash! H could easily have 24-25 year olds, they are just as much Ivy, as is Cornell, and vice versa. Yale abides by the same NCAA and Ivy League rules, regulations and policies; how do you attribute the Eli #1 PWR ranking? Aside from alma mater loyalty, is Harvard really "more special" than the rest of the Ivies who sport hockey teams?

You implied the H kids lost 21 games on purpose, so have some courage and call it for what it is: rotten conditioning and rotten coaching. Every year, H gets commitments from highly regarded recruits who come to H and do not live up to the hype. I'd say the recruiters and coaching staff should take the hit on the chin for that one - for years now.

I am tired of the excuses of academics too, or how the game has changed so much. Nonsense, rotten coaching PERIOD Go Yale! Go Cornell!

No matter who you blame, the common denominator at H, I firmly believe, comes down to coaching. Not everyone can be a Tim Murphy at H, but no one should aspire to be a Donato either. Just because you hold a Harvard degree and were an average college player does not mean you can coach; sure Ted is swell guy, was a good student, an average NHLer, but he had no coaching experience (psst, kind of like Obama - how is that working out?!).

For me... H hockey is like an alcohol or other controlled substance abuse case study: H fans present with [euphoria] talking about and signing recruits on USCHO, [transition] watching H go up, but more down in a miserable under-achieving season, and finally [dysphoria] watching H end up < .500 only to start the cycle all over, predicated on a hope.

But hey, 12 wins is better than the previous two seasons of 9 wins, right?! Good job Donato, the kids finally wanted to win a couple of games for you! H hockey has become an utter dismal program under Donato, and that is his legacy. Success to some, would have been a trip to Semi-Finals with a 12 or 13 win season. As a college hockey fan, player, and alum... it ticks me off.

Hokydad
03-15-2011, 10:34 AM
Ok

144 points and a national championship at Harvard in 108 games seems a hair better than an avg college player

close to 800 NHL games and 350 points also means a hell of an NHL carear.

14-12
12-14
7-18
8-15
11-14
13-15
10-14

This was a 7 year stretch by Bill Cleary a few years before he won the NCAA's
Also went 13-14 the year after they did win it

Harvard hoceky is fine and is in fact the youngest Ivy team by a mile. Looks to be a good year next season

CMKnight
03-15-2011, 01:26 PM
Congrats to Harvard and Teddy for ending the season on a high note. They left it all on the ice in Hanover and simply lost to a better team. It took a long time for this team to jell but when they did they produced some of their best hockey when it mattered most.

Gone are the days when Harvard can simply waltz to a first place finish. The parity in the league is much greater these days. There are 5 ECAC teams in the Top 20 and the 12th seed (Colgate ) just knocked the top seed out of the ECAC tournament. The pre-season media poll had us picked for 10th and that's where we ended up. They might have missed the boat on other teams but I think most folks saw this Harvard team for what they were: not the most talented Harvard team. Teddy often struggled to find the right mix of spare parts that could get the job done. It was the type of situation that would have challenged any coach and most hockey journalists realized that would be the case this season. Next year Teddy will have some big challenges to overcome but I believe the '11-'12 Harvard edition will be improved.

bothman
03-15-2011, 05:25 PM
As we look to next season, below is how I would break things down:

Why Harvard fans have reason to be Optimistic:
1) Assuming no one leaves early (Danny Biega & Killorn are only real candidates), Harvard returns 72% of its goals scored (the only real goal scoring loss is Mike Biega with 11 goals)
2) Harvard only loses one defenseman (Huxley) of their Top 8
3) With a very strong recruiting class coming in (I know, don't overhype), competition will be fierce, particularly on the blue line. It is very likely that some returning guys will see diminished playing time next year without improvement


Why Harvard fans have reason to be Pessimistic:
1) Harvard loses both goalies that saw any real time this year, and will most likely be starting a frosh with no college experience
2) Harvard's best defensive defenseman returns, but was a team worst -19 (This will have to improve next year with a frosh between the pipes)
3) Same coaching staff (for those who believe this is the real issue)