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    As many of you know, the OHL has ramped up it's educational offerings in recent years to keep promising Canadians players at home and to entice American players to spurn the NCAA and go north to play in the OHL.

    Considering this was written by an OHL-team beat writer in Canada, its a a great and very frank look at this fascinating situation...

    http://news.therecord.com/article/645999

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    Re: Fascinating story on reality of OHL education packages vs NCAA

    Wow. Heck of an article.
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    • #3
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      Holy crap.

      This article is... eye-opening. And it's pretty much what we all suspected.
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      • #4
        Re: Fascinating story on reality of OHL education packages vs NCAA

        I remember reading that article a couple months ago.
        Pretty eye-opening, indeed.
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        • #5
          Re: Fascinating story on reality of OHL education packages vs NCAA

          Originally posted by Runninwiththedogs View Post
          Holy crap.

          This article is... eye-opening. And it's pretty much what we all suspected.
          I wonder how many OHLers advance on to pro hockey... I'm not defending them... but I'm sure a lot of these guys will try to toil in their dreams for a few years... but by then they'll be in their mid-20s and see school as a 4 year (probably more) experience while they have to deal with other issues (families they may have started... being able to pay for being a student in general). Nevertheless, that can go along way into players becoming college students later on... I don't care enough to investigate the particulars of what the OHL gives them (and how soon they have to use it)... but, yeah... its not waiting out there for them.

          College gives you an opportunity to go to school and play until you're 24 (we know so many hockey players start at 20)... I know a lot of these guys just want to play hockey as long as you can... if you are an OHLer who does it and then strikes out for the low minors you won't complete the duo until you're say 27-30 if you figure a minor-pro career of 2-3 years plus the 4-6 it'll take to do college.

          It really is no small thing... graduate (or nearly graduate) at 24... 2 years behind some of your peers... come out with very few school related bills and loans... have the opporunity to proceed to minor hockey if its available.

          The problem is people aways think in terms of the best case scenario often out of not knowing what can happen in these situations... then again that happens when you're being sold dreams.

          edit: I wonder how much the "who needs college" idea holds up in Canadian hockey circles? I know anti-intellectualism thrives in some cultures... could we have a strain of it in the major junior circuits?
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            Interesting swami.
            I wonder what percentage of NCAA kids graduate and about how much their financial package was worth overall.
            If we knew how much does that average NCAA player actually got when he was done playing vs how much does the average OHL player actually got when he's done, it would be an interesting comparison.
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            • #7
              Re: Fascinating story on reality of OHL education packages vs NCAA

              Originally posted by Patman View Post
              I wonder how many OHLers advance on to pro hockey... I'm not defending them... but I'm sure a lot of these guys will try to toil in their dreams for a few years... but by then they'll be in their mid-20s and see school as a 4 year (probably more) experience while they have to deal with other issues (families they may have started... being able to pay for being a student in general). Nevertheless, that can go along way into players becoming college students later on... I don't care enough to investigate the particulars of what the OHL gives them (and how soon they have to use it)... but, yeah... its not waiting out there for them.

              College gives you an opportunity to go to school and play until you're 24 (we know so many hockey players start at 20)... I know a lot of these guys just want to play hockey as long as you can... if you are an OHLer who does it and then strikes out for the low minors you won't complete the duo until you're say 27-30 if you figure a minor-pro career of 2-3 years plus the 4-6 it'll take to do college.

              It really is no small thing... graduate (or nearly graduate) at 24... 2 years behind some of your peers... come out with very few school related bills and loans... have the opporunity to proceed to minor hockey if its available.

              The problem is people aways think in terms of the best case scenario often out of not knowing what can happen in these situations... then again that happens when you're being sold dreams.

              edit: I wonder how much the "who needs college" idea holds up in Canadian hockey circles? I know anti-intellectualism thrives in some cultures... could we have a strain of it in the major junior circuits?
              Are you making a point here? I don't see one.

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                Re: Fascinating story on reality of OHL education packages vs NCAA

                Originally posted by manurespreader View Post
                Interesting swami.
                I wonder what percentage of NCAA kids graduate and about how much their financial package was worth overall.
                If we knew how much does that average NCAA player actually got when he was done playing vs how much does the average OHL player actually got when he's done, it would be an interesting comparison.
                According to the Knight Commission in a report released last year the NCAA claims nearly 80% of NCAA student-athletes who entered college between 1999 and 2002 graduated within 6 years. Men's basketball and baseball and football have lower rates, and hockey, as well as some other sports, have an even higher rate at many schools. I believe in a press release trumpeting the latest APR scores, the NCAA even singles out hockey as being exceptional.
                Last edited by IrishHockeyFan; 06-17-2010, 06:41 PM.

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                • #9
                  Re: Fascinating story on reality of OHL education packages vs NCAA

                  Originally posted by Patman View Post


                  edit: I wonder how much the "who needs college" idea holds up in Canadian hockey circles? I know anti-intellectualism thrives in some cultures... could we have a strain of it in the major junior circuits?
                  Anti-intellectualism in some cultures and its impact on the education (or lack thereof) of some people is something worthy of a thread of its own, but I could see it very quickly devolving into a flame-fest of epic proportions. Could be fun .

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                  • #10
                    Re: Fascinating story on reality of OHL education packages vs NCAA

                    Very interesting article, something a lot of parents and players dont realize when they're looking into options. This is info parents of 16-17 yr olds need to know.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Fascinating story on reality of OHL education packages vs NCAA

                      It is no secret that it's hard to be a student-athlete. I can't imagine how hard it would be if most of your teammates have lots of free time while you are studying. In college, at least all the guys are in the same situation.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Fascinating story on reality of OHL education packages vs NCAA

                        I have been lambasted here because I said I thought the "style" of junior hockey was more suited to some players going pro. I never meant to suggest that foregoing schooling was a good idea. Canadian Junior hockey is a business, a very lucrative business. Treating a teen age kid like a mini NHL er for a few years can be quite a draw for the young man. Unfortunately the young man frequently fails to plan for the future ( not making the NHL). Of course getting a college degree insures a better future for a player than playing hockey night and day for four or five years. After reading this article I would never recommend a young man forego a college education for Junior hockey. It's very cynical and duplicitous to dangle carrots in front of naive young men. Obviously the league figures these kids will go to the ECHL etc. and let them off the hook for the "scholarship". I stand corrected. An education and a better life is far more important than a Junior Hockey lottery ticket.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Fascinating story on reality of OHL education packages vs NCAA

                          Using the Cam Fowler example of the $50,000 per year scholarship to Notre Dame mentioned in the article.

                          College Hockey Inc would be well advised to come up with a pamphlet for prospects that would list the "true value" of a four year scholarship to Notre Dame, BC, Michigan, DU, Wisconsin and the other 53 D-1 schools.

                          Notre Dame
                          4 years Tuition & Housing $200,000
                          Books $3,000
                          4 years Weight Training $35,000
                          4 years Full Time Medical Attention & Insurance $25,000
                          Unlimited Ice Time $25,000
                          Nutritionists & Dietitians $10,000
                          Academic Tutors $5,000
                          Air Fares & Hotels $35,000
                          & so on....

                          Add up the numbers and it probably comes to $750,000 or more "TAX FREE"

                          Then tell the parents to get the OHL to match that package.
                          Last edited by dggoddard; 06-18-2010, 10:27 AM.

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                            Re: Fascinating story on reality of OHL education packages vs NCAA

                            Originally posted by dggoddard View Post
                            Using the Cam Fowler example of the $50,000 per year scholarship to Notre Dame mentioned in the article.

                            College Hockey Inc would be well advised to come up with a pamphlet for prospects that would list the "true value" of a four year scholarship to Notre Dame, BC, Michigan, DU, Wisconsin and the other 53 D-1 schools.

                            Notre Dame
                            4 years Tuition & Housing $200,000
                            Books $3,000
                            4 years Weight Training $35,000
                            4 years Full Time Medical Attention & Insurance $25,000
                            Unlimited Ice Time $25,000
                            Nutritionists & Dietitians $10,000
                            Academic Tutors $5,000
                            Air Fares & Hotels $35,000
                            & so on....

                            Add up the numbers and it probably comes to $750,000 or more "TAX FREE"

                            Then tell the parents to get the OHL to match that package.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Fascinating story on reality of OHL education packages vs NCAA

                              Originally posted by sbkbghockey View Post
                              Very interesting article, something a lot of parents and players dont realize when they're looking into options. This is info parents of 16-17 yr olds need to know.
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