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Puck Swami
05-24-2010, 11:19 AM
Interesting numbers to compare.

College Hockey attendance here:
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/almanac/attendance.php

College Baseball attendance here:
http://www.sportswriters.net/ncbwa/news/2010/100503attendance.pdf

Nick Papagiorgio
05-24-2010, 11:39 AM
BU clearly draws more for hockey than they do for baseball and football combined... Impressive! :D

blockski
05-24-2010, 11:52 AM
Interesting numbers to compare.

College Hockey attendance here:
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/almanac/attendance.php

College Baseball attendance here:
http://www.sportswriters.net/ncbwa/news/2010/100503attendance.pdf

Interesting. Hockey edges slightly higher, but with far fewer home games (16-20 games compared to southern baseball schools getting 25-30+).

Interesting outliers, too - Wisconsin had the Camp Randall outdoor game, while Minnesota and Louisiana Tech had their 'preview' game at Target Field.

32 baseball games with more than 10k in attendance. Of those, 1 was the Target Field game. Only 4 of those were games other than @LSU - and one of them was an LSU road trip (LSU @ Ole Miss).

Would be interesting to see a capacity analysis...

ExileOnDaytonStreet
05-24-2010, 11:52 AM
Score one for the good guys!

Also:


You're welcome.

Signed,

Wisconsin, North Dakota and Minnesota

Agganis
05-24-2010, 11:54 AM
BU clearly draws more for hockey than they do for baseball and football combined... Impressive! :D

Well BU had as many home games make the list of the ~800 highest attended baseball games this year as BC did;) :D

Puck Swami
05-24-2010, 11:56 AM
OK - good point, Sean!

Here are home numbers for baseball (09):

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/baseball_RB/2010/attendance.pdf

Not a huge difference.

The WCHA is very similar to SEC baseball.

unofan
05-24-2010, 02:06 PM
Interesting. Hockey edges slightly higher, but with far fewer home games (16-20 games compared to southern baseball schools getting 25-30+).

Interesting outliers, too - Wisconsin had the Camp Randall outdoor game, while Minnesota and Louisiana Tech had their 'preview' game at Target Field.

32 baseball games with more than 10k in attendance. Of those, 1 was the Target Field game. Only 4 of those were games other than @LSU - and one of them was an LSU road trip (LSU @ Ole Miss).

Would be interesting to see a capacity analysis...

Course, last year the Nebraska-Creighton game at Rosenblatt in May that usually draws 15000+ got rained out.

This year both teams really, really suck, but I think it still got 10,000.

Happy
05-26-2010, 05:31 AM
OK - good point, Sean!

Here are home numbers for baseball (09):

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/baseball_RB/2010/attendance.pdf

Not a huge difference.

The WCHA is very similar to SEC baseball.

somwhow, I get the feeling it costs a lot more to buy a regular season ticket to see a Minnesota hockey game, than to see a LSU baseball game.

moose97
05-26-2010, 09:37 AM
somwhow, I get the feeling it costs a lot more to buy a regular season ticket to see a Minnesota hockey game, than to see a LSU baseball game.

$5 for kids, and $10 or $15 per game for LSU (http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=177299)... Of course, they also had 37 home games compared to 19 Gopher hockey home games.

Federal League
05-26-2010, 02:05 PM
40 of the 58 D1 hockey teams averaged 2,000+ fans per game. Only 29 of the 301 D1 baseball teams averaged 2,000+. 12 hockey teams averaged 5,000+, while only 6 baseball teams did.

Red_Rob
05-26-2010, 02:13 PM
Nice to see we still do better than a couple NHL teams.
http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance

JRZ DVLS
05-26-2010, 02:34 PM
I am guessing that the RIT games at the BCA do not count on this.

quiddlet
05-26-2010, 04:35 PM
I'd be curious if hockey outdraws lacrosse and women's basketball as well...

Federal League
05-26-2010, 04:57 PM
I'd be curious if hockey outdraws lacrosse and women's basketball as well...

It does outdraw lax: http://www.laxpower.com/laxnews/news.php?story=15477

The very top compares favorably to women's bball, but women's bball runs away with it after that: http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/weeklyrpi/2010WBBattend1.html (Note: For some reason, half the w. bball page is white. Just keep scrolling. You'll get to numbers eventually.)

moose97
05-26-2010, 05:42 PM
The very top compares favorably to women's bball, but women's bball runs away with it after that: http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/weeklyrpi/2010WBBattend1.html (Note: For some reason, half the w. bball page is white. Just keep scrolling. You'll get to numbers eventually.)

Well, if you follow this logic:

40 of the 58 D1 hockey teams averaged 2,000+ fans per game. Only 29 of the 301 D1 baseball teams averaged 2,000+. 12 hockey teams averaged 5,000+, while only 6 baseball teams did.

Then only 66 of the 338 are over 2,000 per game. Even if you extend to those over 1,000, the fugure increases to 132 of the 338. So:

69% of Hockey teams are over 2,000 per game (86% over 1,000 - 21% over 5,000)
10% of Baseball teams are over 2,000 (don't have all listed over 1,000 - 2% are over 5,000)
20% of Women's Basketball are over 2,000 (39% over 1,000 - 4% over 2,000)
17% of lax are over 2,000 (don't have all listed over 1,000 - 5% over 5,000)

Seems to me Hockey wins big on all accounts...

Federal League
05-26-2010, 06:17 PM
Well, if you follow this logic:


Then only 66 of the 338 are over 2,000 per game. Even if you extend to those over 1,000, the fugure increases to 132 of the 338. So:

69% of Hockey teams are over 2,000 per game (86% over 1,000 - 21% over 5,000)
10% of Baseball teams are over 2,000 (don't have all listed over 1,000 - 2% are over 5,000)
20% of Women's Basketball are over 2,000 (39% over 1,000 - 4% over 2,000)
17% of lax are over 2,000 (don't have all listed over 1,000 - 5% over 5,000)

Seems to me Hockey wins big on all accounts...

Fair enough. But keep in mind that 78% of college hockey teams play in a "major" conference. Even if you include mid-majors, that number isn't nearly as high in women's basketball. I think that has a lot to do with it. I'd be willing to bet Merrimack would not have broken the 2,000 plateau if it were in the AHA or CHA instead of Hockey East.

I guess I just have a hard time saying hockey draws better than women's basketball. The fact that there are so many fewer D1 hockey teams no doubt boosts those percentages. What if women's basketball could be as selective about who gets to play D1 as college hockey is? Almost every college hockey team has a realistic chance of competing for a national championship somewhere along the line. Bemidji and RIT have proven that. How many women's basketball programs have absolutely no hope of ever competing for a national title? A lot.

blockski
05-26-2010, 06:19 PM
Well, there's attendance and then there's revenue. Hockey is at least a strong revenue sport for several schools.

moose97
05-26-2010, 08:00 PM
Fair enough. But keep in mind that 78% of college hockey teams play in a "major" conference. Even if you include mid-majors, that number isn't nearly as high in women's basketball. I think that has a lot to do with it. I'd be willing to bet Merrimack would not have broken the 2,000 plateau if it were in the AHA or CHA instead of Hockey East.

Well, yeah, but the question wasn't which sport draws more overall (or based on a structure of majors to mid-majors), it was which has better attendance. Overall, you can't dispute that hockey draws the best (when looking at the whole rather than just select teams).

I guess I just have a hard time saying hockey draws better than women's basketball. The fact that there are so many fewer D1 hockey teams no doubt boosts those percentages. What if women's basketball could be as selective about who gets to play D1 as college hockey is?

Um, what? Last I checked, every school listed as a women's basketball school was able to play D-I hockey too. It's not like hockey is any more selective than any other sport - most schools just have decided to not offer it. (And, in fact, hockey is more inclusive, since D-II or D-III play-ups have never been allowed in basketball)

Almost every college hockey team has a realistic chance of competing for a national championship somewhere along the line. Bemidji and RIT have proven that. How many women's basketball programs have absolutely no hope of ever competing for a national title? A lot.

Every one not named UConn. :eek: :D ;)