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hawkhockey
05-19-2010, 07:26 AM
Does anyone have any info. on the current(?) moratoriums of colleges moving their athletic program,including hockey, to DIII or to DI.Are the moratoriums still in place, if so, for how long?what would be the time line for gaining aceptance to DI/III.also,any idea what is involved in moving a hockey program,only, to DI
Thanks

CARDS_rule_the_Burgh
05-19-2010, 10:12 AM
Does anyone have any info. on the current(?) moratoriums of colleges moving their athletic program,including hockey, to DIII or to DI.Are the moratoriums still in place, if so, for how long?what would be the time line for gaining aceptance to DI/III.also,any idea what is involved in moving a hockey program,only, to DI
Thanks

DI Moratorium FAQ (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaahome?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/ncaa/NCAA/About%20The%20NCAA/Membership/Membership%20Requirements%20and%20Waivers/Division%20I/DIMoratoriumFAQ):

Pertinent Info:

Q. What is the scheduled duration of the moratorium?
A. The moratorium is imposed for a four-year period and is scheduled to expire August 9, 2011, prior to the beginning of the 2011-2012 academic year.

Q. What is the scope of the moratorium?
A. During the four-year period of the moratorium, no institution may begin the NCAA Division I provisional or reclassification membership process, no institution may begin the Division I multidivision membership reclassification process and no new single sport or multisport conference shall be elected to Division I conference membership.

Q. Is it permissible for an institution to begin the exploratory membership process during the moratorium?
A. No. Institutions may not begin the exploratory year of the provisional or reclassification process during the moratorium. Institutions may start an exploratory year beginning with the 2011-2012 academic year. Petitions to begin the exploratory year during the 2011-12 academic year should be received in the NCAA national office not later than June 1, 2011.

And in regards to single-sport reclassifications: be wary. In October of 2009, the DI Leadership council gave official support (http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/DI_MC_BOD/DI_LC/2009/October/Leadership_Council_report_10_9.pdf) tp the following propsals (among others):

All potential new members of Division I should enter the division through a five-year “reclassification” process following membership in Division II as described in Bylaw 20.5.1, and only after presenting a bona fide offer of membership from a Division I multisport, voting conference. The sponsoring conference will be expected to provide appropriate guidance and counsel, assist with scheduling, monitor student-athlete well being and enhance accountability during the transition process.
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Action: Based on counsel from Division II, the group agreed that active membership in Division II for five years should be required before beginning a “reclassification” transition to Division I. It was noted that this time period both provides the institution the opportunity to participate fully in Division II, and offers more insight into effects on the student-athlete experience than an immediate transition into, and out of, Division II.

3 years provision DII + 5 years active DII + 5 years provisional DI = 13 years before your team would be eligible for a championship. And before that final 5 year clock could begin, a conference would need to offer membership.


But, perhaps more importantly, they also supported this proposal:

The multi-divisional practice permitting a Division II or III institution to designate one men’s and one women’s sport in Division I, except in football or men’s or women’s basketball shall be discontinued upon the completion of the 2010-11 academic year. Division II and III institutions that sponsor sports teams in Division I in 2010-11 may continue to do so in the sports so designated but will forfeit this opportunity permanently if it fails to conduct the sport in Division I in any ensuing academic year. No change is recommended for participation in national collegiate championships.
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Action: Confirmed support.

If that formally gets passed, then a hockey team wishing to jump up to DI would need to convince their entire athletic department to enter than 13-year DI reclassification process mentioned above... quite the tall order.




As for the DIII moratorium: My understanding of it is that the 2066 DIII Convention approved a cap on DIII membership, which has been reached. This will remain into effect until such a time as the DIII membership sees its end as appropriate and it is cancelled in a future DIII convention. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

joecct
05-19-2010, 12:29 PM
"You must spread reputation around...."

Great points! You may also want to look at the effects of a D-III play up school reclassifying back to D-III. IIRC, there is a "cleansing" period before the school can be eligible for a D-III championship.

NUProf
05-20-2010, 06:17 AM
More evidence that the current powers of the NCAA view the organization as a marketing group for the megaprograms and don't want to allow smaller schools to be upwardly mobile. Heaven forbid if a small school took some of the glory that rightfully belongs to USC, Notre Dame, Duke or any of them.

Fie on the RITs, RPIs, St. Lawrences, and Colorado Colleges, etc. for trying to usurp the hockey glory that is the birthright of Wisconsin.

3rdLiner
05-20-2010, 08:28 AM
It is too bad that it is so tough for a good school to play up. Based on the success that RIT had this year I would be interested in seeing schools like Midd, Norwich, and Platty make a run, I know they might not want to, but with the interlock possibly ending and the ECAC East in a tough spot it would be a nice option for Norwich to move up to the Atlantic Hockey. They have the facilities and the funding..... But NCAA has made that virtually impossible.

Matthew Webb
05-20-2010, 08:36 AM
...hockey glory that is the birthright of Wisconsin.

Don't you mean Minnesota or Boston? :)

PSUChamps2001
05-20-2010, 08:45 AM
It is too bad that it is so tough for a good school to play up. Based on the success that RIT had this year I would be interested in seeing schools like Midd, Norwich, and Platty make a run, I know they might not want to, but with the interlock possibly ending and the ECAC East in a tough spot it would be a nice option for Norwich to move up to the Atlantic Hockey. They have the facilities and the funding..... But NCAA has made that virtually impossible.

I don't think you will ever see Plattsburgh, or any SUNY school, make the jump up like RIT unless it was the whole athletic program. Those schools don't have the finacial backing with an alumni fund like RIT has to attract kids with out scholarships. If anyone I think Midd could, but thats about it...

NUProf
05-20-2010, 11:33 AM
Another little subtlety in all this - all new DI members will have to belong to a conference. No more independents. Once Notre Dame joins the Big Howevermany it is, there won't be any more DI independents.

Matthew Webb
05-20-2010, 11:42 AM
Another little subtlety in all this - all new DI members will have to belong to a conference. No more independents. Once Notre Dame joins the Big Howevermany it is, there won't be any more DI independents.

In what sport? Notre Dame is a member of the CCHA for hockey and in football for example Army and Navy are still out there as independents as well.

NUProf
05-20-2010, 11:56 AM
In what sport? Notre Dame is a member of the CCHA for hockey and in football for example Army and Navy are still out there as independents as well.

Show how much I care about non-hockey sports. I knew ND was in the CCHA

Scott Biggar
05-20-2010, 12:33 PM
No more independents. Once Notre Dame joins the Big Howevermany it is, there won't be any more DI independents.

Say hello to Alabama-Huntsville.

Russell Jaslow
05-20-2010, 12:39 PM
Show how much I care about non-hockey sports. I knew ND was in the CCHA

Plus, Notre Dame belongs to the Big East in all other sports.

Russell Jaslow
05-20-2010, 12:41 PM
I don't think you will ever see Plattsburgh, or any SUNY school, make the jump up like RIT unless it was the whole athletic program. Those schools don't have the finacial backing with an alumni fund like RIT has to attract kids with out scholarships. If anyone I think Midd could, but thats about it...

And of course Middlebury never would because it goes completely against their philosophy on college athletics. Heck, they wanted a Div. IV. :eek:

PrezdeJohnson09
05-20-2010, 12:57 PM
I don't think you will ever see Plattsburgh, or any SUNY school, make the jump up like RIT unless it was the whole athletic program. Those schools don't have the finacial backing with an alumni fund like RIT has to attract kids with out scholarships. If anyone I think Midd could, but thats about it...

Norwich.

NUProf
05-20-2010, 03:35 PM
And of course Middlebury never would because it goes completely against their philosophy on college athletics. Heck, they wanted a Div. IV. :eek:

Maybe that's what the NESCAC will become ...

Henry
05-20-2010, 09:32 PM
I think UB, Binghamton, Albany and Stony Brook are D1 SUNY schools. I suppose they could have D1 hockey. Other states have state schools with D 1 hockey. They don t give out as many scholarships as you think. I don't think RIT gives out any.

PSUChamps2001
05-20-2010, 09:45 PM
I think UB, Binghamton, Albany and Stony Brook are D1 SUNY schools. I suppose they could have D1 hockey. Other states have state schools with D 1 hockey. They don t give out as many scholarships as you think. I don't think RIT gives out any.

yes they may be...but how well are any of those programs? Nuff said. RIT doesn't give any out, we know that, but they give out large amounts of Fin Aid that State schools can not do....

Russell Jaslow
05-21-2010, 08:02 AM
I think UB, Binghamton, Albany and Stony Brook are D1 SUNY schools. I suppose they could have D1 hockey. Other states have state schools with D 1 hockey. They don t give out as many scholarships as you think. I don't think RIT gives out any.

Those four schools will not be starting a hockey program anytime soon. They are pretty much maxed out with the money it takes to run D1 programs in sports such as BB, football, lacrosse. Travel alone costs a pretty penny for some of the conferences they are in. (Binghamton once had a hockey team back during it's D3 days, and it was horrible -- along the lines of St. Bona and Scranton. No school support whatsoever, and they were forced to drop their program just before the season started because not enough players showed up for tryouts.)

Interestingly, of those four, Stony Brook has a better chance than Buffalo. At one time, the Islanders were looking to partner with a college to help promote college hockey on Long Island, but nothing ever came of it.

hawkhockey
05-21-2010, 08:26 AM
So ,I guess what we are saying is that for a DII school to make a NCAA move for hockey purposes(alone) is that it is impossible to move to DIII now and that when the DIII moratorium is lifted they would have to move all of their sport programs to DIII to be considered.
As for a DII team to move their hockey program up to DI, the moratorium is in place and it would be a difficult and time consuming process if and when the moratorium is lifted?

norm1909
05-21-2010, 09:09 AM
Quoting Emery:

There’s a lot a talk about St Mike's going Division III finally, all of their sports going Division III.

That I suspect is the best hope for DIII adding a team.