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NMU8405
05-17-2010, 02:47 PM
Id put Lindenwood and Navy as schools most likely to go D-1 in Hockey.

FlagDUDE08
05-17-2010, 02:55 PM
I don't know why we're bringing Title IX into the argument, unless we're talking about Syracuse or Wayne State. Start both a men's and women's team; the fielding of players is the same.

Red Cloud
05-17-2010, 03:22 PM
I don't know why we're bringing Title IX into the argument, unless we're talking about Syracuse or Wayne State. Start both a men's and women's team; the fielding of players is the same.

Stop. I don't want you to get hurt.

Red Cloud
05-17-2010, 03:24 PM
You'd rather never make the Frozen Four than make it get beat badly? I mean, fine with me -- more for the rest of us -- but winning a regional is winning a regional, man.

Oh for the love of God. This is what you took away from that? :rolleyes:

First, I didn't say "never." Second, I really don't have to worry about "never," now do I? It's already happened multiple times.

Grow up. Learn to take criticism.

pinch
05-17-2010, 03:50 PM
I don't know why we're bringing Title IX into the argument, unless we're talking about Syracuse or Wayne State. Start both a men's and women's team; the fielding of players is the same.

Because most Athletic Depts are not just looking to bleed themselves of cash... I would guess that without Title IX womens hockey would be played at the club level almost exclusively

RedFreak
05-17-2010, 03:57 PM
A successful initiative needs a snazzy name. With "Project 70", I'd say success is assured.

Hammer
05-18-2010, 09:15 AM
Another issue, Why would a big school in the sunbelt start a program when only a handful of athletes play ice hockey in any particular state? The University of Texas doesn't have a mens soccer team and yet almost 1 million children are registered to play youth soccer in Texas.

Well, yeah. They're developing kickers for the varsity football teams.

komey1
05-18-2010, 06:23 PM
Oh for the love of God. This is what you took away from that? :rolleyes:

First, I didn't say "never." Second, I really don't have to worry about "never," now do I? It's already happened multiple times.

Grow up. Learn to take criticism.

There are a lot of valid points in your blog. Some of which were the same thing I was thinking when I read his article. It would be nice to see UB get a team and Canisius to get a rink, but I wouldn't want to place bets on either.

I'll disagree with you on the not wanting to have your team make the Frozen Four and losing big-time vrs. not being there at all - but that's just me.

As for comparing RIT with George Mason - time will tell. It's going to be very difficult (at least in AHA standards) to win the conference with the additions of Niagara and Robert Morris. But I do believe RIT will be making return trips to the NCAA in the near future.

komey1
05-19-2010, 05:43 PM
So much for Project 70.... Can we try for Project 59?

ExileOnDaytonStreet
05-24-2010, 05:12 PM
This school (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/bootsy-collins-launching-funk-university/story?id=10704312&page=1).

Make it happen.

cycledown
05-24-2010, 06:13 PM
First of all I want to thank Patman for taking the intiative to carry-over the discussion on college hockey expansion and to all the current posters for making the effort to be objective about the future of college hockey. I believe quite few of the USCHO posters know my stance and would like to take this post and comment on Title IX.

Do any of you here think there can be effort to modify the title? or better yet should the title be modified at all? I have been looking for the people(S) whom can make a diiference on the issue but to move further along it would be nice to have some constructive and specific support from posters on this board.

CHFAN222
05-24-2010, 06:24 PM
How about this idea. Some people write letters to College Hockey Inc. They try to establish a 501 c 3 that will have the two goals. 1) Helping to keep current programs afloat. 2) Helping to establish new programs. They can sponsor events and ask for donations that help to fulfill those two goals. For schools that take money they money would have to go towards something that will help sustain the program in the future like arena improvements, scholarship funds, etc. They can do a similar thing for schools looking to establish women's teams but lack the current funds. One idea in how to raise money would be for the organization to host one special game or tourney a year. Something like Miiny vs Mich St at United center, or UNH vs Michigan at MSG are the types of things I'm thinking about. The schools get a cut of the proceeds and the pres of helping out other schools since most of the proceeds will go towards the organization.

cycledown
05-24-2010, 06:27 PM
How about this idea. Some people write letters to College Hockey Inc. They try to establish a 501 c 3 that will have the two goals. 1) Helping to keep current programs afloat. 2) Helping to establish new programs. They can sponsor events and ask for donations that help to fulfill those two goals. For schools that take money they money would have to go towards something that will help sustain the program in the future like arena improvements, scholarship funds, etc. They can do a similar thing for schools looking to establish women's teams but lack the current funds. One idea in how to raise money would be for the organization to host one special game or tourney a year. Something like Miiny vs Mich St at United center, or UNH vs Michigan at MSG are the types of things I'm thinking about. The schools get a cut of the proceeds and the pres of helping out other schools since most of the proceeds will go towards the organization.


And the proceeds would go to Project 70?

CHFAN222
05-24-2010, 06:31 PM
And the proceeds would go to Project 70?

Ya basically sorry for not making it clearer. The proceeds would go to Project 70 and they would then be dispersed to the schools deemed ready to go varsity.

Red Cloud
05-24-2010, 06:31 PM
I'll disagree with you on the not wanting to have your team make the Frozen Four and losing big-time vrs. not being there at all - but that's just me.

That's a legitimate difference of opinion, which I can respect.


As for comparing RIT with George Mason - time will tell. It's going to be very difficult (at least in AHA standards) to win the conference with the additions of Niagara and Robert Morris. But I do believe RIT will be making return trips to the NCAA in the near future.

I agree with that as well, but the George Mason comparison was more in response to Gleason's assertion that RIT is now some kind of national power. I don't think even The Lerch is drinking that much koolaid. One solid run does not a national power make, especially for a team in a conference that's never even sniffed an at-large bid. But yes, I think there's no doubt that we can expect great things in Atlantic Hockey from RIT in the future.

cycledown
05-24-2010, 06:36 PM
Ya basically sorry for not making it clearer. The proceeds would go to Project 70 and they would then be dispersed to the schools deemed ready to go varsity.

I would like to hear some other posters comment on your idea CH. In general, I would support it.

GoNU5
05-24-2010, 10:05 PM
Ya basically sorry for not making it clearer. The proceeds would go to Project 70 and they would then be dispersed to the schools deemed ready to go varsity.

I'd imagine there would be a lot of support for this, you could even try and get NHL teams to try and add support, as was mentioned previously the Californian NHL teams are interested in helping D1 Hockey expansion in their state, and I imagine most NHL teams in the US would be interested in helping out. You would probably have to spend a number of years accruing money before their could start spending significant amounts (and I'd imagine they'd want to store a large amount of money to get interest, use it to prop up teams in an emergency, etc.)

sbkbghockey
05-24-2010, 10:29 PM
There's a number of schools I'd like to see/have been rumored and/or have officially looked into DI hockey off and on

But realistically to I think one of the first expansions/thing to put on College Hockey Inc.'s to-do list- is to re-establish CHA Men's Conference (the CHA is still alive as a women's only college hockey conference.)


Alabama-Huntsville
Duke
Kennesaw State
Kentucky
Liberty
Navy

Patman
05-24-2010, 11:09 PM
The reason I named the thread as I did... aside from it being late at night... was that obviously if we're going to get to 100 then we have to hit all the other numbers in between. Another 10 seemed like a "good start" in this mythical expansion. Hell, 10 within 10 years should be considered "tremendous" in my opinion... bottom line... you have to start somewhere.

To me, we hear a lot about "these guys are going to do it" and all that other stuff... I suppose in it being late at night I kinda thought "why don't we just get the information instead of talking around it"... but it being late at night I forget that its never as easy as that.

Then again, if you want to identify the next school that should go then you really need to identify the strong points of a school... Title IX flexibility, market, niche, desire, capability (facilities), connections and strategic feasibility... so on.

I believe Paul Kelly's lobbying group is more aimed at leverage against the NHL in regards to Major Junior... but I could be wrong. College hockey would be improved by a larger foothold to be sure, but the only way you get that is by growing the universe of varsity teams... and to me any team adding is better than what we have because it increases the footprint.

Anyhow, those are my thoughts.

LynahFan
05-25-2010, 05:37 AM
Do any of you here think there can be effort to modify the title? or better yet should the title be modified at all? I have been looking for the people(S) whom can make a diiference on the issue but to move further along it would be nice to have some constructive and specific support from posters on this board.

That's probably a topic better suited to a political thread in the cafe, but at the risk of dabbling: it's not going to happen. Nobody in Congress wants to be the one to go on record saying he thinks we've done too much to support women and that it's time to dial back Title IX. Republicans will never touch it, since they don't have the strongest record with female voters anyway and they know it would be all too easy for Democrats to hang the misogynist label around their necks. If it were ever going to happen, it would have to be a Democratic controlled Congress, and I can't see them risking upsetting one of their key constituencies.

Unfortunately, white male sports fans aren't really anyone's key constituency, so nobody is going to help us out on this issue.