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  • Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

    Is it October yet?

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    Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

    You're not supposed to start a thread till the other one closes. Just like some booted Terriers. Breaking rules and not considering the consequences.

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    • #3
      Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

      tsk tsk tsk.

      how sad.
      a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.

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        Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

        Ok let me preface my post by saying that 1) I am a huge Jack Parker fan. I look up to him as a human being. 2) I am not a fan of either Saponari, never have been.

        That being said, I'm not particularly happy or unhappy with this whole situation. I think that underage drinking, breaking team rules (especially while on scholarship), and distasteful musical infractions should not go unpunished. However, I don't think I'm happy with the way Jack handled this. I think that aside from any information that the coaching staff recently received, any transgressions that occurred during the year should have been responded to with increasing levels of punishment. I think leaving disciplinary action until the end of the year is foolish and obviously allowed for the rule breaking to continue.

        Based on all the information gathered on Vinny's behavior, he may, in fact, have been a bad influence on the team, and the team may, in fact, be better off without him. But back up a little bit, forget for a moment the details of the Saponari cuts, and look at Parker's coaching recently. Does anyone else take issue with the fact that this is the 2nd time in 3 years that Parker has cut players as a way to deal with individual problem players as well as address team wide morale and motivational problems? ESPECIALLY after he just took a season off and practically stood by and watched this year's captains fail to motivate. Like I said, I think Jack Parker is an amazing man, but I think if he is to live up to the legendary reputation he has earned, he needs to find a way to fix problems before they become catastrophes and do so in a way that doesn't completely uproot and change people's lives. And I acknowledge that Saponari-gate and Bennett-gate are vastly different, but he needs to be more creative in the way he coaches and inspires his team to be committed.

        I am so torn about this whole situation. Vic and Vinny definitely deserve to be punished (Trivino and Kraus too, but they're not the hot topic here). They may even deserve to be cut from the team, but this does highlight the problems Parker is having. I hope it hasn't gotten to the point that his only means of controlling his players' behavior and inspiring them to be dedicated is threatening to kick them off the team. ..

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        • #5
          Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

          I actually think our offseason is so eventful we should have multiple offseason threads running at the same time, one for guessing next year's schedule and projecting lines, one for current players' transgressions, and maybe even a third for reminiscing. At minimum it would mean if Hokydad moves into one we still have another place to converse.

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          • #6
            Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

            Originally posted by Agganis View Post
            I actually think our offseason is so eventful we should have multiple offseason threads running at the same time, one for guessing next year's schedule and projecting lines, one for current players' transgressions, and maybe even a third for reminiscing. At minimum it would mean if Hokydad moves into one we still have another place to converse.
            It Happened!!!!

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            • #7
              Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

              Originally posted by WinTheThird View Post
              Ok let me preface my post by saying that 1) I am a huge Jack Parker fan. I look up to him as a human being.
              Stop. Seek help.

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              • #8
                Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

                Originally posted by WinTheThird View Post
                Does anyone else take issue with the fact that this is the 2nd time in 3 years that Parker has cut players as a way to deal with individual problem players as well as address team wide morale and motivational problems? ESPECIALLY after he just took a season off and practically stood by and watched this year's captains fail to motivate.
                Nope, I like it.

                The two situations are very different... Bennett was just not getting the job done, and can you imagine 09 if he had NOT released Bennett?!?!

                As for this year, I think it would be safe to assume that this was an ongoing problem, and it was quite likely that attempts were made to change to the behavior of #27 et al, and it finally came to this.

                Personally, I dont think its fair to blame any of the lack of motivation on the coaching staff... I mean, come on, if you choose to go out drinking less than 48 hours before the biggest game of the year, then you are not motivatied.... basically you are saying you don't care... and there isn't going to be much a coach can say or do at that point.

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                • #9
                  Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

                  No flames here, but I think Parker did the right thing. A couple of kids like that can ruin a locker room. That being said, what do you guys think about Parker doing this stuff publicly for all to see instead of merely kicking them out and keeping the details in house?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

                    Originally posted by Slasher7 View Post
                    No flames here, but I think Parker did the right thing. A couple of kids like that can ruin a locker room. That being said, what do you guys think about Parker doing this stuff publicly for all to see instead of merely kicking them out and keeping the details in house?
                    Quite honestly, I think he's ****ed if he does, ****ed if he doesn't. If he had dismissed those players and didn't say anything, he'd be accused of keeping information from people. It would leak, because one of the Saponaris would talk, and so forth. No one is ever happy how things like this are handled.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

                      I'm posting this here (from now dead thread) because I seem to be in the minority on this and I'm curious if anyone else has thoughts on this.

                      Originally posted by . View Post
                      Originally Posted by Puck Swami
                      I think you may be looking at the symptoms and missing the disease. You are trying to connect offenses and punishments and look for rationale. That's not what Parker is doing, in my opnion. The dismissal was 'cumulative', and probably had much more to do with less specific surface offenses like drinking or missing practice and much more to about general attitude, team chemisty, and influence on others. Jack Parker is a legend who has been coaching for 35+ years and has seen a lot of hockey players come and go. If he believes it's in his team's best interest to dismiss a player, you should give him the benefit of the doubt. He may have had any number of reasons for waiting as long as he did. Perhaps he wanted to see improvements. Perhaps he needed to line-up his replacements. Maybe there were outside inlfluences. The fact the both brothers were dismissed leads me to believe he was trying to remove a bad situation...

                      That's all fine and good, but we've been down this road before and, as it turns out, he was wrong. I feel like the commitment to play hockey at a D1 school goes both ways. Shouldn't the coaching staff work harder to make a situation work? Why so quick to cut bait? (Is there counseling for these situations? )

                      I guess what I'm saying is, did Vinny sleep with 100 women (and the baby-sitter) or did he flirt a bit, wreck the car, and burn the pot roast? I hope Jack's not tossing out post roast burners.

                      BU Hockey: D-I-V-O-R-C-E
                      It Happened!!!!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

                        Agree with Winthethird here.

                        While I support Parker's decision, the bottom line is it is his primary responsibility to get these kids to play hard and by the rules. Why is he being paid like 300K a year if he can't do that? Last year's team performance falls directly on him. One or two players dogging it is an individual problem. The whole team doing so is on the coaches. I'll say again, you don't see "lack of effort" as a recurring problem up the road on Jerry York's watch. Why is that?


                        So yes, boot Saponari if he's the ringleader and it shows that nobody is untouchable. However, he can't keep threatening to drop the ax on people year after year (I had no idea about the Cohen incident, that would have been 3 years in a row of dismissals). Pretty soon that's going to kill recruiting. If Parker can't reach the kids anymore, he needs to think about doing the AD job full time.

                        I'm curious how the team responds. Yes, they've lost a lot of people this year and it may take a couple of years to recover. Here's what I am looking for: 1) Impact recruits, and 2) 100% effort. The program can't afford the lost years after the last national championship when recruiting went into the toilet. We also need to see that these actions have had an effect on the rest of the team. If they haven't, its safe to conclude based on this incident and the past 15 years that something's missing in the players-coach relationship and as there's no other levers to pull its time for an overhaul.
                        Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin

                        Ever notice how everybody who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everybody who drives faster is a maniac? - George Carlin

                        "I've never seen so much reason and bullsh*t contained in ONE MAN."

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                          Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

                          Originally posted by Scarlet View Post
                          Quite honestly, I think he's ****ed if he does, ****ed if he doesn't. If he had dismissed those players and didn't say anything, he'd be accused of keeping information from people. It would leak, because one of the Saponaris would talk, and so forth. No one is ever happy how things like this are handled.
                          I don't know about that. Sneddon made a very short and generic statement that said basically zilch when he dissmissed UVM's second leading scorer 3/4 of the way through the season.

                          No one gave him any ****. It leaked and people I think basically figured out on their own. Milo gave almost and identical interview as was posted by BU hammer on Saponari. But, no one really gave Sneddon a hard time.

                          I think a simple, these guys are being dismissed for the benefit of the team suffices.
                          Originally posted by Hokydad
                          Maine will be better this year relative to rankings than BC will be this year

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                          • #14
                            Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

                            Just a note-rover, ZC & Smolinsky would have followed in the wake of BB. Three that year, break, two this year... Not three years in a row.
                            a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.

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                              Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

                              [QUOTE=Bomber;4768147]I'm posting this here (from now dead thread) because I seem to be in the minority on this and I'm curious if anyone else has thoughts on this.




                              That's all fine and good, but we've been down this road before and, as it turns out, he was wrong. I feel like the commitment to play hockey at a D1 school goes both ways. Shouldn't the coaching staff work harder to make a situation work? Why so quick to cut bait? (Is there counseling for these situations? )

                              Bomber, isn't it just as likely that the commitment that the coaching staff made to these players wasn't being returned? And that after working hard enough over time to get the message across that behavior and attitudes needed to change that a decision was made that whatever positives these players brought to the program were outweighed by the negatives? Maybe it took longer than we think to cut the bait. In that case, if these actions suggest Parker is moving closer to holding all players accountable for their actions, both potential stars and the grinders, then it's about time.

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