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FlagDUDE08
01-17-2011, 08:46 AM
Great to knock Yale* off, but it wasn't a surprise to me. I knew the Bears would win. Brown is clearly a program on the rise.

OK, I'll bite, what meme created the asterisk next to "Yale"?

Red Cloud
01-17-2011, 08:48 AM
OK, I'll bite, what meme created the asterisk next to "Yale"?

A) Wishing and hoping that the Cahill situation turns into an actual scandal, which it won't.

B) He thinks he's clever.

Red Cloud
01-17-2011, 08:50 AM
Darth...The ECAC wasn't formed until I believe 1982.

Which is why every team is wearing patches this year celebrating the league's 29th anniversary, right?

Euler18
01-17-2011, 09:17 AM
Not known for taking the high road, Yale Coach Keith "Please, don't ever accuse me of being classy" Allain stated after the January 16 game:

“(The Zolnierczyk line) is a good line, and they play them all the time. But we’ve got lines that we think are better.” (New Haven Register story)

There's no question that Yale has far more depth than Brown. But it's also a fact that Harry Zolnierczyk outskated two Yale defenders for the winning goal.

Euler18
01-17-2011, 09:23 AM
Darth...The ECAC wasn't formed until I believe 1982.

This is incorrect. The ECAC hockey league was formed in the mid-1960s. In the early 1980s Boston University, Boston College, Providence College, Northeastern University, the University of New Hampshire, and the University of Maine left ECAC hockey to form Hockey East.

FlagDUDE08
01-17-2011, 09:31 AM
But it's also a fact that Harry Zolnierczyk outskated two Yale defenders for the winning goal.

I'm surprised that someone with a potential misunderstanding of transitivity hasn't already started a thread about this one... :eek: :D

Waterboy66
01-17-2011, 10:46 AM
I am pretty certain Allain with always think he has better lines than the Brown top line, but I am not sure the facts actually bear that out (pun intended).

Browns top line is generally Zolniercyk, Maclellan coupled with a freshman (Hathaway, Goldberg) but has included the sophmore Zaires. Browns top scorers are easily equalling the Yale top scorer output (noting that Yale is definitely deeper) despite the fact that Yale has had a 'softer' non-conference schedule. I wonder what Browns top line numbers might be if they had the opportunity to play Sacred Heart and Holy Cross.

Looking at this weekend's numbers, in scoring Zolniercyk put up the most points of all players (both teams), and the Brown top line was a collective +7, while the Yale top line was a -4. I think the head-to-head data raises some questions about Allains beliefs.

No question the Yale team is talented and deep. They are scary with speed and skill, but that's not all it takes to create a great team. I think Allain is doing the players a bit of disservice with such a 'soft' out of conference schedule. It raises all kinds of questions like the ones above.

At the same time, I thought Whittet was a bit crazy with the Brown out-of-conference schedule this year, but he has made me a believer. But I guess that's why he's the coach and we are just chipping in comments from the 'cheap seats'.

Ralph Baer
01-17-2011, 11:55 AM
I think the fact that Brown won makes our comments about the officiating even more credible. The bad officiating went both ways (although frankly a few calls against Brown were especially egregious) and seriously detracted from the fans' enjoyment of what was otherwise a fantastic contest between these teams.

I've been watching ECAC hockey since 1970, and what I'm seeing in recent years is very mouthy officials -- Giles Threadgold would be appalled at their constant yammering during game play -- who make a lot of bad calls. The fact that we now have four officials on the ice in college games should theoretically improve their ability to stay on top of the action and make judicious calls, but in fact the quality of officiating seems diluted instead of sharpened.

I won't even start on the clumsiness of too many linesmen who don't know how to stay out of the way, impeding both pucks and players to the detriment of the game.

Some of us were quite appalled with Giles Threadgold also. He was standard by which incompetent officiating was measured for many years. :)

Onion Man
01-17-2011, 11:56 AM
OK, I'll bite, what meme created the asterisk next to "Yale"?

Just noting how Yale's* wins this year should be vacated due to the Cahill fiasco.

KFBS
01-17-2011, 12:07 PM
Just noting how Yale's* wins this year should be vacated due to the Cahill fiasco.

On behalf of all Brown fans I apologize for this post. I'm hoping this post was just a result of the poster smashing his face into the keyboard and not an attempt at rational thought.

DarthBruno
01-17-2011, 01:33 PM
Darth...The ECAC wasn't formed until I believe 1982.

No, it was formed in 1961 and included 28 teams then.

Source: http://www.ecachockey.com/men/history/M_timeline.pdf

DarthBruno
01-17-2011, 01:35 PM
I thought Whittet was a bit crazy with the Brown out-of-conference schedule this year, but he has made me a believer.

I know, right? When I saw BU on our schedule, I thought: WHAT??? Not so crazy, I guess. :-)

DarthBruno
01-17-2011, 01:38 PM
Some of us were quite appalled with Giles Threadgold also. He was standard by which incompetent officiating was measured for many years. :)

Ha ha. He wasn't popular with fans, for sure! Giles was tough in an era when the rules were looser and a much higher level of hard contact and fisticuffs was tolerated, so everyone complained about him. The old cheer (backed by band music) "Eat it ref!" rocked Meehan in those days.

Yeah, he could be a bit "cuckoo" too and obviously loved hamming it up on the ice. But he generally didn't yack everyone to death like so many of today's refs do -- I think they are wannabe coaches. Giles was pretty much all business.

DarthBruno
01-17-2011, 01:41 PM
“(The Zolnierczyk line) is a good line, and they play them all the time. But we’ve got lines that we think are better.” (New Haven Register story)

Oh man. Stay classy there, Coach Allain. How about trying this instead, "The Zolnierczyk line is one of the best in the country right now, and today we simply couldn't contain them well enough to beat Brown." That's a bit more to the point.

LTsatch
01-17-2011, 02:56 PM
Just noting how Yale's* wins this year should be vacated due to the Cahill fiasco.

The Cahill "fiasco" was nothing but a poor attempt by an inept reporter to stir the pot. It's now old news as Yale was cleared by the NCAA on Saturday. Get with the times Onion Man.

Humanoid
01-17-2011, 04:38 PM
So let me get this straight...

Brown BEAT the #1 team in the nation, and our fans are talking about atrocious officiating and Yale's supposed "scandal" that they were cleared on. BrunoFan00's right - the story is more about Clemente (and the other Bears) than anything else.

I say we savor this moment. It's becoming more and more apparent that Brown knows how to play up to opponents. Need to keep momentum going in their favor when taking on opponents they now "should" beat. Not for nothing, but there's no excuse to tie BU and UNH, beat BU and Yale.... and lose to a team like Clarkson down the road (no disrespect to Knights fans).

That said, Brown is starting to gain traction against teams like Yale. They see them enough throughout the year to play strong against them, and the familiarity breeds an ability to beat them. I'm sure they will see each other down the road again at some point in the ECAC playoffs. Fans deserve it since it's developing into a great rivalry.

Yale86
01-17-2011, 07:28 PM
So let me get this straight...

Brown BEAT the #1 team in the nation, and our fans are talking about atrocious officiating and Yale's supposed "scandal" that they were cleared on. BrunoFan00's right - the story is more about Clemente (and the other Bears) than anything else.

I say we savor this moment. It's becoming more and more apparent that Brown knows how to play up to opponents. Need to keep momentum going in their favor when taking on opponents they now "should" beat. Not for nothing, but there's no excuse to tie BU and UNH, beat BU and Yale.... and lose to a team like Clarkson down the road (no disrespect to Knights fans).

That said, Brown is starting to gain traction against teams like Yale. They see them enough throughout the year to play strong against them, and the familiarity breeds an ability to beat them. I'm sure they will see each other down the road again at some point in the ECAC playoffs. Fans deserve it since it's developing into a great rivalry.

Nope - tired of seeing Clemente stand on his head...hasn't this guy graduated already?!?

Good win for you guys...

kdiff77
01-17-2011, 10:55 PM
Nope - tired of seeing Clemente stand on his head...hasn't this guy graduated already?!?

Good win for you guys...

Sorry- he's only a junior :)

Unfortunately, he only seems to show up against you guys and BU :/ We've been praying for more consistency for his entire career.

kdiff77
01-18-2011, 02:42 AM
Interestingly enough, Harry Z is a humble, gracious, and calm personality on camera. I just watched the postgame interviews of him, Coach Whittet, and Mike Clemente on the Brown athletic site and was surprised that his personality does not seem to be a reflection of his energetic, intense, and aggressive style of play (to say the least).

Onion Man
01-18-2011, 07:26 AM
On behalf of all Brown fans I apologize for this post. I'm hoping this post was just a result of the poster smashing his face into the keyboard and not an attempt at rational thought.

You dont speak for me.