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PuckDoctor
04-26-2010, 02:11 PM
Our Philosophy is the same...view just differs.

Hockeybuckeye
04-26-2010, 02:20 PM
[QUOTE=davyd83;4759681]There's a way to avoid that problem. Finish with a first round bye. OSU hockey has no one but itself to blame for that problem. You seem to be saying that the school should turn down the revenue from the state tourney just in case the hockey team has to play there.QUOTE]

I would counter that OSU hockey is not to blame for this but the athletic department is. I would indeed say the school should turn down the "extra" revenue based on ethics and your programs needs. OSU has an obligation to put it own athletic programs first and outside considerations second. Otherwise there would be no problem bumping any sport there to rent out their facilities to the highest offer if it suited them to do so.

Puck Swami
04-26-2010, 02:22 PM
Another disadvantage the coach will have at OSU is how soon he can work with his team. Ohio State is still on the quarter system while most schools have long since gone over to semesters. It's several weeks later for a quarter school than a semester school that the coach is permitted to lead practice per NCAA rules. Now OSU has had the captains lead "informal" practices but when you are the new guy who has to retrain this bunch and break them of the bad habits of "Johnny hockey" and teach them his system that may not work well.

DU is also on the quarter system, and I believe the NCAA rule is that coaches get up to 2 official hours with their team each week school is in session prior to official start of practice, which is usually around October 1 for Denver. Outside of these times, there are captain's practices between school starting and the first practice, and coaches can't attend those, but medical or strength coaches can be there.

Hockeybuckeye
04-26-2010, 02:30 PM
I saw the e-mail that went out to the alumni about Pooley getting snubbed asking that those who felt the same to respectully protest to Gene Smith about it. I wonder if Jamie Macoun responded? Maybe they'd take a little more notice if someone complained who won the Stanley Cup twice. Water under the bridge now but again, big lack of respect by the AD's.

Bleachered
04-26-2010, 02:39 PM
OSU will be going to the quarter system in 2012.

Hockeybuckeye
04-26-2010, 02:44 PM
OSU will be going to the quarter system in 2012.

You mean semester, right? They're currently on quarters.

Hockeybuckeye
04-26-2010, 02:47 PM
DU is also on the quarter system, and I believe the NCAA rule is that coaches get up to 2 official hours with their team each week school is in session prior to official start of practice, which is usually around October 1 for Denver. Outside of these times, there are captain's practices between school starting and the first practice, and coaches can't attend those, but medical or strength coaches can be there.

Not a lot of time. OSU's first game last season was Oct. 4th. The first this season though is Oct. 16th with the option yet of adding an exhibition game before that if the new coach feels so inclined.

Puck Swami
04-26-2010, 02:54 PM
Not a lot of time. OSU's first game last season was Oct. 4th. The first this season though is Oct. 16th with the option yet of adding an exhibition game before that if the new coach feels so inclined.

No, it's not a lot of time. And mid-terms and final exams appear sooner, and classes move faster becuase they are cramming 15 weeks worth of instruction into 10 weeks.

On the backside, the good part about the quarter system is that DU is on break from Thanksgiving to after New Years, so there is a good break without worrying about school and the fact that you are getting 1/3 more classes over your college career, so you can learn more and bad classes are over more quickly. I loved the quarter system.

busboy
04-26-2010, 03:30 PM
I saw the e-mail that went out to the alumni about Pooley getting snubbed asking that those who felt the same to respectully protest to Gene Smith about it. I wonder if Jamie Macoun responded? Maybe they'd take a little more notice if someone complained who won the Stanley Cup twice. Water under the bridge now but again, big lack of respect by the AD's.

Sorry to keep coming back to this, but how is this a snub? Where do you draw the line? Dave Smith and Steve Brent presumably both applied as well - shouldn't they have both gotten interviews?

We sit and complain about how long the process took to hire a new coach but want to add interviews for people who the committee deemed not to be a good fit for what they were looking for. I have yet to hear that someone truly believes that this was the wrong hire - just that they should have had a token interview. Adding these three candidates would have added another week to the process. In reality they only had a small window to get this done after the Frozen Four and before Florida. It appears the review of resumes was very important to this process and they took that part seriously.

If they had gone out and hired a no name with questionable credentials I can understand the snub feeling, but when you read through Oz's credentials (http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=87731&SPID=10406&DB_OEM_ID=17300&ATCLID=204935518) you can quickly see how the other resumes paled in comparison.

Curiously - how many believe Markell got snubbed at BG?

Puck Buck
04-26-2010, 03:38 PM
I saw the e-mail that went out to the alumni about Pooley getting snubbed asking that those who felt the same to respectully protest to Gene Smith about it. I wonder if Jamie Macoun responded? Maybe they'd take a little more notice if someone complained who won the Stanley Cup twice. Water under the bridge now but again, big lack of respect by the AD's.

I was hoping for a bigger splash (not a splash for the sake of a splash but because it would indicate the athletic department was serious about putting resources into the program) but am content with the hire.

I, for one, am glad that Glen Mason on ice got snubbed. I think I would rather have endured more of Markell than letting Markell go and bringing in Pooley. The only thing a sports fan has is hope. With Markell here there was always hope the administration would do the right thing and replace him with someone better. If they replaced him with Pooley, there would be no hope because it would indicate they either don't know what they are doing or don't care.

This feels better than that.

Kitchenhockeydad
04-26-2010, 04:35 PM
Curiously - how many believe Markell got snubbed at BG?


I expected him to be the next coach, but without knowing all the details, you can't say that he was snubbed; same thing with Pooley. If you don't know all the details, then you can't say whether he was snubbed or not. I like to think not as he seems to be a good assistant, but not a real good head coach.

I had a football coach in high school that I really liked, along with everyone else, but it shocked me when he became head coach, and the program slipped quite a bit. Great guy, just not HC material, not everyone is.

klbaum1077
04-26-2010, 04:40 PM
Curiously - how many believe Markell got snubbed at BG?

I thought he would get that job. I know he interviewed and alumi up there are upset that neither of the 2 bg people didnt get that job.

Bleachered
04-26-2010, 06:24 PM
You mean semester, right? They're currently on quarters.

Yes

*headslap*

Hockeybuckeye
04-26-2010, 06:27 PM
Sorry to keep coming back to this, but how is this a snub? Where do you draw the line? Dave Smith and Steve Brent presumably both applied as well - shouldn't they have both gotten interviews?

We sit and complain about how long the process took to hire a new coach but want to add interviews for people who the committee deemed not to be a good fit for what they were looking for. I have yet to hear that someone truly believes that this was the wrong hire - just that they should have had a token interview. Adding these three candidates would have added another week to the process. In reality they only had a small window to get this done after the Frozen Four and before Florida. It appears the review of resumes was very important to this process and they took that part seriously.

If they had gone out and hired a no name with questionable credentials I can understand the snub feeling, but when you read through Oz's credentials (http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=87731&SPID=10406&DB_OEM_ID=17300&ATCLID=204935518) you can quickly see how the other resumes paled in comparison.

Curiously - how many believe Markell got snubbed at BG?

I would say it's a snub as Pooley's credential's are worthy of a interview and all the alumni I've talked to who have stood by the program when the average joe couldn't be bribed back to a game with even "buck a brat" night feel this way and a number of them played pro. Now personally I'm not by any means saying this isn't a good hire and I'm looking forward with great interest to see what he can do. But Ohio State plays favorites. Archie got the cherry gig after he was done with football. He stunk in the pros but he brought in money because he was associated with the cash cow of football. Pooley did just as well in his sport when he played at OSU but no one cares because it's hockey. Nobody outside our circle has a clue who he is. As far as OSU has been concerned our sport is the little blood sucking flea on the back of the big dog of football. Now the Pooley debate aside is OSU really going to do enough to back hockey and make it a strong contender beyond just hiring a new coach? Historically their pattern of attitude towards it says no but only time will tell. The university can only benefit by hockey becoming much more than it has been up to this point. God forbid the program becomes successful to the point where it actually makes money!

Twisted Wrister
04-26-2010, 07:09 PM
Snubs? How about telling Cassey he was in the top three, when in reality he was number three-at best. Gwoz was #1, Oz at #2, then CJ and Cav. Or Cav and CJ. Cav was probably #3 with Casey as the fail-safe if the first three didn't workout for some reason.

GB Puck Fan
04-26-2010, 07:25 PM
I was hoping for a bigger splash (not a splash for the sake of a splash but because it would indicate the athletic department was serious about putting resources into the program) but am content with the hire.



Splash to who?

Osiecki was very successful with the Gamblers and is well respected in the USHL - a primary recruiting ground. He has former assistants and collegues - such as Luke Strand at Sioux City and Kevin Patrick at Muskegon's new USHL team - that won't be afraid to recommend sending players there.

He's respected in the college ranks, which, I imagine, will assist in hiring of assistant coaches, etc.

I know of former players - some now in NHL or coaching elsewhere - who praise his teaching skills. Those are the kind of people that are resources to kids when picking schools.

He won a national title playing in college. He played in the minors and NHL. He won a Clark Cup in Green Bay. He won a national title at NoDak and Wisconsin. He's helped dozens of kids move to the next level.

I'm not questioning the other candidates... but when it comes to the hockey community, I'd have to think he's more than a trickle in the puddle.

Now, does he have immediate name recognition among the casual fan? Not yet, no. I'll grant you that. But in the community that you draw players from, I think he'll be able to hit the ground running very well.

And he already has a closet full of red ties. (From the stands you won't be able to tell if they are Cardinal or Scarlet). :D

Hockeybuckeye
04-26-2010, 07:51 PM
The two questions that are foremost in my mind now are who will his assistant hires be and what will be the results of his initial efforts of recruiting? Now I see on the forums that he's very good at recruiting but will he have to start from scratch here? After all he has probably built up a good dialogue with a number of prospects but he was trying to get them to come to Wisconsin. How many prospects on Wisconsin's watch list would decide they'd rather come and play at Ohio State? Probably not a one unless Wisconsin passed on them. This is an area where his reputation and our programs are at odds and he'll have to convince the kids that things are really going to change here and sell them on his vision of what this program can become. Wisconsin's program is rock solid and it wasn't a hard sell, here we'll really see if he's skillful on the art of the sell.

Puck Buck
04-26-2010, 07:56 PM
Splash to who?


To clarify again - I like the hire all things considered. If they were going to go the college assistant route, I don't think I would have picked anyone else.

That being said, if OSU took a run at a big name established coach (you can fill in the lists - I think we all know the usual suspects, the specific name isn't as important to me) I think it would send a signal that the school really is going to try to make a go of it a revenue producer or at least revenue neutral proposition. The coach, independent of other things they would need to do, wouldn't guarantee it - but the message is unmistakeable if that was the route they went.

They didn't, which doesn't mean this isn't ultimately the right thing to do - but I think it is clear that the school, at this point, isn't thinking about the program the way I would have liked them to.

davyd83
04-26-2010, 11:00 PM
Snubs? How about telling Cassey he was in the top three, when in reality he was number three-at best. Casey as the fail-safe if the first three didn't workout for some reason.

its so horrible to tell number 3 that he's in the top 3. Now how do you know what Casey was told about his status among the candidates? Were you there in the interviews?

Hockeybuckeye
04-26-2010, 11:08 PM
its so horrible to tell number 3 that he's in the top 3. Now how do you know what Casey was told about his status among the candidates? Were you there in the interviews?

Casey is a great guy, personable and all the players liked him immensely and a good family man too but unfortunately he was under the same dark cloud as Markell and to eliminate any doubts as to giving the program a real fresh start I'm afraid he was just a victim of circumstances.