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busboy
04-05-2010, 03:11 PM
Bringing this back to a rational conversation, raise your hand if you think Blasi would be in his second straight FF without Miami stepping up to build a new rink and support the program able to compete nationally?

Is he a good coach - no question. Could he take OSU to the next level CONSISTENTLY while bussing them across campus for practice and leveraging home playoff ice in the 20-foot-ceiling, tool shed ice rink - lots of questions.

Sterling Cooper
04-05-2010, 04:20 PM
Bringing this back to a rational conversation, raise your hand if you think Blasi would be in his second straight FF without Miami stepping up to build a new rink and support the program able to compete nationally?

Is he a good coach - no question. Could he take OSU to the next level CONSISTENTLY while bussing them across campus for practice and leveraging home playoff ice in the 20-foot-ceiling, tool shed ice rink - lots of questions.

3K crowds and a rowdy student section are nothing to dismiss, particularly from our vantage point of having an utter lack of student interest much less a rowdy student section at every home game. The rink is nice; however, I just have a hard time seeing it as a total game changer. It's not like they went out and recreated the environment and tradition of Yost or built a modern day hockey palace like Engelstad.

As far as the overall support for the program, I'm assuming you to mean financial support. No one has been able to show me that Miami puts any more money into their program than does Ohio State, much less funds it at a level commensurate with schools like Minny or Michigan. I'm not saying they don't, but I haven't seen any numbers definitively proving it. I would love to see the p&l numbers for their hockey program. On the other hand, their plan of "endowing" the hockey program is a novel way of insulating it from a financially struggling university and a broke-*** athletic department, but I don't know that the figures that one Miami guy posted here (at a standard 5% endowment disbursement) go much beyond paying the coaching salaries much less truly funding the program.

At the end of the day, Ohio State needs to make 3 key commitments to the hockey program

1) They need to fund it equal to other Big Ten hockey schools. This, I don't see as much of a problem given the AD's financial resources and the Big Ten Network's growing interest in hockey. It's the other two where I see possible reluctance.

First, they need to commit themselves to going out, swinging for the fences and hiring a transformational figure as the next coach. They don't need to go out looking for someone who'll periodically challenge for a CCHA title. They just fired that guy.

Second, they need to show him concrete plans for 6-7 thousand seat hockey arena and what his program needs to accomplish step-by-step to get it built--preferably built on the site of French Field House.:o

No Legs
04-05-2010, 04:44 PM
I love this thread! Sure is nice to see the conversation concerning the program. There are many qualified coaches that would fit the assumed problem with selecting the proper coach for The Ohio State University.

If I were king for a day and wished to have a Heck of a Hockey Coach not to mention a guy that gets an entire community involved I would be talking to Gads at P.U. High energy has a history of building programs quickly and between you me and the fence post would be a perfect fit for your problem.

Just Saying.

osualum86
04-05-2010, 05:05 PM
At the end of the day, Ohio State needs to make 3 key commitments to the hockey program

1) They need to fund it equal to other Big Ten hockey schools. This, I don't see as much of a problem given the AD's financial resources and the Big Ten Network's growing interest in hockey. It's the other two where I see possible reluctance.

First, they need to commit themselves to going out, swinging for the fences and hiring a transformational figure as the next coach. They don't need to go out looking for someone who'll periodically challenge for a CCHA title. They just fired that guy.

Second, they need to show him concrete plans for 6-7 thousand seat hockey arena and what his program needs to accomplish step-by-step to get it built--preferably built on the site of French Field House.:o

Excellent points, Sterling. I've been saying all along that it won't matter who we bring in if the athletic department doesn't make a commitment to this hockey program. If they make the same sort of commitment to hockey in the coming seasons that they have been making (dictionary definition of insanity ... doing the same things over and over and expecting different results), it won't matter if we bring in Mike Babcock or Scotty Bowman ... we'll still have a second-tier (or lower) hockey program. I like your idea of building a new ice arena next to Saint John Arena (site of current French Field House), but I wasn't aware if they still held indoor track meets there or not. I think it would be great, though, to somehow find a spot on the main part of campus for it where it would be more easily accessable for the students. Whatever it takes, they need to get a hockey-only facility built. They need to find a way.

irishfan85
04-05-2010, 05:45 PM
Why would anyone want to play for OSU, unless they had ties to the school/state, if they were being recruited by Minnesota, Michigan State and Michigan whom all play in hockey-only facilities that are consistently sold out and the environment is great. OSU plays in an empty arena that is for bouncy ball and then has to play a home play-off series in the equivlent of a high school rink.

I'll go a step further. I'd rather play for NMU, SCSU, Bemidji, Miami, Duluth, St. Lawrence, RPI, UNH, Maine where you are the big man on campus, play in facilities designed for hockey with huge crowd support.

Ohio State needs to generate interest and put in more support if it wants to compete. It is not all about a new coach.

Sterling Cooper
04-05-2010, 05:52 PM
Ohio State needs to generate interest and put in more support if it wants to compete. It is not all about a new coach.

You're not mistaken. No coach is going to come in and transform this program through strength of will. He, however, does need to be the first part of the puzzle...the catalyst. That's why Ohio State hockey fans are hanging on this decision to the degree they are. Not because we think this coach can be some magic bullet to undo past mistakes, but because he is an indicator that the athletic department is making the commitment to undoing them one by one, with this hire being the first step.

MUhawks628
04-05-2010, 08:01 PM
I'll go a step further. I'd rather play for NMU, SCSU, Bemidji, Miami, Duluth, St. Lawrence, RPI, UNH, Maine where you are the big man on campus, play in facilities designed for hockey with huge crowd support.



There is defiantly something to be said for that. You are getting the close to the equivalent of being a football player at Michigan or basketball player at Duke when you go to a school like Miami for hockey. At the very least there is no one stealing your spotlight. You don't hear people say "dude Zach Dysert sits behind me in ECO201!!", replace that with Carter Camper and it becomes true. Dysert is Miami's QB fyi and if 20% of the student body could tell you that I would be AMAZED!

HckyDoc
04-05-2010, 08:34 PM
...it won't matter who we bring in if the athletic department doesn't make a commitment to this hockey program...I like your idea of building a new ice arena...I think it would be great, though, to somehow find a spot on the main part of campus for it where it would be more easily accessable for the students. Whatever it takes, they need to get a hockey-only facility built. They need to find a way.

From what I have heard there is talk of a 7000 seat hockey only facility and the money was allegedly contingent upon Markell being gone. It may have had more strings attached I should have paid more attention but when I heard that one just piqued my interest to the point of distraction. The unfortunate part was the location was behind Jesse Owens, on the current location of Buckeye village housing which would not be all that convenient for students. I think the school could do more to attract the students but a location on the Main part of campus would not hurt. I think Gene is making an effort to turn this around. Now we just have to see if the money and commitment are indeed there as rumored.

As far as the team goes...I think if the team doesn't lose any more to pro signings they have a lot of untapped potential. Look at some of the teams they beat last year (Denver, Notre Dame before the injuries, Bemidji, Michigan in the first half alone) and with making the NCAA's the year before they didn't sneak up on anyone. If they choose well and get a coach like Blasi who can instill a team's sense of unity, see Miami's "Brotherhood", they will have a very good year and start building a top program.

mcfarljd
04-05-2010, 08:45 PM
There is defiantly something to be said for that. You are getting the close to the equivalent of being a football player at Michigan or basketball player at Duke when you go to a school like Miami for hockey. At the very least there is no one stealing your spotlight. You don't hear people say "dude Zach Dysert sits behind me in ECO201!!", replace that with Carter Camper and it becomes true. Dysert is Miami's QB fyi and if 20% of the student body could tell you that I would be AMAZED!

Funny story. Granted I haven't been to a Miami football game in ~3 years, and that was just to see UC roll them, when we were driving back from the Joe two weeks ago we drove by Ada. All I knew was that the QB was from there, and it took me the rest of the trip to figure out his name. Can't be as bad as Josh "throws while jumping" Betts can he?

Sterling Cooper
04-05-2010, 08:47 PM
From what I have heard there is talk of a 7000 seat hockey only facility and the money was allegedly contingent upon Markell being gone. It may have had more strings attached I should have paid more attention but when I heard that one just piqued my interest to the point of distraction. The unfortunate part was the location was behind Jesse Owens, on the current location of Buckeye village housing which would not be all that convenient for students. I think the school could do more to attract the students but a location on the Main part of campus would not hurt. I think Gene is making an effort to turn this around. Now we just have to see if the money and commitment are indeed there as rumored.



One other thing to consider is that the university is finally moving ahead with the $2.5 Billion dollar university campaign:D that was delayed by the financial crash. Currently, it's in the "quiet phase." While only a tiny portion of that $2.5B will go to athletics, there is no centerpiece item for the athletic portion. Geiger pretty much built everything that needed to be built, so what better big ticket item is left for the AD than a state of the art 7K hockey facility for the men's and women's programs.

klbaum1077
04-05-2010, 08:50 PM
One other thing to consider is that the university is finally moving ahead with the $2.5 Billion dollar university campaign:D that was delayed with the financial crash. Currently, it's in the "quiet phase." While only a tiny portion of that $2.5B will go to athletics, there is no centerpiece item for the athletic portion. Geiger pretty much built everything that needed to be built, so what better big ticket item is left for the AD than a state of the art 7K hockey facility for the men's and women's programs.

lets hope it gets done and in the mean time get a good quality coach in to lead the program in the right direction.

Sterling Cooper
04-05-2010, 08:55 PM
lets hope it gets done and in the mean time get a good quality coach in to lead the program in the right direction.

Nothing would warm my heart better than seeing The Schott's ice relegated to the occasional traveling production of The Jeffersons on Ice.

klbaum1077
04-05-2010, 09:07 PM
Nothing would warm my heart better than seeing The Schott's ice relegated to the occasional traveling production of The Jeffersons on Ice.

im right with ya on that one.

mcfarljd
04-05-2010, 10:24 PM
Nothing is more awesome than breaking in a new barn, well, so far nothing is more awesome. We'll see what I have to say about that after this weekend ;)

Hope you guys can get one, but can we keep our winning streak going in that one. Got a nice little run at the Schott going on.

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04-05-2010, 11:42 PM
Nothing is more awesome than breaking in a new barn, well, so far nothing is more awesome. We'll see what I have to say about that after this weekend ;)

Hope you guys can get one, but can we keep our winning streak going in that one. Got a nice little run at the Schott going on.

As long as it's OSU you're playing and not Clarkson or Army you guys do alright... :)

Draighlicht
04-06-2010, 06:21 AM
One other thing to consider is that the university is finally moving ahead with the $2.5 Billion dollar university campaign:D that was delayed by the financial crash. Currently, it's in the "quiet phase." While only a tiny portion of that $2.5B will go to athletics, there is no centerpiece item for the athletic portion. Geiger pretty much built everything that needed to be built, so what better big ticket item is left for the AD than a state of the art 7K hockey facility for the men's and women's programs.
Sorry to throw a damper on this discussion but the next item to be built at OSU is a basketball practice facility. They are within a couple million $ of breaking ground on that. It will be attached to the Schott.

I wouldn't count on seeing a hockey only facility for ten years.

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04-06-2010, 08:50 AM
The program should really be booming by that point!

klbaum1077
04-06-2010, 09:07 AM
Sorry to throw a damper on this discussion but the next item to be built at OSU is a basketball practice facility. They are within a couple million $ of breaking ground on that. It will be attached to the Schott.

I wouldn't count on seeing a hockey only facility for ten years.

they already have one inside the schott.

Draighlicht
04-06-2010, 09:38 AM
they already have one inside the schott.
They're building another one.

THE OHIO STATE
04-06-2010, 09:55 AM
My guess for the new Coach will be this guy. :)


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