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Wreckincrew
03-16-2010, 05:02 PM
Sioux4ever shut up
The hit was a charge, 5 maybe suspension no, but it happened. It's the play in game. that if we win means playing 6 games in 8 days.

6 Games over 9 Days would be more accurate, but still alot of hockey.

The suspension was deserved & a thug label can be slapped on Frattin only if he continues this type of conduct once he returns (see: Marvin, Aaron).

state of hockey
03-16-2010, 05:23 PM
Great comeback...what are you, 8? How's this: you smell...nana nana boo boo!

Look, I'm sure it sucks to follow a team that sucks, but your anger with Frattin for the hit is misdirected...get mad at your team/coach for another underwhelming season.

I didn't feel like putting forth the effort to be clever. :)

I am not angry with Frattin, nor have I ever stated as such. Also, I am angry with the team/program for another crappy season. Trust me on that.

I sent you a rep, but I'll apologize publicly for the angry overreaction as well. I just see red when it seems like someone is happy to see a player injured, and I HATE RED. :)

SIOUX4EVER
03-16-2010, 05:52 PM
I didn't feel like putting forth the effort to be clever. :)

I am not angry with Frattin, nor have I ever stated as such. Also, I am angry with the team/program for another crappy season. Trust me on that.

I sent you a rep, but I'll apologize publicly for the angry overreaction as well. I just see red when it seems like someone is happy to see a player injured, and I HATE RED. :)

No problem--I didn't mean to start a flamefest in here...just stating my opinion on what I saw (and taking a shot at Wehrs' antics). I certainly am not glad he was injured on the play, and I personally don't believe that was what Frattin was trying to do. But the major penalty and 1-gm suspension seem appropriate given the severity of the hit. As PCM pointed out earlier, the rules leave it to the referee's discretion...which obviously means that a similar hit in similar circumstances could lead to a different result. It may be a different discussion altogether whether the league should change the rules or enforce them more strictly (see CCHA).

MinnesotaNorthStar
03-16-2010, 05:53 PM
How does a person jump? By getting low and using the legs to propel the body upward. That's what Frattin did. It's what caused him to leave his feet while delivering the hit. Under the charging rule, the point at which he did it is irrelevant.To expand on this as I've seen some comments that Frattin became airborne because his legs were taken out by Wehrs'...Frattin is under control the whole time he's in the air, if his legs were unexpectedly taken out he falls on top of Wehrs and doesn't land on his feet. Another sure way to tell is by looking at the clear still pic of Frattin in the air as Wehrs is on his way down. Their legs would have been tangled up had that been the case.


Legality/illegality aside, Frattin completely DESTROYED Wehrs, who probably had it coming with all the whiny-beeching and pansy-arse after-the-whistle slapping he did that series.
Nobody deserves an injury like that.


Apparently the WCHA does not agree with you, they suspended Frattin for one game. IMHO it should have been at least for the rest of the season.Good thing you don't make decisions then. This about as dumb as the Sioux fans that wanted Marvin to be suspended for 10+ games for the Genoway hit.

skiumah2: Perhaps I wasn't clear with my position on whether or not there was contact to the head. If I had to bet on it, I'd bet that contact with the head was made, probably unintentional (either way though, contact to the head is contact to the head, intentional or not). Also, the replays I've looked at are just you tube and hardly high definition. FWIW, Brenthoven is slightly unsure as well since we weren't looking for it until part way through the last replay that FSN showed.

SIOUX4EVER
03-16-2010, 05:58 PM
Nobody deserves an injury like that.

No, and I don't believe he did either. I was just saying that if I had ranked the players with an "M" on their jersey that I wanted to see lit up by a Sioux player this past weekend, #2 would have been #1.;)

upperdeckguy
03-16-2010, 06:09 PM
I didn't see the game but I have seen the video and the still photos on the Sioux Yeah Yeah! blog and there is clear contact to the head in frame 3 by the shoulder, and even the comment in the blog reads:
"Finally, here's Frame 3. You can clearly tell that's the puck in between the Chevy and Cadillac logo. Frattin is driving Wehrs into the boards. I can't tell for sure, but at this point, it seems Frattin has his shoulder into Wehrs head..." He then goes on to say, "...if Frattin doesn't leave his feet on this hit, we're not even having this discussion right now. The fact that he left his feet is why this is a big deal today."

Um...No. The suspension is for the blow to the head. I believe this hit is just a cheap as Marvin's on Genoway. Just because you are coming from the front of the player going for the head is going for the head.

Personally I think the suspension should be longer as Marvin's should have been longer than one game for the hit on Genoway.

Bakunin
03-16-2010, 08:43 PM
I thought that was for the emotional fanbases, not the journalists.
The journalist is stating the facts. The emotional fanbase is denying them.

RinkPig
03-16-2010, 09:01 PM
Frat party Frattin will get his next year when Seth Ambroz beats the crap out of that POS. Of course only if he isn't suspended for the "year" from some drunkin offseason antics.... and by "year" I mean until the Sue lose a couple games and Hak decides Frat Party Frattin has done all the right things and ready to come back again for the 2nd half... Either way if he ever shows his ugly as* hick mug against the Gophers again he will get that drunkin smile knock the F off his face! Just Youtube Seth Ambroz if you want to see a preview of the beat downs he can hand out... you Susie thugs will have to answer when big Seth comes to town...no more 6'3 passive Flynn's or Fischers who will just sit their with a thumb up their butt and not back up a teammate... Helgeson and Ambroz will beat that a*s.

vizoroo
03-16-2010, 09:03 PM
Facts:
1. I hate NoDak
2. I really, really, dislike, almost hate the gophs
3. Frattin has no 5 min. majors or misconducts since returning from his off ice suspension.

Opinion:
1. The refs were correct--5 min. major
2. Could have been a misconduct.
3. WCHA was correct--suspension was appropriate.
4. Frattin's comment to the media after the game were really ill advised. And tended to make him look like a thug.
5. Frattin is now on the list. He will be watched.
6. I think I dislike Hextall more than Gregoire the Traitoire.

brianvf
03-16-2010, 09:37 PM
Frat party Frattin will get his next year when Seth Ambroz beats the crap out of that POS. Of course only if he isn't suspended for the "year" from some drunkin offseason antics.... and by "year" I mean until the Sue lose a couple games and Hak decides Frat Party Frattin has done all the right things and ready to come back again for the 2nd half... Either way if he ever shows his ugly as* hick mug against the Gophers again he will get that drunkin smile knock the F off his face! Just Youtube Seth Ambroz if you want to see a preview of the beat downs he can hand out... you Susie thugs will have to answer when big Seth comes to town...no more 6'3 passive Flynn's or Fischers who will just sit their with a thumb up their butt and not back up a teammate... Helgeson and Ambroz will beat that a*s.

So the Sioux are cheap hacks, but next year the Gophers will have a couple thugs that can get some suspensions as well? Wouldn't that make the Gophers cheap hacks too? :confused:

wasmania
03-16-2010, 09:38 PM
Fair and balanced, Vizoroo, even all the hatin'

Dirty
03-16-2010, 09:40 PM
Animal will make Seth Ambrosz wish he was never born.

adidasjerry
03-16-2010, 09:54 PM
That Was A $%*$#( Monster Hit!

Wreckincrew
03-16-2010, 09:54 PM
So the Sioux are cheap hacks, but next year the Gophers will have a couple thugs that can get some suspensions as well? Wouldn't that make the Gophers cheap hacks too? :confused:
No, when the Rodents do it, it's just hockey. I know because tRug said so.

ExRider19
03-16-2010, 09:58 PM
Anybody notice that Wehrs ducks right before the hit? That may have contributed to the head contact. Just maybe.

RinkPig
03-16-2010, 10:13 PM
So now it's wehrs fault frat party frattin is a dirty pos....wow u can't make it up... U sue fans live in your own little twisted world, don't u ... What color is the sky there?

cg_siouxfan
03-16-2010, 10:16 PM
So now it's wehrs fault frat party fratein is a dirty pos....wow u can't make it up... U sue fans live in your own little twisted world, don't u ... What color is the sky there?

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Dirty
03-16-2010, 10:26 PM
So now it's wehrs fault frat party frattin is a dirty pos....wow u can't make it up... U sue fans live in your own little twisted world, don't u ... What color is the sky there?

And what a wonderful world it is. It's a world where our team is still playing. :)

bik4u62
03-16-2010, 10:51 PM
...even the comment in the blog reads:
"Finally, here's Frame 3. You can clearly tell that's the puck in between the Chevy and Cadillac logo. Frattin is driving Wehrs into the boards. I can't tell for sure, but at this point, it seems Frattin has his shoulder into Wehrs head..." He then goes on to say, "...if Frattin doesn't leave his feet on this hit, we're not even having this discussion right now. The fact that he left his feet is why this is a big deal today."

Um...No. The suspension is for the blow to the head. I believe this hit is just a cheap as Marvin's on Genoway.
Frame #3, frame #9, frame #27... Gee-zuss! If the player's goal is the head, it happens on frame #1. See: Marvin, Aaron. If the player's goal is a cheap shot, he sucker punches from behind. See: Marvin, Aaron.

Fratty's hit was illegal. Got 5 min - should have been ejected. Instead he got to finish, and received a 1 game suspension so the WCHA could cover its *** for blowing the ejection call.

4four4
03-16-2010, 10:55 PM
And what a wonderful world it is. It's a world where our team is still playing. :)

Not one of you best comebacks.