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Husky4Life
03-16-2010, 03:53 PM
So 10,000 Sioux fans against 1500 random idiots. Sounds intimidating.

There wont be that many, the Fargo fans are too busy sandbagging (literally)

SIOUX4EVER
03-16-2010, 04:00 PM
Legality/illegality aside, Frattin completely DESTROYED Wehrs, who probably had it coming with all the whiny-beeching and pansy-arse after-the-whistle slapping he did that series.

ScoobyDoo
03-16-2010, 04:04 PM
Legality/illegality aside, Frattin completely DESTROYED Wehrs, who probably had it coming with all the whiny-beeching and pansy-arse after-the-whistle slapping he did that series.

Wow. Just wow.

SIOUX4EVER
03-16-2010, 04:07 PM
Wow. Just wow.

That's exactly what I said when I saw the hit. Perhaps your team could learn a lesson about playing physical rather than just whining about how bad it hurts when the other team hits too hard.:rolleyes:

goldy_331
03-16-2010, 04:09 PM
That's exactly what I said when I saw the hit. Perhaps your team could learn a lesson about playing physical rather than just whining about how bad it hurts when the other team hits too hard.:rolleyes:

Maybe Chay should have learned that too. And Bobby as well. :rolleyes:

SIOUX4EVER
03-16-2010, 04:13 PM
Maybe Chay should have learned that too. And Bobby as well. :rolleyes:

Yeah, because getting an elbow to the back of the head into the glass is exactly the same...keep telling yourself that.

It's only being hailed as a crime because it happened to the mighty maroon & gold. He got checked hard by a player who was playing with 10 times the intensity he was. A penalty was called and a suspension was handed out. But the idea that it was so far out of the realm of a game as fast and violent as hockey is ridiculous and ignorant.

PCM
03-16-2010, 04:17 PM
But how do they determine if a hit is too "hard." Frattin did glide before he made contact, but he was skating very fast before he started gliding.
Why do you think there's a rule against charging? Why do you think it states that a player can't take more than two steps before making a check? Why does it take into account the distance traveled before the hit is delivered? Why does it prohibit a player from jumping to deliver a hit?

I'll answer my own quesitons: It's because the rule is intended to put limits on how far players can go in delivering hits. If it was legal to hit someone as hard as possible, there would be no rule against charging. But there is. So it's not.

Boarding is usually called when a player is a few feet away from the wall and is slammed into it. Wehrs was right up against the wall.
The rule against boarding does not specify a distance a player has to be away from the wall before a penalty is called. A player can throw a legal check, but if it causes an opposing player to hit the boards violently, it's boarding. It doesn't matter how close or how far away the player was from the boards before he hits them.

HR-60 RULE 6 / PLAYING RULES
Boarding
SECTION 3. A player shall not body check, cross-check, elbow, charge or trip an opponent from the front or side in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently into the boards (see 6-23).
PENALTYŚMinor or major at discretion of the referee, based on degree of violence of the impact with the boards.

The contact to the head was what got him the penalty and the DQ. By the standards they have set throughout the season he ended up with the right punishment.
Agreed.

ScoobyDoo
03-16-2010, 04:22 PM
Yeah, because getting an elbow to the back of the head into the glass is exactly the same...keep telling yourself that.

It's only being hailed as a crime because it happened to the mighty maroon & gold. He got checked hard by a player who was playing with 10 times the intensity he was. A penalty was called and a suspension was handed out. But the idea that it was so far out of the realm of a game as fast and violent as hockey is ridiculous and ignorant.

No, it was an illegal hit and has been demonstrated to be so by the league, by UND fans, and by Gopher fans.

You want to see someone get crushed legally than watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oup942y25jU notice that he doesn't leave his feet. Notice that he doesn't crush the guys skull. Notice that he doesn't skate into him from 25 feet away.

state of hockey
03-16-2010, 04:25 PM
Yeah, because getting an elbow to the back of the head into the glass is exactly the same...keep telling yourself that.

It's only being hailed as a crime because it happened to the mighty maroon & gold. He got checked hard by a player who was playing with 10 times the intensity he was. A penalty was called and a suspension was handed out. But the idea that it was so far out of the realm of a game as fast and violent as hockey is ridiculous and ignorant.

This is my favorite part.

SIOUX4EVER
03-16-2010, 04:27 PM
No, it was an illegal hit and has been demonstrated to be so by the league, by UND fans, and by Gopher fans.

You want to see someone get crushed legally than watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oup942y25jU notice that he doesn't leave his feet. Notice that he doesn't crush the guys skull. Notice that he doesn't skate into him from 25 feet away.

As I stated in my earlier post, "legality/illegality aside..." I was just pointing out that regardless of the penalty & suspension, it was a huge hit in the course of a very big game between rivals. I'm not trying to argue that he shouldn't have been penalized, and I understand the league's desire to discourage future similar plays, but I really don't think it was carried out with any ill intent, despite the belief of many here.

SIOUX4EVER
03-16-2010, 04:28 PM
This is my favorite part.

This was my favorite part: UND 6, um 0...UND 4, um 1. UND-->Final Five, um-->offseason.

ScoobyDoo
03-16-2010, 04:31 PM
As I stated in my earlier post, "legality/illegality aside..." I was just pointing out that regardless of the penalty & suspension, it was a huge hit in the course of a very big game between rivals. I'm not trying to argue that he shouldn't have been penalized, and I understand the league's desire to discourage future similar plays, but I really don't think it was carried out with any ill intent, despite the belief of many here.

Intent? No, only Frattin knows intent. But his actions were careless and reckless and you seem to want to dismiss that.

state of hockey
03-16-2010, 04:31 PM
This was my favorite part: UND 6, um 0...UND 4, um 1. UND-->Final Five, um-->offseason.

Ha ha. Wow you're dumb.

PCM
03-16-2010, 04:32 PM
No, it was an illegal hit and has been demonstrated to be so by the league, by UND fans, and by Gopher fans.

You want to see someone get crushed legally than watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oup942y25jU notice that he doesn't leave his feet. Notice that he doesn't crush the guys skull. Notice that he doesn't skate into him from 25 feet away.
TJ Oshie was pretty good at that, too. ;)

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SIOUX4EVER
03-16-2010, 04:34 PM
Intent? No, only Frattin knows intent. But his actions were careless and reckless and you seem to want to dismiss that.

His comment was along the lines that he was trying to fire up his team with a big hit. I don't think he was headhunting or trying to take Wehrs out of the game. The result was probably more a product of 6'1"-200 in motion vs. 5'9"-175 stationary than anything else.

state of hockey
03-16-2010, 04:35 PM
Intent? No, only Frattin knows intent. But his actions were careless and reckless and you seem to want to dismiss that.

Don't bother. This tool hasn't even paid attention to the fact that 95% of the Gopher fans aren't arguing that Frattin should have been more severely punished. I also haven't seen any Gopher fan declare that Frattin most definitely had malicious intent to injure. Just let him go on his little soapbox.

Anyways. This matter is such a ridiculous non-issue. It has been taken care of. There really shouldn't be anything left to see here.

SIOUX4EVER
03-16-2010, 04:37 PM
Ha ha. Wow you're dumb.

Great comeback...what are you, 8? How's this: you smell...nana nana boo boo!

Look, I'm sure it sucks to follow a team that sucks, but your anger with Frattin for the hit is misdirected...get mad at your team/coach for another underwhelming season.

flyund
03-16-2010, 04:43 PM
Sioux4ever shut up
The hit was a charge, 5 maybe suspension no, but it happened. It's the play in game. that if we win means playing 6 games in 8 days.

SIOUX4EVER
03-16-2010, 04:55 PM
Sioux4ever shut up
The hit was a charge, 5 maybe suspension no, but it happened. It's the play in game. that if we win means playing 6 games in 8 days.

No s--t. I never said it wasn't a charge or that he shouldn't have been suspended. I'm just pointing out that it was a huge hit and perhaps a turning point in the game. And I don't agree with the comparisons to the Marvin hit on Chay or the Paukovich hit on Bina...not. even. close.

Oh, and KMA.

jorgie74
03-16-2010, 05:01 PM
didn't see the Leddy hit but the Frattin hit was a fairly ordinary, if hard, charging penalty. 5 minutes was probably the right call with the emphasis on blows to the head but if Wehrs had had his head up, it would not have been that bad. Suspension is not called for, it was face to face, not from behind.
Apparently the WCHA does not agree with you, they suspended Frattin for one game. IMHO it should have been at least for the rest of the season.