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satyking
03-29-2010, 09:01 PM
As long as UNH plays and practices on that over-sized sheet of ice they will go nowhere.....when they hit the standard NHL size rink they are not ready for the hits and closeness of the game and fall apart

thecomicbookguy
03-29-2010, 09:16 PM
As long as UNH plays and practices on that over-sized sheet of ice they will go nowhere.....when they hit the standard NHL size rink they are not ready for the hits and closeness of the game and fall apart

This may be one aspect of the problem, but not the main one. UNH made the Frozen Four in '98, '99, '02, and '03 playing games on the small sheet. Last year in Manch they shocked North Dakota, and outplayed overall #1 BU for much of the game. They thoroughly trounced Cornell on the NHL sheet in Albany this year. And then there's the 07-08 season, where they got trounced by Notre Dame in the regionals, on Olympic ice (and were better on the road than at home).

Also, Minnesota plays on 200x100, and Wisconsin plays on 200x97. Neither of those teams seems to have the problems UNH has, so I'm going to guess it's a little more than "their home rink is too big".

Jon
03-29-2010, 10:07 PM
If UNH is going to keep playing like they did against RIT (apparently the previous three games were aberrations), UNH could just give PC they're berth to the tourney. Could PC do worse?

Is that a challenge?

I've said it before, I'll say it again: PC plays hard. They just can't score enough. Alex Beaudry is going to go down as one of the best players in PC history. But he's alone.

thecomicbookguy
03-29-2010, 10:22 PM
Is that a challenge?

I've said it before, I'll say it again: PC plays hard. They just can't score enough. Alex Beaudry is going to go down as one of the best players in PC history. But he's alone.

One UNH goal was a nice tip, the other was a nice cross-ice pass for a one-timer. I think PC could pull that off. And, I think Beaudry would have stopped at least one of the 3 goals RIT scored in 94 seconds (probably the first, which most likely would have stemmed the tide), and would have given up less than 5 goals.

So, yeah, I think PC could have done better. Not sure about the Cornell game (no disrespect intended, I really just don't know how PC would have fared - that was some other UNH team that played in that game).

Jon
03-29-2010, 10:28 PM
PC can't score and Cornell does nothing but play defense and blast show tunes. i think PC would be screwed...

bcfan131
03-30-2010, 01:45 AM
As long as UNH plays and practices on that over-sized sheet of ice they will go nowhere.....when they hit the standard NHL size rink they are not ready for the hits and closeness of the game and fall apart

This hasn't been a problem for Minnesota in the past so I don't know why it would be a problem for UNH.

Edit: Ah, I didn't see what thecomicbookguy said. My bad!:o

satyking
03-30-2010, 08:07 AM
Minn plays in a diff style conference, more speed and finesse.... HE is a pound it out conference hit and hit some more....I think the ice size is a big part of their trouble not the only part but a major part

Hokydad
03-30-2010, 09:34 AM
Minn plays in a diff style conference, more speed and finesse.... HE is a pound it out conference hit and hit some more....I think the ice size is a big part of their trouble not the only part but a major part

Really? To the contrary HE is known as a smaller players, speed game. The vast majority of their superstars have been then Gerbe, Gionta, Bradford, Warsofsky types. I dont think HE is known as a bangers league at all.

Much more of a league known for speed. Thats why it used to have trouble when they hooked up with the North Dakotas of the world.

HockeyMan2000
03-30-2010, 10:35 AM
This may be one aspect of the problem, but not the main one.

I agree, and I think preparation -- pure coaching -- is a major issue. I'm not going to trash Umile as some of the fanbase is doing right now, but UNH has just shown up DOA at times in key games...you don't need me to name them for you, but I will say the first Frozen Four they made with Umile, the coach had taken the team to the grave of Charlie Holt, what, the day before? Then they came out that afternoon in Boston and played like they were dead. I remember one impartial fan screaming out "we're paying for this!" at one point during the 2nd period.

Last weekend -- again, they look great against Cornell. And then failed to show up against RIT the next day. As much as RIT is a nice story this year, and played well obviously, there's no excuse for not even being in that game. That kind of performance makes you wonder about how prepared the team is, when you get wild fluctuations in performance coming on back to back days.

As you say, the team has played well in Albany at times...that OT win over BU years ago even got me excited at the time, and I'm no UNH fan obviously...so I don't think ice surface is even the #1 reason you can cite for their lack of success on the big-time stage anyway.

HockeyMan2000
03-30-2010, 10:38 AM
Really? To the contrary HE is known as a smaller players, speed game. The vast majority of their superstars have been then Gerbe, Gionta, Bradford, Warsofsky types. I dont think HE is known as a bangers league at all.

Much more of a league known for speed. Thats why it used to have trouble when they hooked up with the North Dakotas of the world.

HE has had more than its share of physical players who have given other conferences fits on the national stage. Certainly I don't think you can say the WCHA is a "bangers league" in terms of its style of play versus Hockey East.

Minnesota's game, at least, is almost always about speed. As satyking mentions, the Gophers certainly do play a finesse game -- it's why they've had problems once they get into the NCAAs. Yes they have those two Frozen Fours in the last decade, but a host of other disappointments surrounding them for many years, because once they start playing teams from other conferences -- with players who knock them around -- they have had their problems. Glaring ones.

Hokydad
03-30-2010, 10:45 AM
HE has had more than its share of physical players who have given other conferences fits on the national stage. . Certainly I don't think you can say the WCHA is a "bangers league" in terms of its style of play versus Hockey East.

Minnesota's game, at least, is almost always about speed. As satyking mentions, the Gophers certainly do play a finesse game -- it's why they've had problems once they get into the NCAAs. Yes they have those two Frozen Fours in the last decade, but a host of other disappointments surrounding them for many years, because once they start playing teams from other conferences -- with players who knock them around -- they have had their problems. Glaring ones.

We agree to disagree. HE is known as a skaters league, we didnt say teams, we said league...

HE is not known as a bangers league. The top teams have always been lead by speed and skill not size,and banging.

HockeyMan2000
03-30-2010, 11:09 AM
We agree to disagree. HE is known as a skaters league, we didnt say teams, we said league...

HE is not known as a bangers league. The top teams have always been lead by speed and skill not size,and banging.

I don't recall the BU and Maine teams which won in the '90s being finesse teams necessarily. The BC teams which won with Gionta and Gerbe were quick and skilled, of course, but also very physical -- it's not all about size, it's about the style in which they play. Those guys were certainly not afraid to throw their bodies around either.

Anyway, this line of the conversation started with a comparison of Minnesota with UNH. Minnesota certainly has been playing a finesse game for years on a large sheet of ice. The WCHA has gone through periods where they've had teams that score a lot of goals and then go into the NCAAs and struggle -- Minnesota's teams being a paramount example of that. Wisconsin and North Dakota less so in the last 10 years. Still, you watch WCHA regular season games for years as many of us do on the dish, and you see teams that fly up and down the ice. Once they get into the NCAAs they can't do that, and they have to grind it out more often.

I wouldn't necessarily generalize and say HE is known for "Bangers," but the style of play in the league is often more physical than, at least, what Minnesota has played for many years. It's why outside of their 2 FF wins they failed for almost decades once they got into national playoff competition.

Hokydad
03-30-2010, 11:16 AM
I wouldn't necessarily generalize and say HE is known for "Bangers," but the style of play in the league is often more physical than, at least, what Minnesota has played for many years. It's why outside of their 2 FF wins they failed for almost decades once they got into national playoff competition.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like your talking about exactly what happened to BC until Gionta led them to the promise land

satyking
03-30-2010, 11:22 AM
To add to that the BC teams that featured Gionta and Gerbe had many "bangers" that set up the little guys who by the way had a center of gravity just above the ankle.....you could hit them, cross-check them, push or pull them and they would still be standing at the side of the net waiting for the puck......they had the speed but they also had the helpers.....I think Eaves for one would be insulted to be called a European style player.....this is also true for the good Maine teams under Walsh

HockeyMan2000
03-30-2010, 11:25 AM
Sounds like your talking about exactly what happened to BC until Gionta led them to the promise land

To some degree yeah, though BC had gotten to the FF a number of times and just couldn't win it until 01. I wouldn't say they "struggled" nationally in the '90s once York took over, they often won NCAA games but just not the whole thing (and the bounce of a puck wasn't with them at least a couple of times too; that championship game with Michigan in '98 being an example of that, outplayed them badly but ended up hitting the post a few times, etc. before losing in OT).

Minnesota on the other hand would get into the NCAA's and be "one and done" for a while as memory serves. Their struggles were even worse for a long time...losing is losing, though being unlucky vs. just being beaten are two different things, admittedly.

Jon
03-30-2010, 09:52 PM
Judging from what I see on the Minnesota, Denver, Wisconsin, and Nodak games I get every weekend, it seems like the WCHA is a more physical league.

I've always thought BC was under rated as a physical team.

The Freds
03-31-2010, 08:26 PM
Has anybody floated by Schneider recently? Just wondering...

PcFriars13
03-31-2010, 11:25 PM
ha well the entire campus has been underwater for the past two days...i had to wade to class. felt like a duck. you'd think that for 40k a year PC could figure out how to drain the campus during a rainstorm.

The Freds
03-31-2010, 11:33 PM
One would think PC could do a lot of things better.

PC91
04-01-2010, 07:08 AM
One would think PC could do a lot of things better.


They are creating a state of the art Lax "stadium" which will provide an opportunity for families to enjoy an outdoor sport on campus! What more do you want????

Don't you know that this game that originated with the Native people of this country and perfected by dirty French trappers and Jesuits, is the sport of the future!!!

PC's Lax Stadium will be the envy of all the land.
Eat your heart out J. Hopkins, Syracuse, Virginia, UNC et al. :p :p :p