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NUProf
03-08-2010, 05:50 AM
Here they are - by my numbers, STS should have been in instead of Gustavus, and the committe made the right call re Mville/Elmira


G W L Rating Last Rank
1 OSW 27 25 2 711 707 1
2 NRW 28 25 3 690 689 2
3 SNB 27 22.5 4.5 673 670 3
4 MID 27 21 6 671 658 5
5 PLT 27 20 7 663 668 4
6 BOW 26 19.5 6.5 652 652 6
7 STS 28 20 8 633 634 7
8 WIL 25 16.5 8.5 622 622 10
9 ELM 27 18.5 8.5 622 628 8
10 GAC 27 20 7 616 626 9
11 AMH 25 18 7 615 618 11
12 HML 26 18 8 611 610 12
13 MAN 27 20.5 6.5 609 601 15
14 TRN 26 16 10 602 610 12
15 ADR 27 24 3 602 593 17
16 WRF 29 19 10 597 602 14
17 HAM 26 16 10 592 599 16
18 FIT 27 20.5 6.5 584 590 19
19 WEN 25 19.5 5.5 581 592 18
20 SAL 27 16 11 578 557 30
21 STA 27 16.5 10.5 577 572 20
22 CLB 24 13 11 574 572 20
23 CUR 28 19.5 8.5 574 566 24
24 WSR 27 12.5 14.5 568 570 22
25 WST 27 12 15 566 568 23
26 TUF 25 13.5 11.5 565 564 25
27 BAB 28 15 13 562 560 27
28 HOB 26 14.5 11.5 560 560 27
29 NEU 27 16.5 10.5 560 562 26
30 FRE 26 18 8 556 558 29
31 WEC 27 10 17 555 557 30
32 STT 27 15 12 551 538 36
33 NEC 27 12 15 541 540 34
34 AUG 27 16.5 10.5 540 542 32
35 GEN 25 14 11 539 539 35
36 WSP 28 12.5 15.5 539 541 33
37 PLY 27 17.5 9.5 533 538 36
38 CST 26 11.5 14.5 530 533 38
39 MAR 27 20 7 530 532 39
40 STO 26 14 12 527 529 40
41 MOR 26 9 17 520 523 41
42 POT 25 10 15 517 519 42
43 UMB 25 11 14 516 517 43
44 SOM 26 10.5 15.5 515 514 44
45 BEC 25 13.5 11.5 509 514 44
46 CTC 24 8.5 15.5 506 507 46
47 WFS 26 13.5 12.5 499 506 47
48 BRC 27 14.5 12.5 498 499 49
49 SKD 27 10 17 497 502 48
50 WES 22 8 14 487 487 50
51 STJ 25 11 14 484 484 51
52 SUF 26 12.5 13.5 482 481 52
53 BET 25 10 15 477 479 53
54 J&W 28 12.5 15.5 474 455 59
55 UTC 26 10 16 474 475 54
56 NIC 25 14.5 10.5 469 470 55
57 MSE 27 15 12 468 467 56
58 UMD 27 11.5 15.5 466 456 58
59 CNC 25 7.5 17.5 466 465 57
60 AMP 25 12.5 12.5 448 447 62
61 STM 27 8.5 18.5 447 454 60
62 CRT 25 7 18 446 448 61
63 WOR 25 7 18 437 438 63
64 BFS 25 6.5 18.5 434 434 64
65 LKF 27 10 17 419 420 65
66 STN 27 11.5 15.5 418 420 65
67 UNE 25 3 22 407 408 67
68 LAW 28 11 17 401 401 68
69 FPU 25 8 17 399 401 68
70 SNH 23 6.5 16.5 391 390 70
71 FRA 24 3 21 359 360 71
72 FNL 25 6.5 18.5 344 344 72
73 STR 25 1.5 23.5 341 342 73
74 NLD 27 5.5 21.5 339 340 74
75 CNW 25 2.5 22.5 334 334 75
76 WNE 24 3.5 20.5 324 323 76
77 SLV 26 1.5 24.5 300 301 77
78 LVC 25 0 25 253 254 78


Thus by my rankings the tournament (as selected) should have been seeded

E1 Oswego
E2 Norwich
E3 Middlebury
E4 Plattsburgh
E5 Bowdoin
E6 Elmira
E7 Curry

W1 St. Norbert
W2 Gustavus
W3 Adrian
W4 St. Thomas

Except for flipping Oswego and Norwich, and sending Adrian to SNC because of Geographic Proximity, that is how the committee did seed the tournament.

Yes, my computer says that the team that got jobbed in all this was actually STS, not Mville.

cardinal country native
03-08-2010, 10:03 AM
Thanks NU Prof!!! The Numbers Do Not Lie!!! ;)


Here they are - by my numbers, STS should have been in instead of Gustavus, and the committe made the right call re Mville/Elmira


G W L Rating Last Rank
1 OSW 27 25 2 711 707 1
2 NRW 28 25 3 690 689 2
3 SNB 27 22.5 4.5 673 670 3
4 MID 27 21 6 671 658 5
5 PLT 27 20 7 663 668 4
6 BOW 26 19.5 6.5 652 652 6
7 STS 28 20 8 633 634 7
8 WIL 25 16.5 8.5 622 622 10
9 ELM 27 18.5 8.5 622 628 8
10 GAC 27 20 7 616 626 9
11 AMH 25 18 7 615 618 11
12 HML 26 18 8 611 610 12
13 MAN 27 20.5 6.5 609 601 15
14 TRN 26 16 10 602 610 12
15 ADR 27 24 3 602 593 17
16 WRF 29 19 10 597 602 14
17 HAM 26 16 10 592 599 16
18 FIT 27 20.5 6.5 584 590 19
19 WEN 25 19.5 5.5 581 592 18
20 SAL 27 16 11 578 557 30
21 STA 27 16.5 10.5 577 572 20
22 CLB 24 13 11 574 572 20
23 CUR 28 19.5 8.5 574 566 24
24 WSR 27 12.5 14.5 568 570 22
25 WST 27 12 15 566 568 23
26 TUF 25 13.5 11.5 565 564 25
27 BAB 28 15 13 562 560 27
28 HOB 26 14.5 11.5 560 560 27
29 NEU 27 16.5 10.5 560 562 26
30 FRE 26 18 8 556 558 29
31 WEC 27 10 17 555 557 30
32 STT 27 15 12 551 538 36
33 NEC 27 12 15 541 540 34
34 AUG 27 16.5 10.5 540 542 32
35 GEN 25 14 11 539 539 35
36 WSP 28 12.5 15.5 539 541 33
37 PLY 27 17.5 9.5 533 538 36
38 CST 26 11.5 14.5 530 533 38
39 MAR 27 20 7 530 532 39
40 STO 26 14 12 527 529 40
41 MOR 26 9 17 520 523 41
42 POT 25 10 15 517 519 42
43 UMB 25 11 14 516 517 43
44 SOM 26 10.5 15.5 515 514 44
45 BEC 25 13.5 11.5 509 514 44
46 CTC 24 8.5 15.5 506 507 46
47 WFS 26 13.5 12.5 499 506 47
48 BRC 27 14.5 12.5 498 499 49
49 SKD 27 10 17 497 502 48
50 WES 22 8 14 487 487 50
51 STJ 25 11 14 484 484 51
52 SUF 26 12.5 13.5 482 481 52
53 BET 25 10 15 477 479 53
54 J&W 28 12.5 15.5 474 455 59
55 UTC 26 10 16 474 475 54
56 NIC 25 14.5 10.5 469 470 55
57 MSE 27 15 12 468 467 56
58 UMD 27 11.5 15.5 466 456 58
59 CNC 25 7.5 17.5 466 465 57
60 AMP 25 12.5 12.5 448 447 62
61 STM 27 8.5 18.5 447 454 60
62 CRT 25 7 18 446 448 61
63 WOR 25 7 18 437 438 63
64 BFS 25 6.5 18.5 434 434 64
65 LKF 27 10 17 419 420 65
66 STN 27 11.5 15.5 418 420 65
67 UNE 25 3 22 407 408 67
68 LAW 28 11 17 401 401 68
69 FPU 25 8 17 399 401 68
70 SNH 23 6.5 16.5 391 390 70
71 FRA 24 3 21 359 360 71
72 FNL 25 6.5 18.5 344 344 72
73 STR 25 1.5 23.5 341 342 73
74 NLD 27 5.5 21.5 339 340 74
75 CNW 25 2.5 22.5 334 334 75
76 WNE 24 3.5 20.5 324 323 76
77 SLV 26 1.5 24.5 300 301 77
78 LVC 25 0 25 253 254 78


Thus by my rankings the tournament (as selected) should have been seeded

E1 Oswego
E2 Norwich
E3 Middlebury
E4 Plattsburgh
E5 Bowdoin
E6 Elmira
E7 Curry

W1 St. Norbert
W2 Gustavus
W3 Adrian
W4 St. Thomas

Except for flipping Oswego and Norwich, and sending Adrian to SNC because of Geographic Proximity, that is how the committee did seed the tournament.

Yes, my computer says that the team that got jobbed in all this was actually STS, not Mville.

93GreatLaker
03-08-2010, 06:18 PM
Prof - your rankings have Oswego with a statistically significant advantage over NU, likewise the PWC comparisons have a sizable edge for the Lakers. Is there anything in the numbers that gives Norwich the nod over Oswego? Since NU is the #1 seed in the tourney, you would think there would be a combination of the criteria that gives Norwich the nod. Find out what it is and we might have a better insight as to what categories are really important.

I am not questioning NU being the top seed, just wondering how they got there given the supposed criteria.

NUProf
03-08-2010, 07:04 PM
Prof - your rankings have Oswego with a statistically significant advantage over NU, likewise the PWC comparisons have a sizable edge for the Lakers. Is there anything in the numbers that gives Norwich the nod over Oswego? Since NU is the #1 seed in the tourney, you would think there would be a combination of the criteria that gives Norwich the nod. Find out what it is and we might have a better insight as to what categories are really important.

I am not questioning NU being the top seed, just wondering how they got there given the supposed criteria.

I suspect in the committee's eyes they were close or they really valued OOWP, The answer to me is a big question mark. As long as both teams get a first round bye it really doesn't matter.

93GreatLaker
03-08-2010, 07:21 PM
Thanks Prof, I agree it doesn't make a bit of difference. I was just curious if we could gain any insight based on the results (reverse engineering).