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SpartyTAD
02-28-2010, 07:31 PM
Now that we have completed the second regular season using the shootout as a means to settle ties, I am wondering what the sentiment among CCHA fans is on its implementation. In the original press release (http://www.uscho.com/news/college-hockey/id,15731/CCHAAdoptsShootoutToSettleLeagueTies.html), both CCHA commissioner Tom Anastos and FSN Detroit vice president and general manager Greg Hammaren said that the shootout would prove to add excitement to the regular season games. Has the shootout enhanced watching regular season CCHA hockey for you? Do you believe that it has proven to be an acceptable means to break ties in league standings?

For me, the shootout has been an interesting experiment but not a resounding success. Michigan State has won five shootouts in ten opportunities over the last two seasons; I personally view these as ten ties, not view these as five “wins” and five “losses” since for me they feel like ties used to and not really like a “win” or “loss.” Without shootouts, the only changes to the final league standings this year would have been that Northern would be the third seed based on head to head with Ferris, and Western would have swapped with Bowling Green.

richl49
02-28-2010, 07:38 PM
I think the shootout is fine for regular-season games and with the current point system (3 for win, 2 shooout win).

I still regard the outcome as a tie, but have no problem with them adding the skills contest to appease casual fans if it indeed does that.

now if the gold medal game had come down to a shoot-out I would've had a problem with that.

MUhawks628
02-28-2010, 07:39 PM
My sentiments towards the CCHA shootouts are exactly the same as the NHL. Leave the breakaway competition for All-Star weekend and the Frozen Four Skills Contest. Hockey was just fine ending games in ties for decades and I never saw a need to change that.

/rant off

While I would agree that the NHL adding shootouts does occasionally draw in the casual fan, the scope of coverage for college hockey is so limited I find it hard to believe that anyone not familiar to the game has been enticed to watch a CCHA matchup simply because a shootout was added.

NMUFAN
02-28-2010, 07:45 PM
My sentiments towards the CCHA shootouts are exactly the same as the NHL. Leave the breakaway competition for All-Star weekend and the Frozen Four Skills Contest. Hockey was just fine ending games in ties for decades and I never saw a need to change that.

/rant off

Agreed.


But if the CCHA must keep it, stay with this year's point system.

aallenpollreisz
02-28-2010, 07:52 PM
Initially, I was a big fan of the shootout.

Now? Honestly, I think it's a burden that doesn't really add anything to the game. That, and frankly, as somebody who's been scouring the Pairwise every weekend since the break, I have found the shootout to be more and more irrelevant.

Worse yet, I think the option of the shootout causes the overtime period to be played by both teams at a less intense pace.

At this point, I'd be all for reverting back to the old system.

alnike
02-28-2010, 08:22 PM
Without shootouts, the only changes to the final league standings this year would have been that Northern would be the third seed based on head to head with Ferris, and Western would have swapped with Bowling Green.

And Michigan and Alaska would swap places. Michigan would finish 5, and Alaska 7th. UNO would remain at 6th.

Michigan 43 pts.
UNO 42 pts.
UA(F) 41 pts.

Michigan has had 1 shootout in 2 years, and they looked rather rusty at it.
Get rid of it. It's a tie game to me.

ExileOnDaytonStreet
02-28-2010, 08:48 PM
I'd chime in with a vintage EoDS Super-Rant, but this being a CCHA fans thread and all, I think I can leave the "shootouts are stupid" rant up to my CCHA brethren.

Rms123
02-28-2010, 09:02 PM
I've been watching hockey all my life, and I like the shoot out. I think they are fun and exciting to watch. I don't like them for championship games or anything like that. I'm ok with them for regular season games though.

bronconick
02-28-2010, 09:04 PM
They suck and serve no purpose.

The NHL can do whatever they want to grab more "casual fans" (And fail, but that's another story.)

College hockey doesn't really have casual fans. We'll survive the indignity of a tie game without a clearcut winner, especially since it's a tie officially and you had screw with the point system and add a freaking line to the standings.

STATEdude3
02-28-2010, 09:13 PM
I have been to about 40 games over the last two seasons but I have yet to attend one that ended in a shootout...just bad timing I guess.

As for their functionality...I like the idea of every game having a "winner" but I'm not sure I like the individualism of the shootout. Hockey is the most team sport that there is, and this takes the team concept out of it.

MUhawks628
02-28-2010, 09:18 PM
I've been watching hockey all my life, and I like the shoot out. I think they are fun and exciting to watch. I don't like them for championship games or anything like that. I'm ok with them for regular season games though.

I really enjoyed the shootout for about half of the 05-06 NHL season and then the novelty wore off. Today when a game goes to a shootout I am usually so bitter by the time the zamboni gets done clearing the strip that I just want them to get it over with fast regardless of the result.

Disclaimer: As a Wings fan, this season may be impassioning my views on the shootout ever so slightly :p. But seriously, it sucks.

STATEdude3
02-28-2010, 09:29 PM
I really enjoyed the shootout for about half of the 05-06 NHL season and then the novelty wore off. Today when a game goes to a shootout I am usually so bitter by the time the zamboni gets done clearing the strip that I just want them to get it over with fast regardless of the result.

Disclaimer: As a Wings fan, this season may be impassioning my views on the shootout ever so slightly :p. But seriously, it sucks.

Try being a Spartan/Wings fan...I think between the two teams they have 3 shootout wins in about 20 tries this season.:mad:

Squarebanks
02-28-2010, 09:29 PM
Personally I'd rather have them leave a tie as well enough alone, even though I know my 'Nooks have been the beneficiaries quite a few times.

Witness: earlier in February, the second game of the Michigan State/Alaska series. Teams skated to a 2-2 tie, and literally played each other completely even the whole way. And yet MSU walked out with an extra point despite not, in my mind, having really earned it any more or less than the 'Nooks did.

Like some others, I enjoyed the novelty at first but it's worn out its welcome for me. Especially considering that it has no bearing on NCAA rankings, why bother anymore?

Gomer
02-28-2010, 09:30 PM
They don't bother me. Nor do I require them. Ties to me though, after 65 minutes of hockey are a little anticlimactic.

On the subject of ties... we had an interesting situation at MSU. Palmisano was defending the goal and in the process of sliding to the post, he knocked it just off its mooring just prior to a goal be scored. It was reviewed, and waved off. The shooter did not get a second shot. That whole deal seemed like it could get shady in a hurry.

Hammer
02-28-2010, 09:34 PM
I'm anti-shootout, regardless of the impact to my team's record. If we're so hell-bent on deciding a winner, move OT back to 10 minutes and play 4x4 if you have to. You're likely to get a winner much more often than not.

One more thing: since we're so interested in having a winner in every game, why are we giving points for "losing" a game in a shootout? Under the logic saying that we're going to use a shootout to decide a winner, either you won the game, or you lost it. If we're going to have shootouts, get rid of the ties and the shootout wins in the standings. You won or you lost. Otherwise, why are we having shootouts in the first place?

Patman
02-28-2010, 09:40 PM
They don't bother me. Nor do I require them. Ties to me though, after 65 minutes of hockey are a little anticlimactic.

On the subject of ties... we had an interesting situation at MSU. Palmisano was defending the goal and in the process of sliding to the post, he knocked it just off its mooring just prior to a goal be scored. It was reviewed, and waved off. The shooter did not get a second shot. That whole deal seemed like it could get shady in a hurry.

During standard play that is supposed to be a goal... they changed that rule several years back when Boston University was making a habit of knocking the net back off its posts. If it was going in anyhow its supposed to stand, but maybe there's a loophole in the structure of the rules for penalty shots.

BII
02-28-2010, 09:53 PM
Does baseball resolve ties with home run derbies? Does football resolve ties with punt, pass, kick contests? Does golf resolve ties with martini drinking contests?

MUhawks628
02-28-2010, 09:55 PM
Does golf resolve ties with martini drinking contests?

No, but they should give it some serious consideration ;)

SpartyTAD
02-28-2010, 09:55 PM
And Michigan and Alaska would swap places. Michigan would finish 5, and Alaska 7th. UNO would remain at 6th.

Michigan 43 pts.
UNO 42 pts.
UA(F) 41 pts.


I used the scoring of two points for a win and one for a tie and then broke the ties in the standings with head to head to get the following standings.

W L T Pts
Miami 21 2 5 47
Michigan State 14 8 6 34
Northern Michigan 13 9 6 32 won season series
Ferris State 13 9 6 32
Alaska 11 9 8 30
Nebraska-Omaha 13 12 3 29 won season series
Michigan 14 13 1 29
Ohio State 10 12 6 26
Notre Dame 9 12 7 25
Lake Superior 10 15 3 23
Western Michigan 4 17 7 15
Bowling Green 4 18 6 14

Gomer
02-28-2010, 10:23 PM
Does baseball resolve ties with home run derbies? Does football resolve ties with punt, pass, kick contests? Does golf resolve ties with martini drinking contests?
The key there is that they all resolve the ties.

What's the reasoning for not playing extra periods?