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spwood
02-23-2010, 03:48 PM
Obviously I noticed Plattsburgh dropped a spot right away. Anyone with more time than I have give me a rational explanation for this?


East Region Region Record Overall
1. Norwich 16-1-4 20-1-4
2. Oswego State 22-2-0 23-2-0
3. Middlebury 14-3-4 16-4-4
4. Plattsburgh State 17-4-4 17-4-4
5. Bowdoin 15-5-1 17-5-1
6. Amherst 15-3-3 16-4-4
7. Williams 13-5-3 15-5-3
8. Elmira 16-7-1 17-7-1
9. Trinity (Connecticut) 12-7-2 14-8-2
10. Manhattanville 17-6-1 18-6-1
11. Neumann 14-8-3 14-8-3
12. Fredonia State 16-6-2 16-7-2
13. Hamilton 13-7-2 14-8-2
14. Wentworth Institute 16-4-1 19-4-1
15. Curry 10-5-1 16-8-1

West Region Region Record Overall
1. St. Norbert 19-2-3 19-3-3
2. Gustavus Adolphus 18-5-2 18-5-2
3. St. Scholastica 16-4-5 17-4-5
4. Hamline 16-5-4 16-5-4
5. Wisconsin-River Falls 17-8-2 17-8-2
6. Augsburg 15-9-1 15-9-1
7. Adrian 22-2-0 22-3-0

PrezdeJohnson09
02-23-2010, 03:50 PM
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but i believe Adrian was higher in last week's rankings as well.

Trinity jumped Manhattanville too and seperated Elmira/Manhattanville

Matthew Webb
02-23-2010, 03:52 PM
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but i believe Adrian was higher in last week's rankings as well.

Correct. Adrian was sixth last week. GA and CSS also flip-flopped for 2/3.

spwood
02-23-2010, 03:52 PM
I guess my thinking is that Middlebury beat Skidmore and Castleton, both teams Plattsburgh has beaten this year. So what pushed them over the Cardinals in the rankings? Seems arbitrary to me....

Duh....it's the NCAA - my bad!

CARDS_rule_the_Burgh
02-23-2010, 03:54 PM
I guess my thinking is that Middlebury beat Skidmore and Castleton, both teams Plattsburgh has beaten this year. So what pushed them over the Cardinals in the rankings? Seems arbitrary to me....

Duh....it's the NCAA - my bad!

Perhaps that was enough to push Middlebury ahead in COP, which was in turn enough to push Midd ahead of Platty? :confused:

I don't know, it seems odd to me.

PrezdeJohnson09
02-23-2010, 03:56 PM
Perhaps that was enough to push Middlebury ahead in COP, which was in turn enough to push Midd ahead of Platty? :confused:

I don't know, it seems odd to me.

Could Elmira continuing to tank make Plattsburgh's tie look worse?

joecct
02-23-2010, 03:56 PM
IIRC, once your ranked, your always ranked, in terms of record vs. ranked teams??

NUProf
02-23-2010, 04:03 PM
I guess my thinking is that Middlebury beat Skidmore and Castleton, both teams Plattsburgh has beaten this year. So what pushed them over the Cardinals in the rankings? Seems arbitrary to me....

Duh....it's the NCAA - my bad!

Huh? I didn't see Norwich passing Oswego. The only categories that NU wins are the two SOS metrics



Norwich vs Oswego
WIN 0.8571 0 0.9167 1
OWP 0.5515 1 0.5278 0
OOP 0.5246 1 0.5180 0
H2H 0- 0-0 0 0- 0-0 0
COP 3- 0-2 0 6- 0-0 1
RNK 7- 1-2 0 7- 1-0 1
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PTS 2 3

jerrynu26
02-23-2010, 04:10 PM
Unless they are counting ties as .5 wins. Then NU's record vs. RNK is 8-1, compared to 7-1 for Oswego, giving them 3 of 5.

spwood
02-23-2010, 04:11 PM
Huh? I didn't see Norwich passing Oswego. The only categories that NU wins are the two SOS metrics

WOW....I missed that one as well. Can it be that the Interlock is now getting a ton more respect than it did last week (by playing and beating) each other? Or could they be setting up Oswego to have to play a first round game with Adrian? A hedge in case Elmira doesn't make it....

Is it me or is the smoke-filled room filled up a little earlier this year?

EDIT: Actually, the COP and RNK are so close they are probably considered ties. Norwich wins SOS, which we know the NCAA likes, and Oswego wins just winning %....maybe not as big a stretch as I thought.

NUProf
02-23-2010, 04:18 PM
Unless they are counting ties as .5 wins. Then NU's record vs. RNK is 8-1, compared to 7-1 for Oswego, giving them 3 of 5.

If it's the normal .5W, .5T, that 8-2 for 0.800 compared to 7-1 for 0.875.

I'm an NU fan, and I don't see this at all. The main reason, of course this matters is the likelihood that only one East team will get a first round bye.

Matthew Webb
02-23-2010, 04:18 PM
USCHO Pairwise Rankings (http://www.uscho.com/rankings/?data=com3m) have been updated accordingly.

PrezdeJohnson09
02-23-2010, 04:28 PM
WOW....I missed that one as well. Can it be that the Interlock is now getting a ton more respect than it did last week (by playing and beating) each other? Or could they be setting up Oswego to have to play a first round game with Adrian? A hedge in case Elmira doesn't make it....

Is it me or is the smoke-filled room filled up a little earlier this year?

EDIT: Actually, the COP and RNK are so close they are probably considered ties. Norwich wins SOS, which we know the NCAA likes, and Oswego wins just winning %....maybe not as big a stretch as I thought.

IIRC,

Adrian cannot play Oswego without flying.

NUProf
02-23-2010, 04:32 PM
USCHO Pairwise Rankings (http://www.uscho.com/rankings/?data=com3m) have been updated accordingly.

With the new rankings list (this is what is crazy about this system) Norwich goes to 7-1-1 from 7-1-2. This increase their RNK to 0.833, so because somebody who was ranked became unranked, Norwich's portfolio looks better. Still doesn't explain NU over OSW, but we'll take it

NorthernLite
02-23-2010, 04:33 PM
IIRC,

Adrian cannot play Oswego without flying.

We'll be flying when we get there !:D

jimmy d
02-23-2010, 04:57 PM
Wow, Look at that NESCAC:D :D :D Finally getting the respect it deserves! Hockeyguy99 can explain how it happened though.:rolleyes:

jimmy d
02-23-2010, 05:01 PM
Perhaps that was enough to push Middlebury ahead in COP, which was in turn enough to push Midd ahead of Platty? :confused:

I don't know, it seems odd to me.

Maybe it had something to do with Middlebury beating Plattsburgh a couple of weeks ago?

NUProf
02-23-2010, 05:19 PM
IIRC, once your ranked, your always ranked, in terms of record vs. ranked teams??

No, that was changed last year, so you are helped if a ranked team that beat you falls out, and hurt if a ranked team you beat falls out. This creates an infinite loop of teams becoming ranked and unranked. Silly decison

Dyce
02-23-2010, 05:36 PM
Maybe it had something to do with Middlebury beating Plattsburgh a couple of weeks ago?
Were that the case, there's no reason it wouldn't have manifested in the first NCAA poll.

jimmy d
02-23-2010, 05:58 PM
Were that the case, there's no reason it wouldn't have manifested in the first NCAA poll.

Williams also beat Norwich, thereby boosting all of the NESCAC and it all kind of mathematically cascades... and it doesn't show up immediately.