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Ozz
02-16-2010, 01:32 PM
http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/021610aab.html



Feb. 16, 2010



NCAA Release

INDIANAPOLIS - The NCAA Division III Men’s Ice Hockey Committee has released
its first regional ranking with records through Sunday, February 14.
Approximately one-third of the institutions from each region are ranked.
Teams are ranked based on the following primary criteria:

• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.

• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition) to include:

Opponents’ Average Winning Percentage (OWP)

Opponents’ Opponents’ Average Winning Percentage (OOWP)

• In-region head-to-head competition.

• In-region results versus common regional opponents.

• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.

The national selection call will be Sunday evening, March 7.

East Region Region Record Overall
1. Oswego State 21-1-0 22-1-0
2. Norwich 14-1-4 18-1-4
3. Plattsburgh State 16-4-4 16-4-4
4. Middlebury 12-3-4 14-4-4
5. Amherst 14-3-3 15-4-3
6. Bowdoin 14-5-1 15-5-1
7. Williams 11-5-3 13-5-3
8. Elmira 15-6-1 16-6-1
9. Manhattanville 16-5-1 17-5-1
10. Fredonia State 16-6-2 16-7-2
11. Trinity (Connecticut) 12-6-2 13-7-2
12. Curry 10-5-1 16-6-1
13. Neumann 13-8-3 13-8-3
14. Babson 10-9-2 10-9-2
15. Hamilton 11-7-2 12-8-2

West Region Region Record Overall
1. St. Norbert 19-2-3 19-3-3
2. St. Scholastica 16-4-4 17-4-4
3. Gustavus Adolphus 16-5-2 16-5-2
4. Hamline 15-5-3 15-5-3
5. Wisconsin-River Falls 15-8-2 15-8-2
6. Adrian 20-2-0 20-3-0
7. Augsburg 14-8-1 14-8-1

Stormy8174
02-16-2010, 02:30 PM
Thanks! Not to different from the USCHO put out a day earlier.

Ozz
02-16-2010, 03:14 PM
Thanks! Not to different from the USCHO put out a day earlier.

One major difference between the USCHO poll and the NCAA rankings is the placement of Amherst. The NCAA rankings (and the Krach) look at Amherst in a much better light than the uSCHO voters. Luckily for Amherst, the NCAA ranking is the only one that matters!

Matt Rennell
02-16-2010, 05:06 PM
Not too surprising. Pretty much matched what I had except for a few exceptions. Manhattanville and Fredonia being so high at this point is laughable, as is ranking Babson and to a certain extent Neumann.

That said, it is very obvious as to why those teams are ranked, and it is for the very same reason the western committee ranked Augsburg who has no business being there. That is to boost the resume of the teams in contention for Pool C. Is it right? No. But it is what it is.

Overall though, no real complaints, one last observation is that Elmira is in a lot more trouble than I/we previously thought. They have zero room for error as the committee has Manhattanville right on their heals. Regardless of what happens this weekend, I think the committee just set it up for the winner of the ECAC West tourney to get the Pool B and the only ticket from the ECAC West.

NUProf
02-16-2010, 07:23 PM
Not too surprising. Pretty much matched what I had except for a few exceptions. Manhattanville and Fredonia being so high at this point is laughable, as is ranking Babson and to a certain extent Neumann.

That said, it is very obvious as to why those teams are ranked, and it is for the very same reason the western committee ranked Augsburg who has no business being there. That is to boost the resume of the teams in contention for Pool C. Is it right? No. But it is what it is.

Overall though, no real complaints, one last observation is that Elmira is in a lot more trouble than I/we previously thought. They have zero room for error as the committee has Manhattanville right on their heals. Regardless of what happens this weekend, I think the committee just set it up for the winner of the ECAC West tourney to get the Pool B and the only ticket from the ECAC West.

Can you spell c-o-n-s-p-i-r-a-c-y shhhhhhh!

norm1909
02-16-2010, 07:43 PM
Can you spell c-o-n-s-p-i-r-a-c-y shhhhhhh!

I can: N-C-A-A D-i-v-i-s-i-o-n III M-e-n-ís I-c-e H-o-c-k-e-y C-o-m-m-i-t-t-e-e :p :mad: ;)

NorthernLite
02-16-2010, 08:59 PM
That said, it is very obvious as to why those teams are ranked, and it is for the very same reason the western committee ranked Augsburg who has no business being there. That is to boost the resume of the teams in contention for Pool C. Is it right? No. But it is what it is.


.......curious as to why you think Augsburg's appearence in the ranking is a strategic move by the western committee. The west committee seem to have a long history of being out maneuvered by their eastern counterparts.
Whose resume would be "boosted" ? Do you think the MIAC have a better shot at the western at large bid than the NCHA ?

NUProf
02-16-2010, 09:01 PM
.......curious as to why you think Augsburg's appearence in the ranking is a strategic move by the western committee. The west committee seem to have a long history of being out maneuvered by their eastern counterparts.
Whose resume would be "boosted" ? Do you think the MIAC have a better shot at the western at large bid than the NCHA ?

Hamilne/Gustavus get a boost in the quest for a 6-5 split

Matthew Webb
02-16-2010, 09:50 PM
Hamilne/Gustavus get a boost in the quest for a 6-5 split

In addition, I'm not sure who else you can put in there. Even if one were to believe the NCHA teams are better, Point, Stout, Superior and Eau Claire are all under .500. Marian is a possibility but not likely to get the nod over the NCHA teams, so that leaves Augsburg at 14-8-1. Not too unreasonable, really, be it a de facto selection or not.

Matt Rennell
02-16-2010, 09:56 PM
In addition, I'm not sure who else you can put in there. Even if one were to believe the NCHA teams are better, Point, Stout, Superior and Eau Claire are all under .500. Marian is a possibility but not likely to get the nod over the NCHA teams, so that leaves Augsburg at 14-8-1. Not too unreasonable, really, be it a de facto selection or not.

No, it's not earth-shattering to have Augsburg ranked, but here are two teams which should/could have been ranked above them.


Augsburg vs Marian
WIN 0.6304 0 0.7391 1
OWP 0.4547 1 0.4478 0
OOP 0.5064 1 0.4706 0
H2H 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
COP 4- 3- 0 0 7- 2- 0 1
RNK 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
============================================
PTS 2 2


Augsburg vs St. Thomas
WIN 0.6304 1 0.5200 0
OWP 0.4547 0 0.4844 1
OOP 0.5064 1 0.4983 0
H2H 0- 1- 1 0 1- 0- 1 1
COP 11- 7- 0 1 9- 9- 2 0
RNK 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
============================================
PTS 3 2

Matthew Webb
02-16-2010, 10:04 PM
No, it's not earth-shattering to have Augsburg ranked, but here are two teams which should/could have been ranked above them.


Augsburg vs Marian
WIN 0.6304 0 0.7391 1
OWP 0.4547 1 0.4478 0
OOP 0.5064 1 0.4706 0
H2H 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
COP 4- 3- 0 0 7- 2- 0 1
RNK 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
============================================
PTS 2 2


Augsburg vs St. Thomas
WIN 0.6304 1 0.5200 0
OWP 0.4547 0 0.4844 1
OOP 0.5064 1 0.4983 0
H2H 0- 1- 1 0 1- 0- 1 1
COP 11- 7- 0 1 9- 9- 2 0
RNK 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
============================================
PTS 3 2



Neither of those is clear cut at all, and if you want to put in Marian or UST you bring the other NCHA teams into the mix. Far easier to just go with a 14-8-1 Augsburg.

Matt Rennell
02-16-2010, 10:12 PM
Neither of those is clear cut at all, and if you want to put in Marian or UST you bring the other NCHA teams into the mix. Far easier to just go with a 14-8-1 Augsburg.

Every other NCHA team is below .500, can a sub .500 team even be considered for ranking?

Matthew Webb
02-16-2010, 10:24 PM
Every other NCHA team is below .500, can a sub .500 team even be considered for ranking?

Honestly, I'm not sure. Wouldn't surprise me if they couldn't be, though. Even if that's the case, I don't see too much of an issue with Augsburg.

Aside: As far as Marian goes, it would be odd to see them ranked when an undefeated Adrian couldn't even crack the top seven last year...

Josh Carey
02-17-2010, 02:30 AM
Yeah, not to brag or anything, but the tournament relevant rankings are exactly the list I had in my last projection...

Ozz
02-17-2010, 08:15 AM
Yeah, not to brag or anything, but the tournament relevant rankings are exactly the list I had in my last projection...

Was waiting for that:rolleyes:

NorthernLite
02-17-2010, 09:15 AM
Hamilne/Gustavus get a boost in the quest for a 6-5 split

If these teams meet in the MIAC championship it's very conceivable the loser could score a Pool C bid. However if St. Norbert get upset ......they would surely get the invite over the MIAC loser.

In any case, I think one at large bid is all the west region can realisticly expect. :(

Ozz
02-19-2010, 08:11 AM
Looking at the rankings...I wonder where the committee had Elmira before getting swept last weekend? Or where they would have landed if they had won both games last weekend...

HockeyNightmare
02-19-2010, 08:57 AM
A little odd that Wentworth with an 18-4-1 record could not make the top 15 in the East.

PSUChamps2001
02-19-2010, 09:41 AM
A little odd that Wentworth with an 18-4-1 record could not make the top 15 in the East.

Why is it odd? They have one of the lowest SOS and OWP (41st) and OOP (41st). Who have they beat, let alone who have they played? And then you look at their loses, Becker, Suffolk..and then 2 four goal loses to Curry and Hamilton (who are ranked, but barely). Wentworth might be in the top 20, but its far from being "odd".

HockeyNightmare
02-19-2010, 10:44 AM
Well, Wentworth has the third best record in the East. The team cannot control how well other teams perform. Teams in the East with records like 10-9-2, 12-8-2, and 13-8-3 made the top 15. Just seems more weight should be given to how the team does on the ice.