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joeyc3402
01-20-2010, 04:32 PM
Linked on the sidebar on the USCHO home page:

http://www.uscho.com/news/college-hockey/id,17894/LebanonValley’sRussellResigns.html

Thoughts?

PrezdeJohnson09
01-20-2010, 04:42 PM
Linked on the sidebar on the USCHO home page:

http://www.uscho.com/news/college-hockey/id,17894/LebanonValley’sRussellResigns.html

Thoughts?

Certainly surprising given LVC's improvement this season becoming much more competitive in games and not just getting blown out every night.

I'm sure likes oftentimes in college sports, there is more than meets the eye with this story...

norm1909
01-20-2010, 04:55 PM
Linked on the sidebar on the USCHO home page:

http://www.uscho.com/news/college-hockey/id,17894/LebanonValley’sRussellResigns.html

Thoughts?

Interesting timing of the post, coincidences are weird - I was just reading into this team (http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/ice/).

AGPennypacker
01-20-2010, 05:09 PM
Firing of head coaches seems to be a pretty rare thing in D3. Like Prez said, there may be more to this than what is being said. Of course, it could just be that the team has performed very poorly under his helm.

Generally speaking, I don't think the pressure to win is as high in D3 hockey as it is at the D1 level. That may be why some programs have been consistently sub-par without any major coaching changes.

Hopefully both sides move on and become better off.

Pioneers#1
01-20-2010, 05:50 PM
I just simply think that theirs no talent on the team.Coaching can't always solve that problem.

collegehcky2
01-20-2010, 06:01 PM
I just simply think that theirs no talent on the team.Coaching can't always solve that problem.

This.

Talent attracts talent. The program has to start getting some guys from established teams/leagues. Some of these kids came from Junior B or crappy Junior A teams. A lot of school's club teams get better recruits.

nefan
01-20-2010, 06:20 PM
This.

Talent attracts talent. The program has to start getting some guys from established teams/leagues. Some of these kids came from Junior B or crappy Junior A teams. A lot of school's club teams get better recruits.

Bring back MacCormick, he will bring in quality players!!

norm1909
01-20-2010, 06:33 PM
I guess it's back to the drawing board (http://www.uscho.com/news/college-hockey/id,13319/MacCormackStepsDownatLebanonValley#ixzz0dCbj3OOV). ...



“The athletic department is going to head in a different direction now,” said Hutton. “Playing in the ECAC West, there has got to be a commitment and dedication to recruiting. The guys we have now need to be focused on the second half of the season to see if we can get some wins. There needs to be a renewed sense of commitment to working a little harder and holding each other accountable for their actions. From the head coach down to the equipment manager, we have a lot to prove right now.”

Lebanon Valley Flying Dutchmen Men's Hockey: Year-By-Year (http://www.uscho.com/stats/teamYxY.php/lebanon-valley-flying-dutchmen/mens-college-hockey/team,lv/gender,m.html)

CardsFan91
01-20-2010, 07:05 PM
I just simply think that theirs no talent on the team.Coaching can't always solve that problem.

100% Agree! I was just thinking that. Who (other than an upstart coach) would want to take the Lebanon Valley job? That just spells disaster.

one_to7
01-20-2010, 07:36 PM
You don't need to be on a winning team to be able to recruit.

Sure, it helps. But look at teams like Neumann, manhattanville, umass-Boston, scholastica, stout, or any number of teams that have gone from losing seasons to winning records.

You need institutional support, active and creative recruiting, as well as the ability to work talent into a system. Easier said than done, but it is possible and has been done before. A lot of the perpetually successful teams have continued success because of these reasons, not simply because they won in the past.

bakdraft21
01-20-2010, 07:44 PM
You don't need to be on a winning team to be able to recruit.

Sure, it helps. But look at teams like Neumann, manhattanville, umass-Boston, scholastica, stout, or any number of teams that have gone from losing seasons to winning records.

You need institutional support, active and creative recruiting, as well as the ability to work talent into a system. Easier said than done, but it is possible and has been done before. A lot of the perpetually successful teams have continued success because of these reasons, not simply because they won in the past.
Totally agree, but man they have players from all over the place, seems like there was some serious recruiting done, but perhaps not that good a job of it....good luck to the next guy......

PrezdeJohnson09
01-20-2010, 09:07 PM
Toss-Up:

What's a worse coaching job?

Lebanon Valley College men's hockey coach or Buffalo Bills head coach?:eek:

pinch
01-20-2010, 11:16 PM
The range of recruits/ current players makes me believe little was done to scout or court players...a coach with some ties to an area or league should be able to make an immmediate improvement

Russell Jaslow
01-21-2010, 07:15 AM
Certainly surprising given LVC's improvement this season becoming much more competitive in games and not just getting blown out every night.

I'm sure likes oftentimes in college sports, there is more than meets the eye with this story...

I'm wondering whether LVC has decided to drop hockey. :(

bayliner2555
01-21-2010, 07:23 AM
100% Agree! I was just thinking that. Who (other than an upstart coach) would want to take the Lebanon Valley job? That just spells disaster.

They can't have Fogarty. ;)

Ozz
01-21-2010, 08:41 AM
Toss-Up:

What's a worse coaching job?

Lebanon Valley College men's hockey coach or Buffalo Bills head coach?:eek:

Would Chan Gailey be a better fit as the LVC head coach or the Buffalo Bills head coach?:D

norm1909
01-21-2010, 09:04 AM
100% Agree! I was just thinking that. Who (other than an upstart coach) would want to take the Lebanon Valley job? That just spells disaster.

Some would say Beaney (http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?t=83356), others Ed Gosek (http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?t=66395), maybe this guy (http://www.monarchshockey.com/moreinfo.php?id=134) would like a fresh start (at least he could inspire the players (http://www.uscho.com/news/college-hockey/id,6846/MorrisClarksonMoveOn.html)).

pierre maguire
01-21-2010, 09:13 AM
The writting is on the wall here guys....RIP LVC hockey. A sad day for the Ecac West and Division III college hockey altogether. Expect an announcement at seasons end that LVC is folding their hockey program.

jconnor
01-21-2010, 09:16 AM
Toss-Up:

What's a worse coaching job?

Lebanon Valley College men's hockey coach or Buffalo Bills head coach?:eek:

There you go, another trick question:eek:

norm1909
01-21-2010, 09:35 AM
What the locals have to say: And, frankly, there is only one way the Flying Dutchmen can go. (http://www.ldnews.com/news/ci_14233773)

and this sad note (http://www.lvc.edu/News/index.aspx?newsid=1979981d-d07e-4c9e-93bc-c7d9ba9c582b&HeadLine=LVC%20Mourns%20the%20Passing%20of%20Walt% 20Smith%20'61,%20Who%20Served%20the%20College%20fo r%20Over%2050%20Years%20as%20a%20Student,%20Parent ,%20Administrator%20&%20Friend) from last month.