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Freddie
01-18-2010, 10:53 PM
The site selection process for the 2010 BFB/F4 will begin this weekend, when the tournament committee meets via telephone conference call. The committee will entertain all bids submitted to this board in a timely fashion, but reserves the right change their minds, and accept bids as late as they arrive.

Four suitably hideous sites will be chosen to host this year's regionals (March 26-28), and one particularly hideous venue will be blessed with the opportunity to host the "Futile Four" chumpionship weekend (April 2-4).

The only specific requirements to host are:

1. Ice. Altho we would prefer the quality of ice surface to be inferior, we may consider locations with decent ice, if other criteria are met.
2. Must be indoor, or at least under roof. Several have suggested outdoor locations, but we feel that 'outdoor hockey' events have become too 'chic', and are therefore inappropriate for an event of this calibre.
3. No site that is home to any existing NCAA D1 or D3 team is eligible, nor are the practice rinks of any current NCAA team.
4. While no 'carved in stone' standards exist, the committee has usually shown preference to sites that are inconvenient for travel, and are located in areas with little or nothing else to attract visitors.
5. Special consideration is normally afforded to venues that: are in poor repair, have limited (or no) seating, have inadequate locker room and team facilities, are either uncomfortably warm or cold...especially if the building has unpleasant smells.
6. Pictures of the venue or a link where pix can be found would be appreciated.

The site selection committee would like to let all bidders know that we are men of low moral character, and as such are perfectly willing to consider any form of bribery, kickback, bonus, premium or payola, provided that it come in the form of: cash or sexual favors.

Please do NOT use this thread to make a case why this team or that should or should not be included in the tournament field. There will be plenty of time to argue about that later.

Federal League
01-18-2010, 10:57 PM
My favorite time of year. I'll do my best to help find some atrocious venues.

FadeToBlack&Gold
01-19-2010, 12:33 AM
It's too bad that Tech has a viable shot of winning this tournament this year, because I would be more than happy to suggest George Gipp Arena (http://www.cchockeyhistory.org/CLKimages/BiCent_s.jpg) in Laurium, MI for a Midwest regional.

Unfortunately, the ease of travel for the Huskies and likelihood that some Tech fans would actually show up to watch their team fail at hockey pretty much rule this one out unless Tech finds a way to pull a 9th place conference finish out of their a55es, thereby avoiding the Bottomfeeder Tourney. I wouldn't bet one cent on that outcome, so perhaps George Gipp Arena could simply be filed for future consideration.

Twitch Boy
01-19-2010, 12:56 AM
Negotiations to bring in tSBFitW as the official house band of the Futile Four broke down when the booking company brazenly ignored our 574 pages of riders. We don't care what UPS says, we're a no-show unless we get that donkey, tanker truck of tequila and crate full of venomous cobras. And I hate to be the bearer of further bad news, but the bones kinda pulled an Axl Rose on the entire third floor of the official hotel when they found out. Looks like the B2 Networks production team will just have to ignore the stench of goat's blood and make do with busted TVs for the weekend.

Anyway, in lieu of a pep band, please enjoy this tape of early 90's dance music.

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FlagDUDE08
01-19-2010, 06:16 AM
LOL

I have 2 possible suggestions for regional sites:

1: St. Lawrence Centre. In the middle of a mall. Hey, there's people playing hock- OOOH, HOT TOPIC! *goes there instead* Oh wait, I don't think there even IS a hot topic there, you'd have to go all the way to Syracuse. Plus, any chance on getting a casino about 20 minutes away to open up betting on this? :D

2: Lake Placid. Fabulous Herb Brooks Arena standing there, but alas, the regional is played in the '32 rink.

BTW, would putting a tarp over an outdoor rink count? :P

GoDanGo
01-19-2010, 07:05 AM
I nominate Atlantic City, NJ.

Ralph Baer
01-19-2010, 07:08 AM
I nominate Atlantic City, NJ.

seconded. :)

FlagDUDE08
01-19-2010, 07:13 AM
I nominate Atlantic City, NJ.

*Sean Connery* Well done, laddy. */Sean Connery*

Federal League
01-19-2010, 08:16 AM
For the Northeast regional, I'll nominate Hockey Town USA in Saugus, MA. This place is on the verge of collapsing, always smells funny, is always freezing, has a seating capacity of about 12, and has boards and glass that are in horrible shape- they actually lean away from the ice in some spots. No lie- I once played a game where they just used a piece of wood to replace a broken pane of glass. Also, if you started every game at 9 am or 5:30 pm, you'd guarantee that anyone who actually did want to go would have to sit in Boston rush hour traffic to get there. The only downside to choosing Hockey Town USA is that there is plenty of civilization around. It's right on Route 1, and there's a lot of good restaurants and shopping areas near it.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__VZY6SRZ7pE/SuTZDwgOIsI/AAAAAAAAAyk/P_vL0wkKEec/s320/hockeytown.jpg

http://www.thelightedge.com/img/showcase/ice_arenas/ice2l.jpg

Edit: Forgot to mention that, as you can see in that 2nd pic, there actually isn't any glass on one side of the rink. There's just a big wall with a line on it that's supposed to represent where the glass would end. I feel that any little thing like this that leaves room for human error on the refs' part and changes the way the game is played would be good for the BFB/FF.

Also, there's no way an entire college team would fit on the tiny benches at this place. Even youth hockey teams with 3 lines and 2 d-pairings have to have some players stand up behind the bench.

BUT09
01-19-2010, 09:25 AM
For the Northeast regional, I'll nominate Hockey Town USA in Saugus, MA.
Also, there's no way an entire college team would fit on the tiny benches at this place. Even youth hockey teams with 3 lines and 2 d-pairings have to have some players stand up behind the bench.

I second this. It's also the worst ice on the face of the planet. The player's skates will be dull by halfway through the first period. And it's not even painted white underneath the ice- it's just circles painted on raw concrete.

Not to mention the hazard of the wiffle balls that fly at you out of the sky from the wiffle ball area above...

Oh, and there are holes under the boards near the zamboni entrance where many a stick can get caught and snap. Once in a game I played there the puck flew into the corner and disappeared into a hole.

Freddie
01-19-2010, 11:41 AM
It's too bad that Tech has a viable shot of winning this tournament this year, because I would be more than happy to suggest George Gipp Arena (http://www.cchockeyhistory.org/CLKimages/BiCent_s.jpg) in Laurium, MI for a Midwest regional.

Unfortunately, the ease of travel for the Huskies and likelihood that some Tech fans would actually show up to watch their team fail at hockey pretty much rule this one out unless Tech finds a way to pull a 9th place conference finish out of their a55es, thereby avoiding the Bottomfeeder Tourney. I wouldn't bet one cent on that outcome, so perhaps George Gipp Arena could simply be filed for future consideration.

The committee would be interested in more details about George Gipp Arena. Specifically, do the interior amenities live down to the expectations created by the gnarly exterior shot provided? Don't be discouraged by your proximity to Tech! Remember the regional seeding would (most likely) send the Huskies (assuming their nearly inevitable qualification) to some other distant regional...thereby making your concern about attendance moot. From what we can see, this looks exactly like what we're looking for...a positive dump in the middle of nowhere.

Painted_Bandit
01-19-2010, 11:49 AM
The committee would be interested in more details about George Gipp Arena. Specifically, do the interior amenities live down to the expectations created by the gnarly exterior shot provided? Don't be discouraged by your proximity to Tech! Remember the regional seeding would (most likely) send the Huskies (assuming their nearly inevitable qualification) to some other distant regional...thereby making your concern about attendance moot. From what we can see, this looks exactly like what we're looking for...a positive dump in the middle of nowhere.

Having actually watched hockey in the Gipp I can second that it would be a definite candidate for a regional. For starters, the rink isn't any specific size, a lot smaller than NHL size ice. There are no seats for any spectators to sit, just benches to stand on to see over the boards. Also the glass goes about 2 feet up above the boards, injury to fans is a high possibility. Second both benches are tiny and there is only one door to the penalty box. Locker rooms are not near the ice and the ice plant is exposed on the ends. Like F2B&G said the possible problem is people actually showing up for the games. The Gipp is in a hockey crazy town with nothing to do, plus it's also about 2 blocks from another posters house.

SlyFoxMan7
01-19-2010, 11:55 AM
Here's a possible venue:

http://205.158.108.67/stuff/backyard%20hockey%20rink.jpg

InebriatedMike
01-19-2010, 11:58 AM
Here's a possible venue:

http://205.158.108.67/stuff/backyard%20hockey%20rink.jpg

That is actually flippin cool!

Painted_Bandit
01-19-2010, 11:58 AM
Here's a possible venue:

http://205.158.108.67/stuff/backyard%20hockey%20rink.jpg

I believe one of the criteria was no outdoor rinks, plus that thing looks too nice to host a tournament of this caliber

Freddie
01-19-2010, 12:06 PM
I nominate Atlantic City, NJ.

Do you have a specific venue in mind? I'm afraid it would have to be the 'mother of all dumps' to make up the the obvious disadvantages Atlantic City would have to overcome....

1. AC, with all it's entertainment and other 'diversions' is a reasonably popular travel destination.
2. AC International Airport is awfully convenient, and boasts direct service to several hockey hotbeds, including Boston and Toronto, plus connecting service to fifty other locations. http://www.sjta.com/acairport/routes.asp

Perhaps you could enhance the attractiveness of your bid by arranging to have road construction tie up all possible routes from the airport to the rink, or by guaranteeing that there would be major structural or mechanical problems (say a hefty backup of the sanitary sewer, or major roof leaks)

BUT09
01-19-2010, 12:20 PM
This is an image of people playing bike polo at Hockeytown. To further emphasize how it is completely unsuitable for hockey. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3100/3198324179_555962e682.jpg

Also, their website: http://www.hockeytownsaugus.com/

Ralph Baer
01-19-2010, 12:22 PM
Do you have a specific venue in mind? I'm afraid it would have to be the 'mother of all dumps' to make up the the obvious disadvantages Atlantic City would have to overcome....

1. AC, with all it's entertainment and other 'diversions' is a reasonably popular travel destination.
2. AC International Airport is awfully convenient, and boasts direct service to several hockey hotbeds, including Boston and Toronto, plus connecting service to fifty other locations. http://www.sjta.com/acairport/routes.asp

Perhaps you could enhance the attractiveness of your bid by arranging to have road construction tie up all possible routes from the airport to the rink, or by guaranteeing that there would be major structural or mechanical problems (say a hefty backup of the sanitary sewer, or major roof leaks)

I assume that it was meant as a joke since the ECAC is moving their tourney to AC in 2011, and there is some opposition to the move and the venue.

FadeToBlack&Gold
01-19-2010, 01:18 PM
Like F2B&G said the possible problem is people actually showing up for the games. The Gipp is in a hockey crazy town with nothing to do, plus it's also about 2 blocks from another posters house.

I see two possible ways to circumvent the attendance concerns. Either play the games at horribly inconvenient times, or play them so that they coincide with some far more entertaining game at the nearby Calumet Colosseum (http://www.cchockeyhistory.org/CLKimages/CalArmory_s.jpg), a facility far too historic and prestigious to host such events. ;)

kdiff77
01-19-2010, 05:23 PM
For the Northeast Regional, I would like to nominate Adelard Arena in Woonsocket, RI. It's actually an old airplane hanger, and was bought for $1 some decades ago. The coach is so old school, he refuses to replace the old 4 foot high chicken wire fences with standard height glass (kidding aside, he's actually a Rhode Island legend- Bill Belisle. Others from New England may have heard of him). The locker rooms are cramped, damp, dank, dirty, musty, moldy, and dim. The rink is always FREEZING, even in the middle of the summer. I do not believe that the ice surface is even close to regulation size. The seats and stands are falling apart- they are old and wooden and there are only about 10 rows of them on each side of the rink. The lobby is bigger than the actual playing area, including locker rooms and stands (this is only a slight exaggeration). It is impossible to get to, as Woonsocket is way out of everyone's way, only accessible by back roads and smaller, worn-down highways, and the roads leading to the rink are perilously steep and, I assume, must wreak havoc on even the most winterized vehicles in the middle of the winter. There is, unfortunately, a Press Box, but that is mostly dedicated to the announcer- there is no wiring to connect the PA to the box adjacent to the penalty boxes. The only thing good about the place is the history and tradition (which would be moot for a college tournament, unless Brown is in it - please God, no!!!!! - because Coach Whittet went to Mount) , as well as Mount's 27 consecutive State Championship banners that hang on the wall, and 35 or so overall.

Oh, and the home locker rooms aren't horrible. Just the away teams'. Surprised?


Here's the only picture I can find, and it's very small. It basically just shows the chicken wire and general dankness of the place.

http://cache.virtualtourist.com/1/198675-A_hockey_game_at_Adelard-Woonsocket.jpg