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kjaskolski
03-29-2010, 08:13 AM
Well, where to begin. After attending the games this weekend, and getting back into Ann Arbor at nearly 2:30 AM (thanks to NC$$ for scheduling the game at 8:05 on a Sunday night and having so many TV Timeouts) this wolverine fan is dissapointed in the result, but not in the effort. Boy, if this team had played like this all year, we maybe dont have to beat a Miami to get the Frozen Four. For the first time since this late season run started, Michigan did not get the breaks, did not get the "puck luck" that Red always talks about.

I posted last weekend that no matter if they totally flamed out against Bemidji, or "lost a heart-breaker" to Miami, that is was all gravy. What a ride this team gave us, it is a shame to lose it like that. Again, a quick whistle plays into the result, but you know what, they had PLENTY of additional opportunities to win it (cross bar, and a couple of other near misses). Knapp just did what he had to do, and made Blasi look like a genius by playing him over Reichard.

I hope nobody on the team feels too bad, yes it hurts, but this was a hell of a run, one that this longtime fan will remember for a long time. Unfortunatley it will eventually fall into the pool of near misses and haertbreak in the NCAA tourney.

Things are looking up for the program, pending any offseason defections. Should be an interesting fight for the starting goalie next year.

Go Blue!!

Chris_NH
03-29-2010, 08:19 AM
Sorry to all the Michigan fans that had to experience the waved off goal by Hockey East's own Gravallese due to an early whistle. Those of us in Hockey East can sympathize...

ANY touching of the puck by a Miami player would have resulted in a whistle; there was a delayed penalty on them. People keep harping on whether the puck was covered up or not; that wasn't the issue. It didn't NEED to be covered up for the whistle to blow, only touched by a Miami player (which it obviously was).

wolverine318
03-29-2010, 08:22 AM
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MichFan
03-29-2010, 08:48 AM
ANY touching of the puck by a Miami player would have resulted in a whistle; there was a delayed penalty on them. People keep harping on whether the puck was covered up or not; that wasn't the issue. It didn't NEED to be covered up for the whistle to blow, only touched by a Miami player (which it obviously was).

Not true. Touching it isn't enough. See the quote of the rules in this thread:

http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?p=4728342

streaker
03-29-2010, 08:58 AM
ANY touching of the puck by a Miami player would have resulted in a whistle; there was a delayed penalty on them. People keep harping on whether the puck was covered up or not; that wasn't the issue. It didn't NEED to be covered up for the whistle to blow, only touched by a Miami player (which it obviously was).

No, not just touched- under control. That is the rule. The official couldn't see it anyway, he had his right arm in the air and the other one holding his throat, while he was twenty feet away in the corner. He lost sight of the puck and blew it dead, a gross mis-judgment considering how the same official allowed play to continue earlier for Miami to basically bang a puck under Hunwick who held it under his pad. At least he was in the proper position that time. Makes me wonder what the other official was doing, and why there are four of them out there.

The puck ricocheted off of Knapp, and no other Miami player controlled it until Lynch put it in.

Calling of Penalties
SECTION 9. a. If an infraction of the rules is committed by a player of the
side in possession of the puck, the appropriate on-ice official shall blow
the whistle immediately and a referee shall assess the penalties.

Furthermore:

If, after the referee has signaled a penalty (but before the whistle has been
blown), the puck enters the goal of the non-offending team as the direct
result of the action of a player of that team, the goal shall be allowed and
the penalty signaled shall be assessed.
c. The appropriate on-ice official shall use a “delayed whistle” when a
foul is committed against the team in possession of the puck, thereby
HR-50 RULE 4 / PENALTIES
postponing the stoppage of play until the offending team shall have
possession and control of the puck.
The last player to control the puck, other than the goalkeeper, is the
last player to be deemed in possession of the puck. Control of the puck is
defined as the act of propelling the puck with the stick, hand or skate.
Possession and control is not a rebound off the goalkeeper, an opposing
player, the goal or the boards or any incidental contact with the body or
equipment of an opposing player. Batting the puck with the hand or kicking
the puck is considered to be controlling the puck. Touching the puck (e.g.,
poke check or deflection) is not considered control of the puck.

Michigan had enough chances to win this game, and Knapp was the difference, except on this play which should have ended the game. Tough loss when you take the #1 team to overtime, pretty well play them even and get screwed like this.

alfablue
03-29-2010, 09:00 AM
Not true. Touching it isn't enough. See the quote of the rules in this thread:

http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?p=4728342

He did have possession- Lynch dug it out from beneath him. Think about if that had been a stick from a D guy that he had to fight it for. Same thing.

I know it sucks, but the puck was cleanly beneath the goalie, and he had it.

It's one of those things that if there wasn't a penalty, then we'd have a lot more to complain about.

alfablue
03-29-2010, 09:01 AM
The puck ricocheted off of Knapp, and no other Miami player controlled it until Lynch put it in.


I wish it were otherwise, but the play I saw, Lynch had to dig it out- it wasn't coming out from the goalie on it's own. Like I said just above, if he had to compete for the puck with a guy and a stick, they would have wistled it, too.

KC8NIY
03-29-2010, 09:12 AM
I wish it were otherwise, but the play I saw, Lynch had to dig it out- it wasn't coming out from the goalie on it's own. Like I said just above, if he had to compete for the puck with a guy and a stick, they would have wistled it, too.

I'd have to watch the replay again because, thank god, the play isn't etched in my memory. From what I recall, the puck was loose between Knapp's leg pads on the ice, and he was still rotating. That's not a frozen puck. That's similar to trying to dig a puck from between a guys skates... no possession.

Regardless, it's no matter now. We gave Miami everything we had, and came up just short. Still an impressive run, and one which every member of that team should be **** proud of. I know I am.

MichFan
03-29-2010, 09:15 AM
I wish it were otherwise, but the play I saw, Lynch had to dig it out- it wasn't coming out from the goalie on it's own. Like I said just above, if he had to compete for the puck with a guy and a stick, they would have wistled it, too.

Except that the rule says that possession by the goalie doesn't count for the delayed penalty. "The last player to control the puck, other than the goalkeeper, is the last player to be deemed in possession of the puck."

And as for freezing the puck, didn't Hunwick have the puck under his pads before Miami's second and they dislodged it?

I still think that the officials blew it.

skeptic
03-29-2010, 09:16 AM
There are those of us here in Badgerland who feel the stars are aligning for us this year. With the exit of this talented Michigan club, a club that probably served as the greatest threat to Bucky's chances of winning the title, I would think that fellow Wisconsin fans are breathing a bit easier in part because Michigan is a team that is very close to being a mirror image of our own. With that said, congrats on a nice run, and we will see you next year.

alfablue
03-29-2010, 09:19 AM
I'd have to watch the replay again because, thank god, the play isn't etched in my memory. From what I recall, the puck was loose between Knapp's leg pads on the ice, and he was still rotating. That's not a frozen puck. That's similar to trying to dig a puck from between a guys skates... no possession.


I don't think Knapp having partial possestion in his legs is like a normal player and skates- but even then, if the player even partially controls the puck with his skates- they will blow the whistle.

They showed it SO many time to see if the whistle lined up with the goal, so we got to see him dig at it. JUST like how Miami scored the second goal- too bad we didn't have a penalty lined up for that, eh?



Regardless, it's no matter now. We gave Miami everything we had, and came up just short. Still an impressive run, and one which every member of that team should be **** proud of. I know I am.

And that's the important part now...

alfablue
03-29-2010, 09:21 AM
Except that the rule says that possession by the goalie doesn't count for the delayed penalty. "The last player to control the puck, other than the goalkeeper, is the last player to be deemed in possession of the puck."

And as for freezing the puck, didn't Hunwick have the puck under his pads before Miami's second and they dislodged it?

I still think that the officials blew it.

Well, if you really want to feel jobbed, ok. They blew it. Nothing we can do about it now. (and I agree about Miami's second goal- super slow whistle, when he clearly had the puck under his pads)

Except be happy that our team turned it around so much that we got to this point at all.

KC8NIY
03-29-2010, 09:43 AM
I don't think Knapp having partial possestion in his legs is like a normal player and skates- but even then, if the player even partially controls the puck with his skates- they will blow the whistle.

They showed it SO many time to see if the whistle lined up with the goal, so we got to see him dig at it. JUST like how Miami scored the second goal- too bad we didn't have a penalty lined up for that, eh?

And that's the important part now...

Honestly, I think it's a moot point anyway. Once he lost sight of the puck, the play was over. I don't agree with the call, but it was the correct call based upon what the ref was seeing. Had he been in the other corner, or on top of the friggin net like Cannone's second goal, it may have been different.

schmaukus
03-29-2010, 10:48 AM
I too was upset about Miami's second goal, which in hindsight was a worse call than the OT call. After looking back on it though, if Wohlberg buries one of his breakaways, or we don't play the whole game (heck, the whole tournament) shorthanded, we're watching Michigan in Detroit in 2 weeks.

Still a tremendous effort of the boys in blue. Thanks for a great tourney run and see you next year.

MoFan
03-29-2010, 10:53 AM
I thought that was an outstanding game by both teams. Both teams were alternately on the ropes and just hanging by a thread. After the last 15 minutes of the 3rd period, I was really proud of the way that Michigan got their legs back and started skating again. They played with a lot of passion and did everything they could.

Lots of talk about the OT goal that wasn't. Did anyone else think that Hunwick had the puck under control under his pad on the second Miami goal? I thought that maybe that might have been a case of a slow whistle there.

EDIT - I see the other posts now on this topic.......

But no sour grapes, really. I wish Miami luck next week, after what they went through last year I hope they can pull it together for a championship in Detroit.

Thanks to the team and coaches and especially the seniors for a great season and year-end run.

wolverineTrumpet
03-29-2010, 11:34 AM
I am exhausted, I have no voice, I'll have to put up with Miami fans in 2 weeks, and yet I'm still beyond happy at the way Michigan played this past month.

Thank you for the rollercoaster. Thank you for making the end of the season thrilling. Thanks for playing the hockey you showed you were capable of all year, it just wasn't consistent. My 4 helpings of dessert were delicious.

Great end to the season and great effort. I've never been this proud of a team after a season ending loss.


As for officiating, I acknowledge that it's part of hockey, as are lucky bounces. Does anyone know if HE has any speed teams? The officials looked like they couldn't keep up with the pace of play (Bemidji game and Miami game). I even had one person comment to me that she saw a linesman sucking wind before a faceoff. He was exhausted. I think some of that lack of speed resulted in being out of position and making some bad calls. There were a few times where Michigan played great defense got in front of someone and to the puck, then gets called for a penalty. Ugh.

wolverineTrumpet
03-29-2010, 11:36 AM
One question for you rule-book aficionados:

What's with not switching ends for overtime? Michigan had the long change for all but the 2nd period.

kjaskolski
03-29-2010, 11:43 AM
One question for you rule-book aficionados:

What's with not switching ends for overtime? Michigan had the long change for all but the 2nd period.

Unlike the NHL, the teams do not swap ends in OT. And because of the configurations of the benches, Michigan did have the long D zone change for the 3rd and OT's. However, we also had a short O Zone change. Needless to say, that did not influence the outcome, we didn't lose due to a bad change.

KC8NIY
03-29-2010, 12:51 PM
There's a tremendous amount to be proud of with this team. They were down and out 5 weeks ago. For whatever reason, a reason that no longer matters, they just weren't able to put the pieces together as a team from November through February. It was more frustrating to the players and coaching staff than it was to any of us as spectators.

Then that fleeting moment happened. The one where Hogan went down, and a collective gasp and "Oh no" was let out by many. What was largely a disappointing season had taken another turn for the worse. Our starting goaltender was hurt, and in an instant, thoughts of this being the end of the road were seemingly solidified.

But then. Then the team didn't panic. Then they played defense like their lives depended on it. Then they focused on defense first, and would have to rely on offense created from that defense. Then the puck went in the net.

Emerging from that game, one which could have gone oh so wrong, Shawn Hunwick had a shutout, the team was victorious, and a feel good moment was at hand. Everyone expected the opposite a mere hour and a half before. Everyone but the team, that is.

In that moment, the one where Hogan was down in pain, a new team was born. One which knew that they could no longer play the same style they had previously. One which, in a moment, knew their responsibilities individually carried much more weight. One which had to perform those responsibilities as a collective unit. They had done it before. They knew they could. They just couldn't find the consistency that the best teams have.

Confidence wasn't bread that night. That's something that stemmed from the effort. The consistent team effort. But that's where it started. Seeing their practice goalie, the "target", succeed. The one who always showed up and never complained. The one who was just happy to be part of the team. He had his chance, and they couldn't let him down.

The team won. They stumbled a little in Hunwick's first start. The one where we all said, "okay, this is the reality, not the exception". But then they won again. Then Hunwick had his second shutout, and we left Yost for the year with some more feel good moments. It felt good to end the home season on a win. A playoff series win, and the shutout to boot.

A daunting task ahead at Munn? Surely. Were there expectations to win? Well, I think the most optimistic were hoping for one win, to avoid a series sweep. And we all would have been okay with that. Maybe not happy, as we hadn't been happy with much that happened all season. But one win would have been nice, just to know that we can in fact win at Munn more than the recent record states, and with the season on the line.

Who would've thought that we were in for such a treat? A 5-1 victory on Friday night?! Really?! Not only was it a 5-1 victory, but it was a resounding statement that this team would not go lightly. Michigan would fight until it could not fight any more. Backed by a solid group of dedicated fans who turned Munn Ice Arena into Yost West, they got it done.

Admittedly, I purchased tickets earlier in the week for Saturday night, hoping beyond all hope that it would be a chance to see one last win, but more than likely I would be going to support them in their last outing for the season. I didn't want to witness a season ending loss, but I wanted to be there regardless. In my mind, our best chance to win would have been Friday, but would have ultimately been followed up with a Spartan performance that tabled our chances for Saturday evening. After all, we were going to their barn where we hadn't much success recently, and they were the number 2 team.

Yet again, Michigan found a way to deliver. They showed patience. They could have panicked after three quick goals against, but instead they regrouped and came back determined. Ultimately, that patience and determination garnered Michigan's first back-to-back victories in East Lansing since 1975, and it's first in the same weekend. The best word to describe it: amazing. We're fans. We're not part of the team. But there were plenty of us in attendance who were in no hurry to leave that night. What we had witnessed was phenomenal, and we wanted to soak up every moment.

Michigan had proven itself. Those two wins were the exclamation that this was a team. This is a team. Whatever had happened prior to March no longer mattered. They were a force to be reckoned with, and watch out if you thought otherwise.

Of course, I still had no hope that we would prevail in Detroit. Maybe hope is the wrong word? I had no expectation. After all, we typically expect great things. I had hope, where previously there was little, but I was perfectly content to have these victories at Munn be the last dance. We were now staring down the best team in the CCHA, and arguably the best team in the country.

Miami had beaten us twice at Yost. The sweep that lead to the November tailspin. We were a different team then. But the fact remained that this was a huge task, and one which few had expectations of a win. Few? Maybe none. Well, except those in the locker room. The fire to emerge and play for a championship was burning. But could the recently solid play continue? Consistency was elusive all year, so would the other shoe finally drop on this run?

In short, no. Michigan again played one of it's best games of the year. Solid defensively, gave Miami no space, and the offense was still on fire. This collective team effort was still firing on all cylinders, and Miami was shot down in flames. Hell, Cody Reichard got chased for the first time all year. Little Shawn Hunwick had a performance that even the best Division I goaltenders could be a little envious of.

Northern would prove to be a very formidable foe, but not one that could quash the momentum of a team playing for it's life. Hunwick again played with sheer confidence, and kept his team in a game that it could have otherwise lost. And for that, he was awarded the CCHA tournament's Most Valuable Player award. Shawn Hunwick? Michigan? Yep. Who would've thought?

And so it was... Michigan hangs another banner from the rafters of Yost. The streak now stands at 20 years and counting. The team that stifled some of the enjoyment a lot of us fans seem entitled to, myself included, rose above what had become of their season, and wrote a new chapter. CCHA playoff champions, from a seventh place regular season finish. Another feat that had not happened before.

Fort Wayne bound, there was now plenty of reason to believe in the unlikely. A return to the Frozen Four. Everyone knew Bemidji would be no slouch, and Miami was eager for revenge. Not only revenge on us, but to avenge their championship loss to BU last year.

Bemidji was no cakewalk, as no team in this time of year (hello RIT). But they weren't sneaking up on anyone, and Red's week of preparation was seemingly dedicated to that game. Penalties were questionable at times, but again the team found a way to play through it. The penalty kill was awesome, and yet again, the timely scoring that was missing for most of the year had found its way. The team got the job done on both sides of the ice.

So the rematch was on. Miami determined to make a repeat appearance in the Frozen Four, and Michigan still determined to ensure their season ended on the highest of notes as well. This was a game where Miami had obviously taken a renewed interest as compared to nine days earlier. They limited Michigan's chances to mainly perimeter shots, and would not let them skate unchecked through the neutral zone. Regardless, Michigan persevered yet again. The determination and grit found it's way, and the season ultimately came down to one shot. The result would have been nice had it gone the other way, which it could have, however there's no reason to hang heads. One bounce just happened to go the wrong way. There's zero shame in playing the game that they did and coming out on the unfortunate end. They played their hearts out, and were nearly rewarded yet again.



In retrospect, looking back at my first post in this thread, I questioned whether this team could deliver on it's goals. Did they have the mental toughness to play with a fortitude that winning teams usually do? Could they overcome the November losses that had seemingly left them questioning themselves as individuals and as a group? The answer is a resounding yes. They gave us more than we ever could have wished for. In doing so, they had loads of fun, and really showed us what greatness is made of. Not just in their play, but in their personality. To a man, every last one of them should be proud of what they have accomplished. I know I am.

What will I remember about this team? Not the losses. Not the ill-timed penalties. Not the lack of consistency. I'll remember this team for who they truly turned out to be: a great bunch of players, and most importantly, a great group of characters. The seniors will be sorely missed, but I look forward to what promises to be an outstanding season next year.

It's great to be a Michigan Wolverine.

alfablue
03-29-2010, 01:10 PM
A very well worded essay.

Must spred rep....

Nicely written.

Hopefully by this weekend, both in our houshold will feel the same.