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  • College Hockey amps up war on Canadian major junior....

    Very interesting article on the hiring of Paul Kelly.

    http://news.therecord.com/Sports/article/633771

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    Re: College Hockey amps up war on Canadian major junior....

    Here is a more interesting one, written in Kevin Dupont's hockey column in this past Sunday's Boston Globe:

    http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/..._of_the_class/

    After reading the two articles, the interesting thing to me is how Canadian hockey seems to have taken institutional steps to prevent kids from playing Junior B and, as a result, keep their options open. Kelly (and I guess the NCAA), on the other hand, look at this as a marketing issue.

    I have to think that the marketing campaign is going to be more about selling American kids who are deciding on Junior A that college is better option rather than heading to Canada to do the same.

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      Re: College Hockey amps up war on Canadian major junior....

      With 111 Americans playing major junior last seaon, compared to 65 a few years ago, you can see why the colleges need to stop the bleeding.


      Granted, half of those MJ americans kids can't probably do college work. They can go and that's fine. And for another quarter of them, Junior may be a better fit for whatever reason. But there are probably a bunch of Yanks in that 111 pool that could have been decent colllege players that chose MJ because they didn't have the proper information when they were 15 years old....

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        Re: College Hockey amps up war on Canadian major junior....

        Originally posted by Puck Swami View Post
        With 111 Americans playing major junior last seaon, compared to 65 a few years ago, you can see why the colleges need to stop the bleeding.


        Granted, half of those MJ americans kids can't probably do college work. They can go and that's fine. And for another quarter of them, Junior may be a better fit for whatever reason. But there are probably a bunch of Yanks in that 111 pool that could have been decent colllege players that chose MJ because they didn't have the proper information when they were 15 years old....
        Agree, but from a UNH perspective I don't think either Keith Yandle or Ryan Bourque were among them.

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        • #5
          Re: College Hockey amps up war on Canadian major junior....

          More from Kevin Dupont (who seems to be attached to both Kelly and Brian Burke) in today's Globe:

          College boosters
          "Paul Kelly officially took office Tuesday as executive director of College Hockey Inc., the new Newton-based venture charged with lifting the profile (and revenue) of NCAA Division 1 hockey. Former Brown defenseman Kevin Lovitt joined Kelly for a press conference at Harvard, and is aboard CHI as Kelly’s righthand man. “I wouldn’t have taken the job if not for Paul, his credibility and integrity,’’ said Lovitt, a Warwick, R.I., native who graduated from Brown in 1981 and worked for Kelly at the NHL Players Association prior to Kelly being dismissed as executive director three months ago. College coaches Jack Parker (Boston University) and Ted Donato (Harvard) were on hand for the news conference. According to Parker, the college game has needed a strong advocate the last 3-4 years to compete against Canadian junior programs in wooing top talent. “Some of the propaganda coming out of those junior programs is unbelievable,’’ said Parker. “And it’s beyond belief what propaganda people will swallow if they think they can get to the NHL.’’ Parker said he tells recruits that he’ll bet the mortgage on his house that they won’t make it to the NHL, which is why they should come to college, play, and get their degrees. “And I’m right 95 percent of the time with that bet,’’ said Parker. “For all the Chris Drurys, Jack O’Callahans, Tony Amontes, and Keith Tkachuks who made it to the NHL, they entered school with a class that had six teammates now doing something else. And it’s worse for junior players; 95-98 percent of those kids don’t make it to the NHL.’’

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            Re: College Hockey amps up war on Canadian major junior....

            Originally posted by Puck Swami View Post
            Very interesting article on the hiring of Paul Kelly.

            http://news.therecord.com/Sports/article/633771
            Amps up the war on Canadian Major Junior hockey you say???

            Sorry Puck Swami but the war is over and it has been lost (by the NCAA). Only a hard core cadre of college coaches refuse to realize it and it is very ironic that it will take an outsider to show them the cold reality of the day.

            Link

            http://news.therecord.com/Sports/article/639069

            U.S college hockey’s new general in the bitter recruiting war with Canadian major junior hockey wants to sit down and talk truce with the Puckmasters of the Universe who are clobbering NCAA division 1 hockey and its 58 teams into irrelevance.

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              Re: College Hockey amps up war on Canadian major junior....

              Originally posted by jnacc View Post
              Amps up the war on Canadian Major Junior hockey you say???

              Sorry Puck Swami but the war is over and it has been lost (by the NCAA). Only a hard core cadre of college coaches refuse to realize it and it is very ironic that it will take an outsider to show them the cold reality of the day.

              Link

              http://news.therecord.com/Sports/article/639069
              In Minnesota the war is not over and lost. Pure and simple the state of hockey wins because Minnesota kids rarely play in the CHL.
              Slap Shot - 444 might want to consider a restraining order.
              dggoddard - Minnesota is THE ELITE Program in all of college hockey.
              wasmania - you have to be the very best to get ice time with the great gophers!

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              • #8
                Re: College Hockey amps up war on Canadian major junior....

                it would be nice to see if this could lead to a growth for college hockey, not just in talent to the teams that already exist, but maybe getting some new schools to get division 1 programs.
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                  Re: College Hockey amps up war on Canadian major junior....

                  Originally posted by yankeefn01 View Post
                  it would be nice to see if this could lead to a growth for college hockey, not just in talent to the teams that already exist, but maybe getting some new schools to get division 1 programs.
                  It would certainly lead to an increase in the available talent pool and that very well may convince certain schools to take a leap of faith.

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                    Re: College Hockey amps up war on Canadian major junior....

                    Originally posted by jnacc View Post
                    The Kitchener Rangers expect to fork out $72,000 in “scholarship” money for current and past players in 2010.

                    Kelly, who slams the OHL for its “unscrupulous” recruiting of kids who have committed to colleges or who are already in class, knows this must change.

                    “There is a troubling statistic,” Kelly said. “The number of U.S. players in major junior, has crept up from about 65 four years ago to a number which is north of 100 today.”

                    The U.S. world junior entry this Christmas will feature 10 major junior players.

                    College hockey is in a shambles. Kelly is new to the sorry scene.

                    He’s learning quickly.

                    He’ll watch as Michigan commit Lucas Lessio skates for the Ontario under-17 team over Christmas in Timmins.

                    He’ll observe as Woodbridge’s Lessio, who is playing Tier 2 for the St. Mike’s Buzzers until he is ready for college, is worked over mentally by the staff and players making up the Ontario squad.

                    The entire team staff is OHL. All but two players are OHL

                    They’ll tell him he’s ruining his career by holding on for college and not reporting to the Oshawa Generals.

                    They’ll get to him, just like they got to Ethan Werek, a former Boston University commit, a few years ago. Werek now plays for the OHL’s Kingston Frontenacs.

                    History will repeat itself. And the colleges will have no power to stop it.

                    “I don’t think that shows respect for the kid,” Kelly said. “I don’t think that shows respect for the game.”

                    This isn’t about respect. It’s about power and control.

                    Kelly is about to find out, he has none.
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                      Re: College Hockey amps up war on Canadian major junior....

                      Kelly is in Colorado Springs today and will be in Denver tomorrow to attend both DU/CC hockey games.
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                      • #12
                        Re: College Hockey amps up war on Canadian major junior....

                        Kelly on the Pipeline Show accusing the MJ teams of paying Americans.

                        "I know that that's happening, it's not supposed to happen but it's happening. Scouts know it's happening, teams know it's happening, players know it's happening, and frankly it's happening primarily with American players. Those elite American players who are being lured to come up over the border, there is certainly benefits being paid which are not being reflected or publicly made available. It's happening, and anybody who doesn't think it's happening has their head in the sand."

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                          Re: College Hockey amps up war on Canadian major junior....

                          Originally posted by Puck Swami View Post
                          Granted, half of those MJ americans kids can't probably do college work.
                          There are a lot of guys at D-1 schools who can't do college work.

                          It is about power and control, but there's also plenty of programming of kids once they reach programs about how much relative effort they should put into academics as opposed to athletics. The NC$$ and the factory schools lecturing anybody on ethics is... humorous.
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                            Re: College Hockey amps up war on Canadian major junior....

                            I actually think this is a potentially a really interesting development because it's a way to maneuver around the stringent NCAA rules.

                            I also find it interesting that it is funded by USA hockey, who in reality, probably shouldn't care whether a kid goes to MJ or college hockey, so long as he can represent the US in international competition and also have the best shot at making the NHL.

                            However, now that there is a way to start to educate kids before the age of 16, the key is to identify the key sources of influence that are able to channel these kids to MJ. Is it parents, advisors, MJ teams and affiliates, etc? If College Hockey Inc is going to be effective, it needs to understand the playing field, and allocate its resources effectively.

                            The way I see it, only good things can come of this for college hockey.

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                              Re: College Hockey amps up war on Canadian major junior....

                              Originally posted by bothman View Post
                              However, now that there is a way to start to educate kids before the age of 16, the key is to identify the key sources of influence that are able to channel these kids to MJ. Is it parents, advisors, MJ teams and affiliates, etc? If College Hockey Inc is going to be effective, it needs to understand the playing field, and allocate its resources effectively.

                              The way I see it, only good things can come of this for college hockey.
                              The kids are already educated about the NCAA and CHL well before the age of 16. Talk to any Bantam AAA coach and he will tell you that all players and parents understand the implications of playing in the CHL in terms of NCAA eligibility. Talk to any elite program's coach and he will readily concede that his star prospects have already been approached by third parties representing the NCAA option (mostly in the form of Junior clubs, scouting services or agents).

                              Young players today are more educated and informed of their options then ever before.

                              Perhaps that is the real problem the NCAA is now facing.

                              What I found interesting is reading between the lines in all this. I really believe that Kelly is out to find a middle ground and try to co-exist in a peaceful manner with the CHL. As he said in his own words, he would like to provide a semblence of order to the minor hockey landscape.

                              He will meet with the CHL commisioner during the WJC in Saskatoon to find this common ground but he must realize that right now the CHL has the upper hand and if he doesn't come armed with some consessions the NCAA is willing to give, he will be disappointed with the talks as Branch has no reason to give anything at all.

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