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pete99race
11-23-2009, 06:51 PM
Anybody catch the six man Royal Rumble (on video) from River Falls this past Sat. nite?
Following SNC's eighth goal, the puck barely hit the ice in the face off circle, before six guys dropped their gloves and went at it.
Must have been almost 50 pounds of equipment on the ice after the Main Event was over.
With the two DQ's in the second period...eight players were DQed in this game.
Record number of DQ's, for me in one college game.
How many have you witnessed??

Derek Dunning
11-23-2009, 07:01 PM
Anybody catch the six man Royal Rumble (on video) from River Falls this past Sat. nite?
Following SNC's eighth goal, the puck barely hit the ice in the face off circle, before six guys dropped their gloves and went at it.
Must have been almost 50 pounds of equipment on the ice after the Main Event was over.
With the two DQ's in the second period...eight players were DQed in this game.
Record number of DQ's, for me in one college game.
How many have you witnessed??

DH002235 should be able to tell you about some epic brawls Elmira has had with teams in the past. He told me about some but I can't remember all the years and who they were against. He's been following the team since the 70's

I think Mercyhurst and Brockport were two of the teams.

I remember one game when I was really young Mercyhurst and Elmira each had six players in the box after a scuffle.

PSUChamps2001
11-23-2009, 07:03 PM
Norwich vs Plattsburgh forget when...years ago...pre game skate....not sure how many got DQ'd...but ever since you started seeing the reffs come out for pre game skate...

Dyce
11-23-2009, 10:25 PM
Well, I wasn't there, so I can't attest to exact DQ numbers (maybe somebody on here was and would like to contribute), but the Plattsburgh-instigated brawl at the end of their quarterfinal series loss to Babson in '88 was bad enough to earn them a swift postseason ban for '89, and has to be considered pretty much the low point for the program's respectability.

Ozz
11-23-2009, 10:31 PM
Is there video of this Royal Rumble?

Russell Jaslow
11-24-2009, 08:23 AM
Potsdam and Brockport a long time ago got into a bench clearing brawl after the final buzzer after overtime ended. I don't know how many DQs there were, but I'm sure there were a ton. The ref ran over to the scorer's table to grab a clipboard and started writing down notes...

Oh, and that game was televised on local Rochester cable. I always wondered if there is a tape available of that somewhere.

Pioneerfan11
11-24-2009, 09:36 AM
I was at this game in Utica's first season:

http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0102/boxes/mneuutc1.f16

By my count that is 11. This began the... let's say dislike... that these two teams have shown for one another in the years since. ;)

spwood
11-24-2009, 02:56 PM
I was at this game in Utica's first season:

http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0102/boxes/mneuutc1.f16

By my count that is 11. This began the... let's say dislike... that these two teams have shown for one another in the years since. ;)

Utica's goalie got tossed, but not Neumann's. If I read that right, all five Neumann skaters were tossed. Four of Utica's skaters and the goalie were tossed and the remaining skater got a two minute minor. That sounds like a fun night at the local rink!

Matthew Webb
11-24-2009, 03:16 PM
In the late 80's or early 90's, Stevens Point and Bemidji State got into it and the game ended with 254 penalty minutes. No idea how many were gamers, but it had to be a pretty hefty amount.

norm1909
11-24-2009, 03:41 PM
The Pearson Correlation Coefficient (http://www.puckprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=349) :p

Also, here is an NCAA game (http://www.collegehockeystats.net/9900/boxes/malhbmj1.f05)with 177 total penalty minutes (lead by Shane Stewart (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=50398) with 31 minutes), and both teams combined had only 9 power play opportunities!

SB in the 'Seo
11-24-2009, 04:24 PM
I was at this game in Utica's first season:

http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0102/boxes/mneuutc1.f16



Maybe this got some run on the boards when it happened, but it was 4 and a half years ago and needs to be rehashed:

First, notice that one of the players in this game (actually had a nice 4 pt game) was named Ron Mexico:

For those who don't know the story behind that name (and if you don't you've been living under a rock):

Excerpt from Michael Vick's wikipedia page:

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In March 2005, Sonya Elliott filed a civil lawsuit against Vick alleging she contracted genital herpes from him in the autumn of 2002 and that he failed to inform her that he had the disease.[26] Elliot further alleged that Vick had visited clinics under the alias "Ron Mexico" to get treatments and thus knew of his condition. On April 24, 2006, Vick's attorney, Lawrence Woodward, revealed that the lawsuit had been settled out of court under undisclosed terms.[27] Many fans bought custom jerseys from NFL.com with Vick's number 7 and the name "MEXICO" on the back. The NFL has since banned customizing jerseys with the name Mexico
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Also note that the NFL banned Harris Smith on custom NYG jerseys because that was the name Plax Burress used when he checked into the hospital after shooting himself. (I'm a Giants fan so I'm going to pull a Webb here and slam my head on my desk a few times and then finish the post.)

So I thought that was pretty interesting, it reminded me of the greatest alias of all-time. Then I did a quick Google search of "Ron Mexico Utica" and found this beauty:

UC player caught in name game

By CRAIG MUDER
Observer-Dispatch UTICA

Ron Mexico has been dragged into the national spotlight. Fortunately for the former Utica College hockey player, none of this is his fault. Unfortunately - because the case involves National Football League star Michael Vick - Mexico himself has become national news. Vick, the Atlanta Falcons' quarterback, is being sued by an alleged former girlfriend who claims he knowingly gave her genital herpes in 2003. The lawsuit, filed in the state court of Gwinnett County, Georgia, and posted on thesmokinggun.com, alleges that Vick has used the name "Ron Mexico" as an alias "for the purposes of herpes testing and/or treatment." Soon after the lawsuit was published, radio stations from across the country began calling the real Ron Mexico in Utica. "They did a `Google' search and Ron Mexico came up playing hockey for Utica College," said Mexico, a senior from Big Rapids, Mich. "Me and my dad are the only Ron Mexicos in the country, I think. "I found out two or three days ago when my buddy from Michigan told me he heard it on the radio. I thought he was just pulling my leg, but I got a call from a Los Angeles radio station yesterday." Mexico has not been served with any legal documents, and has never met Vick. But on the heels of UC's run in the ECAC Playoffs in March, Mexico's brush with Vick has brought even more publicity to the Pioneers' hockey program. "What's been great is on the air they've been introducing him as Utica College hockey player Ron Mexico," said UC coach Gary Heenan. "I had radio stations from Atlanta, L.A. and Detroit calling me to get Ron's number." Mexico, who appeared in 14 games for the Pioneers' this year, is one of 13 seniors who helped turn UC from a brand new program in 2001 to a national power in 2005. And when Mexico graduates this spring, his hockey legacy will long be remembered in Utica. His name, however, is now linked to Michael Vick. "I have no idea how he got it, but I hope this doesn't hurt me," joked Mexico. "You know what my major is? I'm going into hospital administration."

NUProf
11-24-2009, 04:38 PM
The Pearson Correlation Coefficient (http://www.puckprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=349) :p


Correlation does not imply causation. There may be a lurking variable that is a factor which explains both variables. Although the association is slight (a regression line would account for 10% of the variance) it probably is statistically significant.

norm1909
11-24-2009, 10:06 PM
Correlation does not imply causation. There may be a lurking variable that is a factor which explains both variables. Although the association is slight (a regression line would account for 10% of the variance) it probably is statistically significant.

Just trying to make sure you don't get too rusty;)

The author (Richard Pollock) did note:

Granted, this is a weaker correlation by statistical standards, however it is absolutely worth noting. While obvious it may be, there is the possibility that other variables associated with penalty killing, such as face-off winning percentages which I wrote about last week, could be inter-related.

Dyce
11-24-2009, 10:36 PM
Just for kicks, I created a couple of tables similar to those in Norm's article for the 74 DIII programs active at some point over the period covered by Collegehockeystats (02-09 in the case of national statistics). Since the number of games played over that range varies significantly from team to team, I normalized the numbers by using Win% rather than points and PIM/G rather than straight-up PIM. First, team success:

Rank Team Win%
1 Adrian 0.92241
2 St. Norbert 0.83603
3 Middlebury 0.80687
4 Norwich 0.78289
5 Manhattanville 0.75240
6 UMass Dartmouth 0.74424
7 Wis-Superior 0.72436
8 RIT 0.72277
9 Oswego 0.71957
10 Plattsburgh 0.70408
11 Curry 0.69355
12 St. Thomas 0.66816
13 Wis-River Falls 0.66812
14 Bowdoin 0.66256
15 New England 0.65682
16 Wentworth 0.63514
17 Trinity 0.63270
18 St. John's 0.63208
19 Hobart 0.62500
20 Elmira 0.62156
21 Babson 0.61697
22 Colby 0.60553
23 Marian 0.55856
24 Wis-Stout 0.55778
25 Fitchburg State 0.55742
26 Utica 0.55314
27 Fredonia 0.54884
28 Geneseo 0.54608
29 Westfield State 0.54167
30 Milwaukee S. E. 0.53881
31 Amherst 0.53676
32 Gustavus Adolphus 0.53037
33 Wis-Stevens Pt. 0.52941
34 Finlandia 0.52899
35 Salem State 0.52844
36 Williams 0.51010
37 St. Olaf 0.50478
38 Nichols 0.49500
39 Southern Maine 0.49282
40 Bethel 0.47073
41 Augsburg 0.46078
42 Plymouth State 0.45897
43 Hamilton 0.45522
44 MCLA 0.43137
45 St. Scholastica 0.41591
46 Potsdam 0.41355
47 Salve Regina 0.41146
48 Lawrence 0.41136
49 Neumann 0.41063
50 St. Mary's 0.40500
51 Lake Forest 0.40367
52 Johnson & Wales 0.39320
53 Buffalo State 0.38835
54 Cortland 0.38626
55 Conn. College 0.37692
56 Tufts 0.37173
57 Becker 0.37162
58 Wis-Eau Claire 0.36977
59 Suffolk 0.36772
60 Lebanon Valley 0.36650
61 Castleton 0.36577
62 Wesleyan 0.35714
63 Hamline 0.35366
64 Skidmore 0.35122
65 Brockport 0.33251
66 Concordia (MN) 0.28818
67 Western N.E. 0.26720
68 Morrisville 0.26119
69 Worcester State 0.22487
70 UMass Boston 0.21359
71 Framingham State 0.20052
72 Concordia (WI) 0.12037
73 Northland 0.11905
74 Scranton 0.00000

and then the affinity toward penalties for the same teams:


Rank Team Games PIM PIM/G
1 Plattsburgh 245 3072 12.5
2 Middlebury 233 2931 12.6
3 Colby 199 2526 12.7
4 Norwich 228 3305 14.5
5 Conn. College 195 2854 14.6
6 Gustavus Adolphus 214 3138 14.7
7 Wesleyan 189 2779 14.7
8 St. Olaf 209 3100 14.8
9 Bethel 205 3089 15.1
10 Williams 198 3015 15.2
11 St. Thomas 223 3427 15.4
12 Babson 218 3371 15.5
13 UMass Dartmouth 217 3415 15.7
14 Amherst 204 3239 15.9
15 St. John's 212 3383 16.0
16 Wis-River Falls 229 3667 16.0
17 Wis-Stout 225 3614 16.1
18 Bowdoin 203 3275 16.1
19 Skidmore 205 3395 16.6
20 Hobart 216 3626 16.8
21 UMass Boston 206 3463 16.8
22 Tufts 191 3220 16.9
23 Framingham State 192 3244 16.9
24 St. Scholastica 220 3725 16.9
25 MCLA 51 888 17.4
26 Trinity 211 3683 17.5
27 Lake Forest 218 3821 17.5
28 Hamilton 201 3534 17.6
29 Elmira 218 3841 17.6
30 St. Mary's 200 3525 17.6
31 Augsburg 204 3642 17.9
32 Fitchburg State 209 3767 18.0
33 Salem State 211 3807 18.0
34 Fredonia 215 3880 18.0
35 Hamline 205 3742 18.3
36 Oswego 230 4247 18.5
37 Wis-Superior 234 4328 18.5
38 St. Norbert 247 4629 18.7
39 Plymouth State 195 3656 18.7
40 Utica 207 3912 18.9
41 Lawrence 220 4162 18.9
42 Westfield State 24 456 19.0
43 Salve Regina 192 3684 19.2
44 Worcester State 189 3661 19.4
45 Milwaukee S. E. 219 4261 19.5
46 Geneseo 217 4290 19.8
47 Nichols 200 3961 19.8
48 Morrisville 67 1333 19.9
49 Suffolk 189 3761 19.9
50 Wis-Stevens Pt. 221 4439 20.1
51 Brockport 203 4099 20.2
52 Buffalo State 206 4172 20.3
53 Potsdam 214 4366 20.4
54 Marian 222 4540 20.5
55 Wis-Eau Claire 215 4413 20.5
56 Western N.E. 189 3909 20.7
57 Concordia (MN) 203 4237 20.9
58 New England 220 4604 20.9
59 Southern Maine 209 4437 21.2
60 Manhattanville 208 4423 21.3
61 Wentworth 222 4806 21.6
62 Cortland 211 4587 21.7
63 RIT 101 2217 22.0
64 Northland 210 4612 22.0
65 Castleton 149 3277 22.0
66 Finlandia 138 3129 22.7
67 Lebanon Valley 206 4758 23.1
68 Becker 74 1717 23.2
68 Neumann 207 4803 23.2
70 Scranton 3 70 23.3
71 Adrian 58 1466 25.3
72 Johnson & Wales 206 5311 25.8
73 Curry 217 5604 25.8
74 Concordia (WI) 54 1519 28.1


While there are some obvious standouts in terms of low PIM/G and high Win% (Middlebury, Norwich, Plattsburgh), the lists show plenty of aberrations, just as in the NHL article. In fact, the Pearson for the set is slightly lower: right around -0.28, indicative of a correlation between the stats, but by no means a strong one. It's also worth noting that if the data are pruned of their most likely candidates for outliers - say, any team with less than 150 games played over the 8-season span - the coefficient remains very nearly unchanged.

They're interesting data insofar as I think there are a fair number of people out there (myself included) who assumed a stronger correlation based on high-profile examples like the aforementioned Primelink teams. If anything, this bodes well for teams like Adrian who've fallen under scrutiny for their tendency to spend a lot of time in the box.

hockeyfan77
11-25-2009, 09:38 AM
Two of my favorites....Just because my hand hurt for weeks after writing up the game sheets....You know it's been a good one when you need to game sheets...


http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0102/boxes/msomtrn1.n17




http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0405/boxes/mskdsom1.f18

GreatLakerMohawk
11-25-2009, 09:50 AM
Nice to see MCLA well represented on those tables Dyce. :D Coach McGonagle did well to help pad those numbers.

spwood
11-25-2009, 10:07 AM
Two of my favorites....Just because my hand hurt for weeks after writing up the game sheets....You know it's been a good one when you need to game sheets...


http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0102/boxes/msomtrn1.n17



Did I read this boxscore right? Trinity scores and at the same time Southern Maine has a player ejected for "Hitting the Goalie"? Unless he hit his own goalie, wasn't the action at the other end of the ice?

hockeyfan77
11-25-2009, 11:15 AM
Did I read this boxscore right? Trinity scores and at the same time Southern Maine has a player ejected for "Hitting the Goalie"? Unless he hit his own goalie, wasn't the action at the other end of the ice?

My guess would be the time was entered in wrong, maybe 18:37 was when the Trinity netminder got hit....I know it was on the ensuing face-off after the 6th goal...

hockeyfan77
11-25-2009, 11:22 AM
Here is another beauty: it was tame until 7:17 left in the game


http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0102/boxes/mnecsom1.f02

CARDS_rule_the_Burgh
11-25-2009, 11:31 AM
Here is another beauty: it was tame until 7:17 left in the game


http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0102/boxes/mnecsom1.f02

Give 'em all a double-minor (or, in the case of Nathan Isabelle and Nick Warriner, a triple-minor) for multiple counts of roughing, and a 10-minute misconduct, which puts 'em out for the rest of the game.... wouldn't it have been easier (and a little harsher) to give them majros for fighting (since I'm assuming that fghting occured)?