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slurpees
11-21-2009, 04:52 AM
The fact is that NYC doesn't love hockey; they have a small number of dedicated Rangers fans but NYC is a basketball city.

No, always has been and always will be a baseball-first city. They were calling into NYC sports radio stations one day after the Giants won the Super Bowl yelling about Mets/Yankees spring training.

leswp1
11-21-2009, 08:01 AM
I was going to guess they are going to find a way to absorb Alabama-Hunsville by sharing them among the 3 leagues.

joecct
11-21-2009, 09:34 AM
They're going to rotate the league championships between Rochester, Boston, and Atlantic City :eek:

If it was TRULY huge, then the Western Commishs would be in town. Just the 3 eastern guys just does not give weight to the proceedings. Maybe, just maybe, the Eastern leagues are going to go into a joint marketing arrangement. After all, a rising tide floats all boats.

Red Cloud
11-21-2009, 10:37 AM
I love the continued speculation after we already know what the announcement is.

moe24
11-21-2009, 10:47 AM
I love the continued speculation after we already know what the announcement is.

No kidding. We've known for years Hahvahd was going to Hockey Rast and they were kicking out {PROVICED.

The real news here is that the Bruins traded Joe Thornton. :eek:

kdiff77
11-21-2009, 01:31 PM
Actually, the Ivies were part of the ECAC when Penn had a team. The Ivies benefit significantly from the non-Ivies, specifically Clarkson and RPI and regionally Colgate and Quinnipiac. I've been to every ECAC arena except Bright and the visiting non-Ivies generally bring a good percentage of the crowd to Princeton, Brown, Dartmouth and Yale (Yale's crowds seem to vary based on their team's success). They also benefit from the tradition of the programs at Clarkson, SLU, Colgate, and RPI.

The non-Ivies benefit from the Ivies as well, mainly with name recognition. Basically, the ECAC mix of both Ivies and non-Ivies is a good thing for all parties involved. Columbia will never have a team and Penn seems to have no desire to reenter into the hockey arena. I don't know how the market is in Philly, but Columbia would have very little market in NYC. The fact is that NYC doesn't love hockey; they have a small number of dedicated Rangers fans but NYC is a basketball city.

I totally agree with you, and even if Penn and Columbia had teams, I wouldn't want an Ivy League hockey conference. Football and basketball gets pretty boring after a while, and I assume hockey would eventually follow suit . But, objectively, I think the Ivy League presidents would want to stick together if both those schools had teams. I don't agree with it, but our administrations don't seem to like to co-mingle much with schools with significantly lower admissions standards- in football, most teams schedule all the non-league games against Patriot League teams, which have similar admissions standards to the Ivies. But, unless there is a regional rivalry (UNH-Dartmouth and URI-Brown), they don't schedule too many games against teams from conferences that don't put as much emphasis on academics. It's pretty dumb.

kdiff77
11-21-2009, 01:36 PM
well there are six teams. so you can have back-to-back weekends at each rink for 20 league games (5x4), then free up 2 new OOC games for your ivy 29 regular season'ers.

with the 2 new OOC you could set up new, old matches with the remaining ecac teams if you want.

the other ecac teams want to play a full schedule, let them. the 6 left could take 2 off the aha+rmc/niag 12 -- or more if there are teams that want to go bigger than the traditional aha charter. either way, if hea wants to go to a 9x2 regular season, there are a lot of local OOC games that are suddenly free to cross schedule.

i would have interest in an ivy hockey league. great tradition. great old programs. i'd go watch.


I'd love to see more OOC games, and maybe more emphasis on the Ivy League games as opposed to games vs the other ECACs (the Ivy League Championship is pretty much just for show; I don't think anyone really take sit too seriously), but I, for one, would definitely not want to see and Ivy ONLY league in hockey. As I sort of alluded to in my last post, in football and basketball, the Ivy teams have become obsolete (this is not so in soccer in lacrosse, but it is my understanding that most soccer and lax players are generally smarter than football and basketball players anyway- I recall reading this somewhere, but I'm not exactly sure where). I can't imagine we would remain relevant for very long if we started our own conference. It would definitely be interesting, but:

A. I wouldn't want to play the same teams 4 times a year.
and
B. As I said, we would become obsolete.

FireKnight
11-21-2009, 03:36 PM
I totally agree with you, and even if Penn and Columbia had teams, I wouldn't want an Ivy League hockey conference. Football and basketball gets pretty boring after a while, and I assume hockey would eventually follow suit . But, objectively, I think the Ivy League presidents would want to stick together if both those schools had teams. I don't agree with it, but our administrations don't seem to like to co-mingle much with schools with significantly lower admissions standards- in football, most teams schedule all the non-league games against Patriot League teams, which have similar admissions standards to the Ivies. But, unless there is a regional rivalry (UNH-Dartmouth and URI-Brown), they don't schedule too many games against teams from conferences that don't put as much emphasis on academics. It's pretty dumb.

That's why the Ivies are a perfect fit in the ECAC. RPI, Clarkson, Colgate and Union maintain high academic standards and SLU likes to think it's a prestigious university (although we all know mommy and daddy can buy you a degree there :p ). I don't know enough about Quinnipiac to say one way or the other but I know some discussion posts in the past here relate they'd be a better fit in the Hockey East.

FlagDUDE08
11-21-2009, 03:47 PM
That's why the Ivies are a perfect fit in the ECAC. RPI, Clarkson, Colgate and Union maintain high academic standards and SLU likes to think it's a prestigious university (although we all know mommy and daddy can buy you a degree there :p ). I don't know enough about Quinnipiac to say one way or the other but I know some discussion posts in the past here relate they'd be a better fit in the Hockey East.

Well put, Fire. Our teams may not necessarily win a national championship, but a few years down the road we do want fries with that. Granted RIT and Canisius may not get in anytime soon, but we're definitely superior to the other leagues in the classrooms, where it really counts.

thebleedenator
11-21-2009, 04:18 PM
Well put, Fire. Our teams may not necessarily win a national championship, but a few years down the road we do want fries with that. Granted RIT and Canisius may not get in anytime soon, but we're definitely superior to the other leagues in the classrooms, where it really counts.

wow... apparently someone's sh__ doesn't stink. :rolleyes:

Bomber
11-21-2009, 06:28 PM
wow... apparently someone's sh__ doesn't stink. :rolleyes:

And he typed that post with one pinkie in the air.

LynahFan
11-21-2009, 06:49 PM
And he typed that post with one pinkie in the air.Eeek. Just imagine if he'd gone to an Ivy... ;)

joecct
11-21-2009, 11:06 PM
Well put, Fire. Our teams may not necessarily win a national championship, but a few years down the road we do want fries with that. Granted RIT and Canisius may not get in anytime soon, but we're definitely superior to the other leagues in the classrooms, where it really counts.When your athletic department is awash in red ink, I'm sure that is a comfort. It is a proven fact that national championships lead to a rise in admissions.

mookie1995
11-21-2009, 11:09 PM
And he typed that post with one pinkie in the air.

however... it was still the stupidest thing ever typed in uscho history.

mookie1995
11-21-2009, 11:38 PM
A. I wouldn't want to play the same teams 4 times a year.
and
B. As I said, we would become obsolete.

a) this is not like it doesn't happen already. there are 4x meetings in aha, wcha, and ccha. the btb home nights adds a little something. bad blood after the first night. chance for revenge/redemption. chance to bring brooms to the rink :p . somehow i can see a lynah crowd having fun with this.

b) not in hockey. to be delicate - in football and basketball, those sports attract a student athlete that may not look for an ivy education and the requirements that go with it. hockey however has a person who is dedicated. who is used to getting up to get ice time at 6a as well as traditionally not looking to leave school after a year to go pro (or until recently straight after high school).

The Ivy League is arguably the greatest brand name in university life. why this isn't pushed to the extreme by those who have it available to them is odd.

justlookin'
11-23-2009, 09:38 AM
I doubt this will be the time and place for an announcement of age restrictions. But in my opinion, this subject is looming and will be addressed in the very near future. I believe the day of the 21 year old freshman is coming to an end.

With this new ruling, I expect some sort of eligibility to be taken away. So if you turn 21 in your freshman year, you will lose two years eligibility. I would guess all current student-athletes and signed LOI kids would be grandfathered and that we will see a change implemented by 2012 or 2013.

I don't agree with this idea but but I think the NCAA has this issue in its sights and will move forward on it soon.

Red Cloud
11-23-2009, 09:49 AM
When you're athletic department is awash in red ink, I'm sure that is a comfort. It is a proven fact that national championships lead to a rise in admissions.

I hope that was simply missing the sarcasm tag.

unofan
11-23-2009, 10:08 AM
I'd love to see more OOC games, and maybe more emphasis on the Ivy League games as opposed to games vs the other ECACs (the Ivy League Championship is pretty much just for show; I don't think anyone really take sit too seriously), but I, for one, would definitely not want to see and Ivy ONLY league in hockey. As I sort of alluded to in my last post, in football and basketball, the Ivy teams have become obsolete (this is not so in soccer in lacrosse, but it is my understanding that most soccer and lax players are generally smarter than football and basketball players anyway- I recall reading this somewhere, but I'm not exactly sure where). I can't imagine we would remain relevant for very long if we started our own conference. It would definitely be interesting, but:

A. I wouldn't want to play the same teams 4 times a year.
and
B. As I said, we would become obsolete.

:rolleyes: This whole post is full of fail on so many levels. I really hope the poster isn't really an Ivy Leaguer, because he fits the Hollywood/TV "Ivy Leaguer" character type to a 'T'.


I doubt this will be the time and place for an announcement of age restrictions. But in my opinion, this subject is looming and will be addressed in the very near future. I believe the day of the 21 year old freshman is coming to an end.

This wouldn't be something hockey does on its own; it'd be an NCAA-wide thing.

justlookin'
11-23-2009, 10:30 AM
:rolleyes: This whole post is full of fail on so many levels. I really hope the poster isn't really an Ivy Leaguer, because he fits the Hollywood/TV "Ivy Leaguer" character type to a 'T'.



This wouldn't be something hockey does on its own; it'd be an NCAA-wide thing.

Agree...NCAA-wide DI - DIII...and likely driven by the current landscape of DI and DIII college hockey.

bigmrg74
11-23-2009, 11:14 AM
This wouldn't be something hockey does on its own; it'd be an NCAA-wide thing.

That would never happen. There's a lot of schools that recuit a local athlete, but the kid goes and sign up for the Military for a couple of years and when their stint is over, they come back home and go to college, and a few of them will go out for sports like football, and basketball. Politically, denying those kids the right to go play for a few years is suicidal. The NCAA won't touch it, and you can pretty much just figure on any kid in D1 getting 5 years to play 4 seasons.