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STATEdude3
11-18-2009, 11:36 AM
I have attended 5 Frozen Fours including 2007 (St Louis) and 2009 (DC). This website was quite helpful in getting information from the locals in the months ahead as we planned our trip.

Now it is time for the fans from Michigan State, Michigan, and Bowling Green to step up and help college hockey fans from around the country as they come to our backyard.

In the upcoming weeks and months, I hope this thread will help you plan your trip, as similar threads helped me in the past few years.

From airport and travel info, hotels, venue info, and of course...local entertainment, I fully offer the resources of the local fans. Ford Field is literally out my front door...and I know there are about a hundred people on this board that live in the area, so please, let the questions begin! Detroit has been host to all of sports greatest spectacles over the last decade, and the Frozen Four will be the icing on the cake (pun very much intended).

Quick references..

www.visitdetroit.com
www.fordfield.com

alfablue
11-18-2009, 01:12 PM
Another good website:
http://www.insidedetroit.org/

They do some good tours of Detroit- interesting to see the remaining Art Deco architechture that is around Detroit.

For those of you who think there is nothing downtown, here's a list of +100 bars and restaurants in downtown Detroit and many of the very close neighborhoods (http://www.insidedetroit.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/downtown-neighborhood.pdf).

For the hotels, I will remind the govenment workers that the hotel rates for them in Downtown Detroit are very, very good. Probably better than the NCAA rates, so IF you are an employee, ask for the rate.

Come with an open mind- you'll have a lot more fun that way.

EZ Winner
11-18-2009, 04:58 PM
I am more concerned as to whether Michigan will still be open for business next March! :o

STATEdude3
11-18-2009, 06:08 PM
Sprts have saves Michigan, both literally and metaphorically. Since 2004 we have hosted the NBA Finals (twice), Stanley Cup Finals (twice), Super Bowl, World Series, MLB All Star Game, Ryder Cup, and the NCAA Final Four.

We dont have the best economy, or the greatest looking cities...but please judge us by the quality of the people you meet, as I am sure you will be greatly surprised. Michigan is alive and strong thanks in part to our great sports tradition, and we are ready to host the college hockey world.

bsubuffs33
11-18-2009, 08:21 PM
The Bemidji State Beavers are working hard for a return trip. The gopers were not the test, that will come in Grand Forks ND next weekend when we play Miami OH and OSU. Last year the team celebrated when they made the frozen four this year the goal is much higher and I hope to be there cheering them on. GO BEAVERS!

slyhippo
11-18-2009, 08:36 PM
The Bemidji State Beavers are working hard for a return trip. The gopers were not the test, that will come in Grand Forks ND next weekend when we play Miami OH and OSU. Last year the team celebrated when they made the frozen four this year the goal is much higher and I hope to be there cheering them on. GO BEAVERS!

It's amazing what 2 wins in the national tournament will do isn't it? Yes or no is Sunday's game the first time the Beavers have won at the Mooch?

Either way I'm happy Detroit and the state Michigan is getting these type of events.

The Hallucination
11-18-2009, 08:56 PM
We dont have the best economy, or the greatest looking cities...but please judge us by the quality of the people you meet, as I am sure you will be greatly surprised. Michigan is alive and strong thanks in part to our great sports tradition, and we are ready to host the college hockey world.

While I appreciate the offers of help planning a trip, I hope you realize getting people very excited about this year's FF is a tough sell. It's not so much traveling to the state of Michigan that is a problem; it may not be my favorite, but I've enjoyed trips to Lansing & Ann Arbor for the college hockey showcase before. Selling us on Detroit is a little tougher, but where you're really fighting an uphill battle is the venue- it's a freaking football stadium, and there's an awful lot of people who aren't too thrilled to be watching a hockey championship in a football stadium. I'll be there with the family as usual, but we're all sort of feeling like it's more an obligation not to break our attendance streaks more than something we're really looking forward to this year.

All that said, anyone have thoughts on what suburb/not-too-far-away city that would be reasonable to stay in and not a bad drive to Ford Field? My parents usually make the reservation for them, us [adult] kids, and my grandparents, but my mom's determined everything near the arena is booked, overpriced, requiring upfront payment, or some combination of the three... and since we're not sold on Detroit, we're probably looking to stay elsewhere and just drive in for the games.

Arwen22266
11-18-2009, 09:20 PM
I am more concerned as to whether Michigan will still be open for business next March! :o

Michigan will be open for business, and if you come here you will have a fine time :)

Arwen22266
11-18-2009, 09:28 PM
All that said, anyone have thoughts on what suburb/not-too-far-away city that would be reasonable to stay in and not a bad drive to Ford Field? My parents usually make the reservation for them, us [adult] kids, and my grandparents, but my mom's determined everything near the arena is booked, overpriced, requiring upfront payment, or some combination of the three... and since we're not sold on Detroit, we're probably looking to stay elsewhere and just drive in for the games.

If you have all of your ID in order, consider going to Windsor. The drive across the border isn't long, and there are lots of hotel options near the tunnel or bridge. Besides, the exchange rate is usually at least a little in our favor. One option, if you are the B & B sort: http://www.kirksbandb.com

There really isn't anything else close by to downtown Detroit, IMO :(

bsubuffs33
11-18-2009, 09:29 PM
[QUOTE=slyhippo;4471403]It's amazing what 2 wins in the national tournament will do isn't it? Yes or no is Sunday's game the first time the Beavers have won at the Mooch?

Whats amazing is someone could still talk trash about the gophers vs. Beavers after Sundays game. How many goalies did the gophs play?

Its pretty hard to gage a win against a program when its in one of their first couple of years in D1 like the last time they played. Yes or No who played @ Northern Michigan tougher the Beavers or #1 rated Miami?

Yes or No did Air Force play well in last years Tourney whom the Beavers swept this year convincingly?

You Rodents keep claiming we haven't played anyone when we have and still have an above .500 record against quality teams.

Cant say the same about the gophs can you....

STATEdude3
11-18-2009, 10:14 PM
I agree that detroit will be a tough sell...but let me say this: Detroit is one of the oldest cities in the country. If you like history, we have that...including The Henry Ford/Greenfield Village, America's greatest history attraction.

We have top level art museums, science center, library system, and culture galore. We have the highest grosssing theater in the nation (outsells radio city music hall). The Eastern Market district of the city is the larget urban parmers market in the nation, and april is one of the most exciting times there. There is plenty to do here...but people have to come judging us by what they experience,not the size of our buildings or what they hear on the news.

As for the venue and the frozen four itself...I do not know any specific details, but I do know that the frozen four festival that accompanies this years event is going to be the largest yet. I know people working on various productions and I really think this will be beyond anything experienced at frozen fours of the past.

Ford Field is widely considered one of the top stadiums in the NFL. It has hosted top concerts, wrestelmania, and other high profile events. Having attended the Final Four this past April I promise you that they will spare absolutely no expense in providing the best experience possible. Although the venue may not appease everyone, at worst the event willl draw some much needed attention to the game we love.

Oh and as for nearby suburbs...look at Roseville. It is located Northeast of the city with a dozen hotels and all the stuff that goes along with dull suburbia. It is 10 miles to Ford Field, about a 15 minute drive.

mookie1995
11-18-2009, 10:17 PM
i was considering the ritz carlton in dearborn.

yay, or nay?

pgb-ohio
11-18-2009, 10:57 PM
I agree that detroit will be a tough sell...but let me say this: Detroit is one of the oldest cities in the country. If you like history, we have that...including The Henry Ford/Greenfield Village, America's greatest history attraction.I'm going to reserve judgement on the #1 ranking until I visit, but Greenfield Village is definitely on my group's wish list.

We're considering staying at or near Greenfield Village, then driving into the city for the games. With that in mind, does anyone have hotel recommendations?

BTW, our group's research is consistent with what The Hallucination reports -- the deals downtown just aren't attractive. We had originally intended to stay at the Hilton Garden Inn a block away from Ford Field. We really wanted that to work. Rooms were available, but we just couldn't accept the deal offered.

I'm guessing that many others have had similar experiences. As such, any and all suburban lodging recommendations will be much appreciated. The Roseville comment is a good start. Any other thoughts or recommendations?


Come with an open mind - you'll have a lot more fun that way.Agree 100%.:cool:

manurespreader
11-19-2009, 06:17 AM
i was considering the ritz carlton in dearborn.

yay, or nay?

A good choice too. near to the mall. A nice hotel, and safe neighborhood. also near Fairlane, Henry Ford's home, which you can tour.
I'd vote for Windsor also, unless you want to drive 30 minutes and then there are some other good options, but within closer drive time windsor/ Dearborn are the best.

Arwen22266
11-19-2009, 07:12 AM
A good choice too. near to the mall. A nice hotel, and safe neighborhood. also near Fairlane, Henry Ford's home, which you can tour.

The historic Dearborn Inn, now a Marriott property, is reporting a pre-pay rate of $90 per night and a leisure rate of $129. It's pretty much next door to Greenfield Village.

alfablue
11-19-2009, 07:44 AM
All that said, anyone have thoughts on what suburb/not-too-far-away city that would be reasonable to stay in and not a bad drive to Ford Field? My parents usually make the reservation for them, us [adult] kids, and my grandparents, but my mom's determined everything near the arena is booked, overpriced, requiring upfront payment, or some combination of the three... and since we're not sold on Detroit, we're probably looking to stay elsewhere and just drive in for the games.

At least check downtown. The square mile of downtown is pretty empty in terms of really nasty blight, and rooms are not all that obnoxious. All of them are owned by large companies, so you can make the reservation, and cancel by 4pm THAT DAY. We've done that a few times. Before assuming it's bad, check.

I work in Dearborn- currently next to the Inn, and previously next to the ritz- I would stay in Detroit. Unless you really like malls (I don't) or plan on 100% focus on the Henry Ford, there's really nothing to do here, either.

I live in Ann Arbor, and will be staying downtown for the FF.

For the event, I do understand that Ford Field isn't doing any favors, but I think the point of this thread is to point out the other things to do and see in Detroit. Yes, there are a lot of problems, but where all of the Frozen Four will be taking place, it's pretty nice. You'll be able to take in a Tigers game, and Comerica Park is RIGHT NEXT to Ford Field. I'm sure there will be some shows at the various theaters downtown, and some good exhibitions at the Detroit Institute of Arts up town some.

Between the Ren Center- Marriott, Book Cadilac, Fort Shelby, Etc- there are a lot of good hotel rooms downtown. Each of them have a good restaurant to eat at, too. Some great local Beer places- ones that we've walked to at 1am without issue.

Here's the current slogan- "Detroit- not as bad as you think!" If I can get some of you past that, perhaps you'll see it more like Mrs Alfa and I do.

STATEdude3
11-19-2009, 08:18 AM
For those that like statistics, crime in downtown Detroit is on par with that of downtown Traverse City, MI...and is actually safer per capita than downtown Chicago.

As for lodging...I have stayed at all of the downtown hotels, and the best value BY FAR is greektown casino. Their regular rate, which should be in effect for Frozen Four week is $99/night with free parking. The rooms are top notch, with the best views of the city. If you want to be in the middle of everything forget about the suburbs and take a chance on the city.

Suburbs based on convenience:
1. Dearborn
2. Roseville
3. Southfield
4. Troy
5. Farmington Hills

pgb-ohio
11-19-2009, 09:47 AM
At least check downtown. The square mile of downtown is pretty empty in terms of really nasty blight, and rooms are not all that obnoxious. All of them are owned by large companies, so you can make the reservation, and cancel by 4pm THAT DAY. We've done that a few times. Before assuming it's bad, check.Agreed that anyone with a possible interest should check. For the results of a check that didn't go so well, see below. But it's certainly possible that by broadening the search just a little, more favorable terms could be found.


I work in Dearborn- currently next to the Inn, and previously next to the ritz- I would stay in Detroit. Unless you really like malls (I don't) or plan on 100% focus on the Henry Ford, there's really nothing to do here, either.Well, one strategy is to stay close to what you'll be doing on the off day. Reducing the commute on Friday cancels out some of the additional driving on Thursday & Saturday.

Side note to Arwen: Appreciate the info on Dearborn Inn and will check out the possibility.


I live in Ann Arbor, and will be staying downtown for the FF...Believe it or not, one member of our group proposed staying in Ann Arbor, rather than touching anything in Metro Detroit. I should point out that our travel group is pretty far flung, including residents of both the NE and the Upper Midwest. Naturally some aren't very familiar with the cities in the CCHA area. The point being that some of the sales resistance to the city is understandable, even if not entirely reasonable.

Also, truth be told, staying in AA would have some advantages. After all, the Posters' Game will be there.;) But visitors should give downtown a chance, even if they decide to lodge outside of the city limits.



...Between the Ren Center- Marriott, Book Cadilac, Fort Shelby, Etc- there are a lot of good hotel rooms downtown. Each of them have a good restaurant to eat at, too. Some great local Beer places- ones that we've walked to at 1am without issue.I know what you're saying. Personally I've stayed at the Ren Cen and a couple of other downtown locations, always with good results.

But I can tell you right now, no amount of evidence is going to persuade someone new to Detroit to agree to that 1:00 AM walk.

And that may be the essence of my buddy's search results. The places he was defining as within "safe walking distance" of Ford Field had raised their prices into the stratosphere, were demanding full payment up front, or other such onerous terms.

My take is that it's better to book something that whole group is comfortable with -- in terms price, safety, the works. Then, once you've got 'em at the tournament, you can introduce them to the selling points of the area.

alfablue
11-19-2009, 11:33 AM
I still think people put "fear" too high on the list of criteria. Well, unless you felt fearful in DC last year....

This is the closest hotel by far- http://www.hiltongardeninn.com/en/gi/hotels/index.jhtml?ctyhocn=DETDHGI

Not sure if they have any rooms left, now, but it IS an hilton. It's less than 2 blocks from Ford Field.

All the other hotels that are mainstream downtown are near a People Mover Stop, so it's not too hard to move around.

My parents will probably stay at our house for the weekend, too- so it's not like nobody will be in Ann Arbor for the Frozen Four. We just like staying downtown.

I was considering booking a large group walking tour for anyone interested- the Inside Detroit group does them from the Compuware Center area- Campus Martius- and they do last for a few hours. And we are hoping to convice the group who installs the rink at Campus Martius to keep it going, assuming that we don't get a massive heat wave, for the Frozen Four.

Still, my real point is don't be afraid of Downtown. The square mile is not bad at all.

STATEdude3
11-19-2009, 11:41 AM
I do not know for sure, but I have heard from others that the rink will be up through the Frozen Four weekend. Last year the rink was closed 2 weeks early though because of weather...I hope that is not the case this year.

I love going for a 30 minute skate on my lunch break. The ice there is extremely well maintained for all the traffic it gets. I think it would be a big hit for the ff.

check out the rink here... www.campusmartiuspark.org/webcam.htm