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Ralph Baer
11-07-2009, 08:11 PM
The dreaded North Country trip. :eek:

fr joe
11-07-2009, 08:16 PM
RPI goes north 2-0 in the league. At this moment, Union is 3-2 over Yale with 9:00 left in the 3rd.

burgie12
11-07-2009, 08:18 PM
We've earned at least a point each of the past 5 years. We swept back in 04-05. Last year was crazy with an awesome win at St. Lawrence and a very disappointing loss at Clarkson that probably turned the tide for the season.

Clarkson got burned with a 0-point weekend in their visit to Q and NJ. They'll come out on fire on Friday, no doubt. A quick goal to silence the crowd will be crucial.

I'll wait til the Friday game comes to pass before offering insight to our game against the Saints.

DrDemento
11-07-2009, 08:20 PM
The North Country Trip will tell us a lot about this team. Great momentum going in-just have to avoid getting into a penalty filled game up there. We have only swept the 2 games up there 3 or 4 times in over 50 years-Go Red!

StayPuftMMcu
11-07-2009, 09:46 PM
Well, here's the scoop. Clarkson is 3-0-0 at home, 0-6-0 on the road. If you want to beat them, just escape the first period either tied or leading -- they are abysmal in the 2nd (5 gf, 15 ga) and about even in the 3rd (7 gf, 8ga not counting ENG).

Hopefully they can drum up some home cooking. I listened to Quinnipiac and watched most of the Princeton game, and they are a team that generates tons of chances. If Clarkson can bury some early ones and avoid the stupid costly turnovers (resulted in 2 SHG vs Q, 1 breakaway goal vs P), you've got a lot to worry about.

If you can generate pressure and get Clarkson to take some penalties, our PK is pretty awful right now too... 78% is just not going to cut it. Ever. In any league.

DrDemento
11-08-2009, 07:05 AM
Well, here's the scoop. Clarkson is 3-0-0 at home, 0-6-0 on the road.

Hopefully they can drum up some home cooking.

I wonder-does any of this have to do with home town reffing? Clarkson always seemed to get the benefit of the doubt at home from the refs in the past.

vicb
11-08-2009, 07:13 AM
I wonder-does any of this have to do with home town reffing? Clarkson always seemed to get the benefit of the doubt at home from the refs in the past.

Well you should hope that Clarkson has pleny of PP's as they can't put the puck in the ocean while standing on the pier on their PLP (Power Less Play) as we call it now a days.

Team is very frustrating. The coaches vote said this was an 11th place team. Right now they are spot on :( .

Red Cloud
11-08-2009, 08:16 AM
I wonder-does any of this have to do with home town reffing? Clarkson always seemed to get the benefit of the doubt at home from the refs in the past.

Some of it can partially be chalked up to the opponents - St. Lawrence (throw out the records), RIT (0-fer outside AHA), and Niagara (0-fer period, although in their defense they've had a rough early schedule and all of one home game). But none of that should matter on Friday. Games at Cheel always require a lot of grind by the visitors.

StayPuftMMcu
11-08-2009, 09:02 AM
Here's the real story -- special teams.

Home (including exhibition vs Toronto):
PP: 4/16, 25% (8/28, 28.5%)
PK: 13/15, 86.7% (26/28, 92.8%)

Away:
PP: 5/39, 12.8%
PK: 30/40, 75%

A good chunk of those special teams numbers come from a horrible PK showing at MSU over the weekend (11/16, 68.8%), and a rough night at UMD last Saturday (11/15, 73.3%). This weekend's PK (3/4, 75%) is still bad, but at least we took fewer penalties? The power play this weekend was 1/9, 11% with 2 SHG allowed. Personally it sounds to me like one may not have happened with Rufenach in the lineup -- rumor has it that we were running a 5 forward PP when the shorties were scored.

But then you look at the numbers from Cheel and swear this team can't be that bad. The power play definitely generates a lot of chances, they just didn't bury any key goals this weekend. I don't like the new defensive strategy of allowing shots from the outside in order to limit grade A chances -- we're giving up 3.3 goals a game and like 35 shots a game as well. Those long shots are going to take deflections and tips and bite us.

Clarkson hasn't had the benefit of any doubts this season, Dr Demento. We're like 2-for-11 or worse in goal/no-goal referee decisions this year.

DrDemento
11-08-2009, 11:33 AM
Here's the real story -- special teams.

Home (including exhibition vs Toronto):
PP: 4/16, 25% (8/28, 28.5%)
PK: 13/15, 86.7% (26/28, 92.8%)

Away:
PP: 5/39, 12.8%
PK: 30/40, 75%

A good chunk of those special teams numbers come from a horrible PK showing at MSU over the weekend (11/16, 68.8%), and a rough night at UMD last Saturday (11/15, 73.3%). This weekend's PK (3/4, 75%) is still bad, but at least we took fewer penalties? The power play this weekend was 1/9, 11% with 2 SHG allowed. Personally it sounds to me like one may not have happened with Rufenach in the lineup -- rumor has it that we were running a 5 forward PP when the shorties were scored.

But then you look at the numbers from Cheel and swear this team can't be that bad. The power play definitely generates a lot of chances, they just didn't bury any key goals this weekend. I don't like the new defensive strategy of allowing shots from the outside in order to limit grade A chances -- we're giving up 3.3 goals a game and like 35 shots a game as well. Those long shots are going to take deflections and tips and bite us.

Clarkson hasn't had the benefit of any doubts this season, Dr Demento. We're like 2-for-11 or worse in goal/no-goal referee decisions this year.

Thanks for this year's numbers-but I was referring to getting the benefit of the doubt over many past years-I have made the trip up to watch RPI Clarkson several times and it seems we take more penalties up there than any other place-even back in the mid 80's when we had no need to take them. Perhaps the refs have changed over the years and Clarkson does not get the home town cooking they used to? I think we also have gotten called more often than need be in Ithaca.:rolleyes:

Red Cloud
11-08-2009, 03:11 PM
I think we also have gotten called more often than need be in Ithaca.:rolleyes:

Well, we all know the reason for that.

Wicked Slappaahs
11-08-2009, 05:22 PM
...If you can generate pressure and get Clarkson to take some penalties, our PK is pretty awful right now too... 78% is just not going to cut it. Ever. In any league. I'm pretty sure we're capable of generating some pressure...:D

Wholin1
11-08-2009, 05:43 PM
If you can generate pressure and get Clarkson to take some penalties, our PK is pretty awful right now too... 78% is just not going to cut it. Ever. In any league.
You think you've got issues? Union's PK "improved" this weekend to 69.8%. :eek: We're going to have our hands full as usual up north.

engineerhockeyfan
11-09-2009, 06:34 AM
The North Country has never been an easy trip, but the teams seem to be a little more equal this year.
It was good to see RPI finally win a game they were supposed to win on Saturday night.
It is still too early to get excited about this year, but two solid performances up north will go a long way to getting the engineer fans on their feet at HFH.
On Friday, we finally started cashing in on our opportunities, if we continue to do that, we will be tough to beat anywhere.
Will we be getting Helfrich back for this weekend?

aweise
11-09-2009, 06:56 AM
You think you've got issues? Union's PK "improved" this weekend to 69.8%. :eek: We're going to have our hands full as usual up north.

Well, something's gotta give when Union takes a penalty at Cheel.

DrDemento
11-09-2009, 07:02 AM
The North Country has never been an easy trip, but the teams seem to be a little more equal this year.
It was good to see RPI finally win a game they were supposed to win on Saturday night.
It is still too early to get excited about this year, but two solid performances up north will go a long way to getting the engineer fans on their feet at HFH.
On Friday, we finally started cashing in on our opportunities, if we continue to do that, we will be tough to beat anywhere.
Will we be getting Helfrich back for this weekend?

I would not only like to see the HFH crowd get on its feet-I would like to see more coming in the door. Attendance has not exactly been sterling and this team deserves to have a full house cheering for them. If Jenny and I could travel 200 miles each way for so many games then why cant the locals seem to go a few blocks to the HFH? I know this economy sucks-but what better entertainment can you get for the cost of a ticket to HFH and seeing an exciting young hockey team come of age? Troy just does not offer any better entertainment.

Ralph Baer
11-09-2009, 07:05 AM
Troy just does ot offer any better entertainment. Especially since the Cinema Arts theater was closed. :D

TimU
11-09-2009, 07:06 AM
Some of it can partially be chalked up to the opponents - St. Lawrence (throw out the records) . . .

Well, sort of. Cheel's still a tough place to play, and Clarkson had a good game against SLU - special teams in particular. They've definitely played better teams on the road, but St. Lawrence's record shouldn't be totally dismissed. SLU hasn't played a really tough schedule, but especially when you consider the huge losses in talent and scoring to graduation, they've done very well so far. They're a better team than I thought they'd be at this point. The offense has been pretty good (though they need to finish better), and the freshman defensemen have stepped right in and contributed.

That said, neither NC team is going to have a great season. Clarkson obviously has a lot of things to work on. SLU still has a lot of new players, the goaltending needs to stabilize, and they're as vulnerable at home as they've been in quite a few years. And RPI looks to be getting better. 4 losses for the home teams are a possibility this week, and I'll be happy with 2 points any way we can get them.

DrDemento
11-09-2009, 07:57 AM
Especially since the Cinema Arts theater was closed. :D

I thought I was the only pervert who remembered that place! A long time before Internet Porn there was the Cinema Arts Theater.:D

Red Cloud
11-09-2009, 08:43 AM
Tim, I wasn't dismissing SLU as a team. It's just that I know better than to judge a Clarkson-SLU game by its score and the records of either team.