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GoBeavers
01-28-2010, 03:47 PM
At what wage, for how many hours a week, and with what hazards?
Then, what happens if there is someone more desperate than you who's willing to work for less $, work more hours, and risk more hazards??
Then, what happens if there is someone else who's even more desperate who's willing to work for even less $, work even more hours, and risk even more hazards???
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then someone will be happy to have work and the union workers can hold there signs.

Nate86
01-28-2010, 03:58 PM
Old news, post #830 :D

Thanks, My bad, should have looked up just a couple more posts

tnlong
01-28-2010, 03:58 PM
then someone will be happy to have work and the union workers can hold there signs.
and that's an example of a glib answer you might get from a Fox News Entertainment "personality" to a serious question

tnlong
01-28-2010, 04:08 PM
then someone will be happy to have work and the union workers can hold there signs.
I'll guarantee you that if you're the most desperate person willing to work the most hours for the lowest wage risking the most hazards, you won't be "happy" and you might be killed or seriously injured.

Nate86
01-28-2010, 04:10 PM
I'll guarantee you that if you're the most desperate person willing to work the most hours for the lowest wage risking the most hazards, you won't be "happy" and you might be killed or seriously injured.

I agree with that, but how's the pay holding up those signs? It's sure getting the BREC built isn't it?

Douglas
01-28-2010, 04:41 PM
Let's see here, the unions have kept American businesses competitive in the steel industry... oh wait; how about the textile industry... oh wait; how about the machine tool industry... nope; how about the auto industry... no again; and on and on... let's see how many jobs the unions have "saved or created"??? What was once necessary is now just an overbloated bureaucracy trying to save their own overpaid jobs. How can you possibly equate the skill required to throw a fender on a Ford to that of a college grad skill requirement with the associated costs of acquiring that education yet the fender thrower gets paid more. It certainly isn't because of his "value added" to the product. It's because they have certain businesses by the throat until they are finally moved off shore... besides, most of those people that would work in those extreme hazards you mentioned shouldn't even be here!!! I just couldn't resist...:D :eek: Now for the retort...

sunylong
01-28-2010, 08:36 PM
NU @ UAH: NU sweep
RMU@ BSU: split

and the purple eagles over canisius in bball!!!!!!! (on ESPNU)

The Right Winger
01-28-2010, 09:18 PM
Let's see here, the unions have kept American businesses competitive in the steel industry... oh wait; how about the textile industry... oh wait; how about the machine tool industry... nope; how about the auto industry... no again; and on and on... let's see how many jobs the unions have "saved or created"??? What was once necessary is now just an overbloated bureaucracy trying to save their own overpaid jobs. How can you possibly equate the skill required to throw a fender on a Ford to that of a college grad skill requirement with the associated costs of acquiring that education yet the fender thrower gets paid more. It certainly isn't because of his "value added" to the product. It's because they have certain businesses by the throat until they are finally moved off shore... besides, most of those people that would work in those extreme hazards you mentioned shouldn't even be here!!! I just couldn't resist...:D :eek: Now for the retort...Douglas ... LOVE IT! Hey, I gotta ask, was my email to you today inspiration for this or just moral support? :D :D :D :D :D :D See 'ya tomorrow at the VBC.

aka ... 5-hole

Spydey629
01-28-2010, 09:31 PM
Here's a comment that our PA contingent may appreciate. While looking at Wikipedia, I saw that Cambria County War Memorial Arena still exists and that the Johnstown Chiefs still play there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnstown_Chiefs
Has anyone here seen a game there? That would have been a great place for a CHA tournament! :eek:


J-town is actually my home turf. I grew up on Cresson Mountain, which basically splits the difference between the Flood City and Altoona.

The War Memorial is a pretty decent old barn. They renovated it a few years back, adding a 'party deck' at the Zamboni doors. They re-did the lighting and sound, which were in DESPARATE need of getting replaced.

Still has it quirks. Like the 'drop' to get on the ice from the locker room ramp.

Darn it TN, now I'm getting misty eyed from the memories. I'm going to have to go watch Slap Shot now, to fill in the old gaps in the memory. ;)

Spydey629
01-28-2010, 09:33 PM
Let's see here, the unions have kept American businesses competitive in the steel industry... oh wait; how about the textile industry... oh wait; how about the machine tool industry... nope; how about the auto industry... no again; and on and on... let's see how many jobs the unions have "saved or created"??? What was once necessary is now just an overbloated bureaucracy trying to save their own overpaid jobs. How can you possibly equate the skill required to throw a fender on a Ford to that of a college grad skill requirement with the associated costs of acquiring that education yet the fender thrower gets paid more. It certainly isn't because of his "value added" to the product. It's because they have certain businesses by the throat until they are finally moved off shore... besides, most of those people that would work in those extreme hazards you mentioned shouldn't even be here!!! I just couldn't resist...:D :eek: Now for the retort...

If this were a facebook status, I would click 'LIKE'. About a thousand times!!

GoBeavers
01-28-2010, 09:39 PM
Let's see here, the unions have kept American businesses competitive in the steel industry... oh wait; how about the textile industry... oh wait; how about the machine tool industry... nope; how about the auto industry... no again; and on and on... let's see how many jobs the unions have "saved or created"??? What was once necessary is now just an overbloated bureaucracy trying to save their own overpaid jobs. How can you possibly equate the skill required to throw a fender on a Ford to that of a college grad skill requirement with the associated costs of acquiring that education yet the fender thrower gets paid more. It certainly isn't because of his "value added" to the product. It's because they have certain businesses by the throat until they are finally moved off shore... besides, most of those people that would work in those extreme hazards you mentioned shouldn't even be here!!! I just couldn't resist...:D :eek: Now for the retort...

pretty much sums it up douglas.

The Right Winger
01-28-2010, 10:26 PM
J-town is actually my home turf. I grew up on Cresson Mountain, which basically splits the difference between the Flood City and Altoona.

The War Memorial is a pretty decent old barn. They renovated it a few years back, adding a 'party deck' at the Zamboni doors. They re-did the lighting and sound, which were in DESPARATE need of getting replaced.

Still has it quirks. Like the 'drop' to get on the ice from the locker room ramp.

Darn it TN, now I'm getting misty eyed from the memories. I'm going to have to go watch Slap Shot now, to fill in the old gaps in the memory. ;)Spydey, FYI - it was before your time but I used to watch the old predecessor Johnstown team (the Jets of the EHL) when they were on the road visiting our barn, the Clinton Arena. I got a chance to visit the Arena in November, first time I had been inside there since ... 1970? It had not changed much except that they actually had permanent seats and glass. When I used to go there, the seating was either just the concrete in the end zones or wooden chairs on the sides (which on occasion ended up on the ice when a fight would break out). And there was no glass along the sides, and only wire screen in the end zones. Those were the days! ;)

The place actually looked pretty good. And it smelled great - like a hockey rink should!

BemidjiPioneerSports
01-29-2010, 01:31 AM
Hi everyone,

Here's John's series preview story for BSU-Robert Morris:
http://www.bemidjipioneer.com/event/article/id/100015362/

And a video report link to BSU players Brad Hunt, Jordan George and Chris McKelvie talking about last week's sweep at UMD and playing Robert Morris this weekend:
http://www.bemidjipioneer.com/event/article/id/100015341/group/home/

Have a great weekend!

-Eric

tnlong
01-29-2010, 08:23 AM
Let's see here, the unions have kept American businesses competitive in the steel industry... oh wait; how about the textile industry... oh wait; how about the machine tool industry... nope; how about the auto industry... no again; and on and on... let's see how many jobs the unions have "saved or created"??? What was once necessary is now just an overbloated bureaucracy trying to save their own overpaid jobs. How can you possibly equate the skill required to throw a fender on a Ford to that of a college grad skill requirement with the associated costs of acquiring that education yet the fender thrower gets paid more. It certainly isn't because of his "value added" to the product. It's because they have certain businesses by the throat until they are finally moved off shore... besides, most of those people that would work in those extreme hazards you mentioned shouldn't even be here!!! I just couldn't resist...:D :eek: Now for the retort...

At what wage, for how many hours a week, and with what hazards?
Then, what happens if there is someone more desperate than you who's willing to work for less $, work more hours, and risk more hazards??
Then, what happens if there is someone else who's even more desperate who's willing to work for even less $, work even more hours, and risk even more hazards???
.
.
.
????

gfmorris
01-29-2010, 09:18 AM
I'm gonna start neg-repping people here in a minute. :)

The only union worth discussing here is the NHLPA. Discuss. ;)

GO BIG BLUE! Finally home hockey again. I'm wearing my Wyatt Russell jersey today.

GFM

gmann
01-29-2010, 09:42 AM
Let's see here, the unions have kept American businesses competitive in the steel industry... oh wait; how about the textile industry... oh wait; how about the machine tool industry... nope; how about the auto industry... no again; and on and on... let's see how many jobs the unions have "saved or created"??? What was once necessary is now just an overbloated bureaucracy trying to save their own overpaid jobs. How can you possibly equate the skill required to throw a fender on a Ford to that of a college grad skill requirement with the associated costs of acquiring that education yet the fender thrower gets paid more. It certainly isn't because of his "value added" to the product. It's because they have certain businesses by the throat until they are finally moved off shore... besides, most of those people that would work in those extreme hazards you mentioned shouldn't even be here!!! I just couldn't resist...:D :eek: Now for the retort...

I agree with your post.

My .02 worth. Unions served a great purpose back in the day when big industry had no mandates to treat employees with respect and dignity. Sweat shops, long hours, child labor, dangerous working conditions, low pay etc.

I have had numerous experiences dealing with unions and from my vantage point unions cause a rift within the company and have many more cons than pros. The creation of unions initially served a great purpose but now days unions are a resource drain and they have run their course.

gmann
01-29-2010, 09:46 AM
NU/UAH - split

BSU sweeps

beaverhockeyfan
01-29-2010, 10:24 AM
Ahhh, union discussion....

My brother in law worked for the Ford Plant in St. Paul for quite a while on the assembly line, putting block heaters on every 10th engine that came by. He always laughs about if you made to many mistakes, they would come up to you and tell you to go home and think about it for a couple of days, and it was paid. Granted, when you came back, your spot was gone on the line and you were back to "break coverer", but still, paid vacation for making mistakes. And as soon as someone else got told to go think about it, you took their spot on the line.

tnlong
01-29-2010, 11:05 AM
... The only union worth discussing here is the NHLPA. Discuss. ;) ...
Yes, or the NHLOA!
My problem is that I've gotten to a point where I just can't ignore flippant Fox News Entertainment-like sound bites that get tossed-out and have been embraced by many as simple answers to complex problems. Note that I'm actually a fiscal conservative and social libertarian. The far-right says unions are terrible and are the cause of all of our problems; the far-left says unions are great and would solve most of our problems; the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. I just recognize that there are valid points on both sides of most issues, and I'm unable to restrain myself from reminding those who make political commentary that, remarkably, everyone may not agree with them.
Yes, let's PLEASE stick to hockey!

Back check
01-29-2010, 11:22 AM
I'm gonna start neg-repping people here in a minute. :)

The only union worth discussing here is the NHLPA. Discuss. ;)

GO BIG BLUE! Finally home hockey again. I'm wearing my Wyatt Russell jersey today.

GFM

Speaking of goalies...did Talbot win his appeal ?